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Television Breaking Bad

Prediction: While Walt will side with Jesse that killing the kid was wrong and Todd has to go, the main source of tension will involve the idea of disposing of the kid's body. They can't leave it there. Jesse will have a problem with the parents never knowing, not to mention throwing the body in acid. Walt, ever the pragmatist, will argue that the kid is dead and it doesn't matter, they simply have to clean up the crime scene in order to not bring Homeland Security on their ass.
 
nobody's killing Todd. For what? Moral justice?

Todd = professionalism. If you're gonna be a successful criminal, you'll eventually have to be like Todd. That is what Simone was getting at when she said "I thought you guys were professionals."
 
I honestly thought Todd might have been an undercover because of how close they featured him in the "last week on Breaking Bad" montage to Hank saying they were gonna keep constant surveillance on Mike. He's got a cop's haircut, and looks extremely clean cut. Also, him asking all those questions of Jessie and Walt made me kinda nervous, but him shooting that kid put an end to that theory, unless those trying to catch Heisenberg are breaking bad as well...but I'll say with confidence that he's no undercover. It's cool how the show leads you to pre-mature conclusions and then does a complete 180.

I don't think Walt would be in favor of killing Todd at all considering how well he handled himself during every phase of the operation, and he shows signs of intelligence and professionalism like numberman said. I don't even think Jessie would really want to kill him, just vent at him. He's kinda reminding me of Victor though, that doesn't bode well for him especially since Walt's dark reminiscence a few episodes back.

The other thing I noticed was how well the season opener set up the tone for the rest of the season. Jessie coming up with the magnet idea might not've seemed like much, though it got the job done, but this heist that he spawned was extremely impressive, and it came about in exactly the same way with Walt and Mike arguing and Jessie chiming in calmly. I loved how the plan wasn't really explained too well before hand, they just let it unfold before our eyes.
 
Nobody has mentioned yet why Todd was carrying a gun in the first place. To my understanding he was brought in as a semi-confidant to perform a task of physical labor. Why would someone only partially integrated into a scenario in which no violent conflict was even expected be carrying a firearm? Also, why would he have an initiative to kill a child who just happened to witness an activity whose inner workings he shouldn't even be particularly informed about? This is a behavior that you might expect from Walt, not the grunt brought along to help commandeer a water hose.

My theory is that Todd has to have had some unknown involvement with an interested party. The most likely candidate for that being Mike. The relationship between Walt/Jesse and Mike has been unstable from the beginning. I would hardly put it past Mike to install someone with whom he feels comfortable as an oversight in these situations. If this is the case I would definitely see it setting up an eventual schism between Mike and Walt, with Jesse's role as a third party, pseudo-protagonist only growing as he becomes increasingly disillusioned with both of them.

/extrapolated hypotheticals
 
Nobody has mentioned yet why Todd was carrying a gun in the first place...My theory is that Todd has to have had some unknown involvement with an interested party
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It was my understanding that Todd was simply under Mike's (or Saul's?) employ from the getgo. Also, whilst illegally withdrawing gallons of a methamphetamine precursor from a train, it might behoove one to carry one or more firearms.

why would he have an initiative to kill a child who just happened to witness an activity whose inner workings he shouldn't even be particularly informed about?
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I recall Mike saying something earlier in the episode to the effect of, "There are successful heists; and then there are those that leave witnesses."
 
That's a pretty brilliant insight. His clothes did evoke an similar image like Chris (Guy whose hit on Mike got properly foiled) or Mike in their hit-man garb, but, in a strange way, killing that kid really settled a lot of things in my mind about Todd. He's all business, period.
 
i also thought that todd was definitely a cop but not anymore. not that i condone the killing of children but...that was badass as fuck.
 
yea def thought he was 5 0. In last weeks episode when he tells them about the nanny cam and walt asks him what his name is, i thought this guy is going to be a larger part of something. killing that child was cold blooded, esp considering saul told walt that all of the guys working for the pest control company were just 2nd story burglars. and i did think it was weird todd had a gun on him. one more thing to mull over until next weeks episode.
 
batmanplaybaseball said:
Nobody has mentioned yet why Todd was carrying a gun in the first place.
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I figured his carrying a firearm and his using it had more to do with the conversation Walt and Jesse had with him when they were preparing for the heist. Jesse was going on about how this was a major crime and no one could ever know. Then Walt asked him if he could handle that (or something similar).

Jesse and Walt got all serious when they saw the kid, Todd was the last to see the kid, and then he eliminated any possible witnesses.

He definitely seems to be very comfortable with firearms though. So it does seem like something more than he brought a gun because they were robbing a train. The kid seemed like he was at a fairly distant range for someone to draw that quickly and fire a one shot kill shot. So even he doesn't have some connection to Mike, he definitely has had practice with firearms.


poledriver said:
I guess that spider is going to be of some significance, and do you think the kid is actually dead?
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I dont really see the spider being any significance, but I'm not sure. I didn't really think about it until you posted it, but it could be some kind of symbolism. Spiders catch their prey by catching them in a web. The kid caught the spider. The kid got caught within the web that Walt, Jesse, etc. have created. Then eventually Walt, Jesse, etc. will get caught in the web that the DEA has been weaving.
 
