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Breaking 'The Rule' worth it??

Thankfully, I think my mood is improving today (I would like to point out, I feel my sadness is 90% related to a past-relationship issue, so I'm trying not to place all the blame on MDMA).

One aspect I don't understand though: I have read reports of people dropping 2 MK's/2 Partyflocks in the past, and people have no complaints of brainzaps. Considering that I have once previously in my life taken a large amount of MDMA, I'm curious as to why I got a few 'brain-zaps' this time, but not previously. Very strange!
 
JWills20 said:
Another case of 'Bluelight Syndrome'. You're fine, go out and enjoy yourself instead of spending time reading horror stories and looking for symptoms of 'damage.'
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you said it perfectly. thinking to much into it after very little use is just going to make you paranoid. in the years i and all my mates have been using mdma iv never seen any problems that were not resolved after a bit of break. and when i say problems i mean that they have been using regularly for months and are not having as good a time as they would if they had taken a break.
 
SilentRoller said:
Thankfully, I think my mood is improving today (I would like to point out, I feel my sadness is 90% related to a past-relationship issue, so I'm trying not to place all the blame on MDMA).

One aspect I don't understand though: I have read reports of people dropping 2 MK's/2 Partyflocks in the past, and people have no complaints of brainzaps. Considering that I have once previously in my life taken a large amount of MDMA, I'm curious as to why I got a few 'brain-zaps' this time, but not previously. Very strange!
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Yeah relationships are wank, I've never been as depressed or unhappy as I did immediately after a relationship. Best thing to do is get out and enjoy yourself with friends.

Regarding the brainzaps, firstly, we're not all the same. Secondly, there may different variables for each experience. For example, I've had nights where I've drunk a lot of alcohol and had a horrible hangover and others where I drunk a similar amount, but felt ok the next day. Theres a whole host of variables which might result in differential experiences. You might hydrate differently, sweat more, dance longer and feel more fatigue, less sleep etc etc.

The brain and mind are linked. I read a few neuroscience journals for my uni dissertation. For example, if something makes you feel anxious it induces a releases of dopamine and noradrenaline both into the body (causing HR increases, sweating, blood pressure etc.) and also into the brain. Perhaps the mere mechanism of worrying becomes a viscous cycle of neurochemical changes, exacerbated by MDMA's inhibition of serotonin production to regulate mood.
 
The reason why your feeling so down from your girlfriend is due to having lower serotonin levels... Thats what I meant by generally if you have no problems in reality you wont notice all that much post-MDMA compared to if you do, which you now do... low serotonin levels will make you super sensitive to the smallest of problems!
 
I was breaking the rules like that, didn't even take it too much though, compared to some, but a good few handfuls of awesome nights out over a year. And then serotonin depletion made me a weak depressed bitch and ruined my life for a whole year. I was pretty much suicidal for a while, and a little retarded, normally I've always been reasonably happy and have returned to such a state since I no longer take the stuff. I didn't even realize that it was the Mdma doing this to me until much later, in clear hindsight. Mdma to begin with is a big risk, in my opinion - if you are taking life seriously and want to avoid pitfalls - then you should NOT do this. Absolutely not. No exceptions, if you want to do the right thing for your brain. I mean your poor brain took a big hit just 4 days ago! Why so soon, when you have your whole life ahead of you to experience another roll? You are putting the experience itself at risk, as it can be ruined with excessive use, and then you will be barred by the cosmos from ever being able to enjoy it again, and not only that but your brain can get burned, and your experience of other completely different drugs can change for the worse, and your sober mind can just be assaulted with a plethora of side effects for which each individual has their own personal breaking point that is unknowable, it could be just a few raves out. You should avoid this pitiful fate, and athough you'll probably feel fine the days after your double roll, you will surely pay a small price down the road.
 
Mendo_K said:
Its a wierd one that, I get really bad sleep paralysis also, mostly after festivals like doing it 4 times in 4 days, or when I go to ibiza like 6 times in 8-9 days, it gets really bad near the end. When I close my eyes I can see almost a movie or event unfolding in the darkness infront of me, kind of cool.

The sleep paralysis is the worst, just as your about to doze of bolt upright like youve just been jolted, or really fucked up scary nightmares, when my eyes are open but my body is asleep and I cant move, and there is a nightmare of things going on around me and im trying to move my body but im unable. Thats when you know youve truly been caning it too much. Scary as fuck though, I had to sleep with the lights on for 2 nights, and even then i was getting horrible night terrors, thinking people directly outside my door and such.