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Also,

Combo: killed right by to train tracks

Tomas: killed close to train tracks

Train tracks bode poorly for Jesse, except for the drug dealers who killed Tomas who got killed near them them too (I believe they were on the opposite side of the same courtyard Combo was killed in).
 
rules said:
you really like the symbolism of train tracks, huh?
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lol. Just an interesting thing that came to mind, all these killings of people Jesse cared (positively or negatively) about by train tracks. One of the aspects of this show that I love.


And I find it hard to believe that Jesse won't seek to kill Todd. Even from Walt's perspective, the guy broke the chain of command. Unless Walt has absolutely lost touch with the one thing Jesse cannot justify and rationalize, the very weakness in Jesse that he exploited to manipulate him into turning on Gus, then Walt will side with Jesse, whichever direction he goes in. Walt may not care about the kid, but he should realize that Jesse is the most important person he has on his side.

Todd might make it out of the desert and until the end of the episode, but something has to happen to him if Walt and Jesse are going to continue on together. Jesse is a killer now, he isn't just going to vent.
 
chrisjeng said:
They showed ricin in an episode this year?
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that's what poisoned that little boy if i'm not mistaken. OH wait it actually turned out to be some plant. but it was originally thought to be ricin. also, they were going to try to use ricin initially on gus.
 
Actually Ricin was originally supposed to be for that crazy Mexican Meth dealer dude from season 1 and 2. What was his name again....Tuco! Loved that guy!
 
Carl Landrover said:
I dont really see the spider being any significance, but I'm not sure. I didn't really think about it until you posted it, but it could be some kind of symbolism. Spiders catch their prey by catching them in a web. The kid caught the spider. The kid got caught within the web that Walt, Jesse, etc. have created. Then eventually Walt, Jesse, etc. will get caught in the web that the DEA has been weaving.
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No, I believe the symbolism, message, or whatever of what was to come in the episode. That the Spider is just in his own world, minding his business and the kid happens upon him (spider). Kid captures him and the spider is most likely gonna die. Same thing goes for the kid....minding his business in his own world and just so happens to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, just like the spider. The eerie part was where the spider was actually released as a result of the kid being killed. Sooooo.....is that some kind of indication fo the Season??!?!? Hmmmm....:|
 
rules said:
that's what poisoned that little boy if i'm not mistaken. OH wait it actually turned out to be some plant. but it was originally thought to be ricin. also, they were going to try to use ricin initially on gus.
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*Spoiler Alert* I put it in NSFW tags so nobody sees it if they view see this post and they have not seen all of the 4th season of Breaking bad yet. I did post about Ricin and something else in the spoiler post though.

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Jesse's girlfriend's son was poisoned by Lilly of the Valley and that's why they had the close up of it in Walter White's backyard. When Jesse and Walter had that huge fight and beat the shit out of each other Jesse was correct that Walter did poison his girlfriend's son but Walter manipulated Jesse again and convinced him that Gus poisoned him or that somehow the girlfriend's kid had gotten the ricin cap out of Jesse's lucky cigarette in his cig pack.

When Jesse was in Mexico with Gus, Mike, and they were with the Cartel at the afterparty it looked as though Gus had spiked the highly expensive Tequila with Ricin he gave to the Mexican cartel leader that the cartel leader, Gus, and everyone else but Mike and Jesse. ALL of the cartel members died; but Gus it seemed had taken an antidode or something before drinking the tequila, and he got medical attention immediatley afterward.
 
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Gus definitely did not poison them in Mexico with ricin. The men in Mexico became sick and died very shortly after ingesting whatever poison it was. Ricin takes several days to kill the person.

Hypnotik1 said:
No, I believe the symbolism, message, or whatever of what was to come in the episode. That the Spider is just in his own world, minding his business and the kid happens upon him (spider). Kid captures him and the spider is most likely gonna die. Same thing goes for the kid....minding his business in his own world and just so happens to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, just like the spider. The eerie part was where the spider was actually released as a result of the kid being killed. Sooooo.....is that some kind of indication fo the Season??!?!? Hmmmm....:|
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You sort of just repeated what I said.

The spider didn't escape from the jar either. It had a lid on it.
 
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oops. sorry, new to this thread and using the spoiler tags. honestly though people reading the 60th page of this thread should have watched all the damn episodes. haha. and yeah, thanks for the person who corrected me on the ricin. wrong person being poisoned.
 
rules said:
oops. sorry, new to this thread and using the spoiler tags. honestly though people reading the 60th page of this thread should have watched all the damn episodes. haha. and yeah, thanks for the person who corrected me on the ricin. wrong person being poisoned.
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IMO, spoiler tags aren't necessary in this thread. Users browse the thread at their own discretion.
 
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