I find brain zaps can be common even with just a low amount of usage, although no where near as much worry as this ^^.

Them kind of weekends are behind me though, doing it friday + saturday for months on end. Usually now its once a month or every few weeks, not because im limiting how much I take them like its controlling me, more of just what im doing. More sitting in the pub, bars etc rather than out clubbing every weekend.
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Just had to 2nd this.

The sleep paralysis and nighmare stuff, exact same for me.
Not so much at festivals (2-3days) but more when ive been in ibiza for a longer time (7days+)

Just remember having vivid nightmares, sort of half waking up from them but not the horrible feeling of dread and something being in the room with me. It was like i could feel and almost see something in the dark in the corner of my eye which i couldnt move to look (open but paraylised). Was desperatly trying to lift my hand to touch my girlfriend or shout something so she'd wake up and could wake me up out of that shit. Felt like took for ever but my arm eventually began to lift then must have came out of it. Woke up my girlfiend and she said the exact same was going on with her. We both kept waking but was so exhausted kept falling back asleep for it to all happen again. This happend thru the whole time in bed :!
One other strange thing was we were both pretty much having the exact same nightmare :?

Been using mdma for 14yrs now and that sort of thing has only happened to me 4 times and has always been when i've been taking it far too many times over a couple of weeks.
 
^ Yeah its scary lol Ive tried to get pick my hand up or to move and nothing happens, the worst thing is though your so tired you go instantly back to sleep and it happens all over again.

ive found valium does help it though
 
Happy to report I'm 90% back to normal :) Mood is still slightly flatter than normal, but that is probably due to the large amount of work I am currently doing for my final assignment. I've saved the remaining Nintendo's I have for a special occasion later this year (rest assured I shall only be taking 1...no more of this heroic dose bullshit. I have a new found respect for MDMA now).

On a different note, does anyone have any experiences or information regarding 6APB and SERT? After my last MDMA experience, I feel I would like to try something a bit different (and save my MDMA for really special occasions). I've done a couple of 5/6apb pellets a long time ago and had a pretty good time, although I would like to try 6-APB on its lonesome. Obviously, I'm aware 6-APB depletes serotonin etc, I was just wondering to what extent, as in my experience, I suffered no post APB depression or brainzaps...Saying that though, I never suffered from suicide tuesday or brainzaps from MDMA until I went overboard last week, so YMMV. Anyhow, now I'm pretty much over the relationship issue I had, I'm feeling a lot better, and I just wanted peoples opinion on alternatives for the future.

Cheers

SR
 
6-APB is similar to MDA, and should probably be treated as such- which means putting a longer break after 6-APB than you would after an MDMA dose.
 
Honestly I don't think 1 month is enough of a break for MDMA. Shulgin suggests 3 months at minimum to recover from MDMA use. If you decide to continue using in the future, I would highly suggest adhering to that. Also look into piracetam! Every user should have some!
 
As a side note, against my better judgement, I dropped half a Nintendo last night with some close friends to celebrate my last night of University. Whilst the experience was not particularly intense due to my previous heavy experience 2 weeks prior (Only time breaking the one month rule), I am happy to report that I feel as fresh as a daisy, with no lingering depression or brain-zaps to report. Obviously, considering my rather heavy month, I shall be leaving at least 2 months before any further use of any drugs. I just hope my less intense experience was not a sign of me losing the magic :(
 
SilentRoller said:
As a side note, against my better judgement, I dropped half a Nintendo last night with some close friends to celebrate my last night of University. Whilst the experience was not particularly intense due to my previous heavy experience 2 weeks prior (Only time breaking the one month rule), I am happy to report that I feel as fresh as a daisy, with no lingering depression or brain-zaps to report. Obviously, considering my rather heavy month, I shall be leaving at least 2 months before any further use of any drugs. I just hope my less intense experience was not a sign of me losing the magic :(
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Glad everything went ok, sad to hear a good Nintendo went to waste. More then likely your tolerance is just elevated that's all. Loosing the magic is a relative term, if you loose the magic it's bc the experience is no longer something new and or stimulating to you (...unless you have done structural neuro damage, which by your use history is highly unlikely). I feel like people loose the magic when they expect the drug to create an adventure for them instead of using the drug to stimulate a certain event or situation that is already pleasurable. Dont let MDMA be the only thing on the agenda when you dose. Just my .02 cents
 
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