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Boyfriend troubles, please please help

Z-girl

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I feel stupid asking for advice to a relationship problem on a public forum but, honestly, I am at my wit's end and don't know what else to do, so here goes...

My boyfriend (let's call him P) and I (I'm a girl) met 18 months ago. He had just gotten out of a long distance relationship of 5 years, so wasn't in the place to get straight into another relationship. So for six months we dated, hung out, had sex and just got on great. During that time, I asked him once to not kiss/sleep with other people and he said he wasn't ready for that yet. So, being a fairly understanding person, I said ok. After that six months, I finally told him I needed to either be going out properly or call it quits, so he asked me to be his girlfriend. So now we're officially going out (and not seeing anyone else) for the past year.

Everything's been going fine - we've had ups and downs - but overall we were happy. Until, two weeks before Christmas, I found out something that he didn't want me to know. Just a tiny bit of backround: he runs a company with two friends of his, D (a guy) and J (a girl). J moved to our city about 8 months ago, a few months after P and I started going out properly. They knew each other for a while before that though, and were close enough friends. Even before she moved here I would see texts from her come up on his phone all the time, and since she's moved here she's been hanging around him a lot and they talk pretty much every day. I never really liked her, mainly because she flirts with him in front of me and takes all his attention and basically hangs off the boy. Being a normal, non-suspicious person, I just assumed she was an annoying girl and that my problem with her was ridiculous and I should try harder to like her, seeing as she is my boyfriend's friend. But I always had this niggling (...or more blinding) feeling that how she acts with him is just not right.

Cut to this party. The other guy in the company that I mentioned, D, drunkenly started talking to me. I asked how's work and he says, 'Oh you know the company isn't going to last'. I asked why, and he goes, 'J is in love with P'. Immediately my stomach just lurched but suddenly it all made sense. Unfortunately, D went on to tell me that P and J had slept together a month or two before we started seeing each other. P was, at this stage, gone to bed, seeing as it was bout 6am.

I went upstairs and confronted him about it. I asked him if he had ever slept with her and he wouldn't answer me for ages and then he finally admitted it. I asked him when it happened (thinking that I knew), and he said one month before we got together properly. So that was five months into us actually starting to see each other. He admitted he knew that she has feelings for him (which he has since taken back, but I don't believe that). We ended up having a huge talk, which basically lasted a whole two days. We agreed to not tell anyone anything for the time being and try to deal with it all ourselves, like a little team, us against the world.

A week later. I find out he's told one of his housemates, but D told me (again, not P). I have told noone, like I promised. At a party, he falls asleep and I read texts from J. I know I absolutely shouldn't have done this, this is by far the worst thing I have ever done in our relationship. In the texts I can see that he has told J, that very day, about the whole thing. I have deleted J off my facebook and she tells him in a text and he makes little of it. He says I love you. That's the last straw for me. I wake him up, tell him I read the messages and that we're through. We have a big fight, he tells me that he says I love you to all his friends (which, in fairness, is true) but still. After feeling betrayed already, that makes it worse. I ask him if he's told anyone else, now that there's two people who know. He says no. I push it. He still says no. Later, I push it again. He admits he's told another of his housemates.

Here's the kicker. I am a relatively understanding, rational person. I can accept that he slept with people during that first six months. I don't like it, but I can accept it. After all, I did agree that that would be ok. What gets me is that J has been hanging around all this time, very obviously flirting with him (and all that time I thought I was imagining it, and was some crazy jealous girlfriend) and they talk every day, and all this time I have not known. Nobody thought to tell me that this girl that hangs off my boyfriend has fucked him, on at least two occasions, one of which I was also sleeping with him. He lied to me three times about telling people about our issue. And the very worst part is....she's still hanging around. They still talk pretty much every day. They still have to work together. They still go for pints together (not alone, as far as I know, but still). They are still socializing together.

I have never once asked him to sever his friendship with her, nor would I. Similarly, I can't ask him to fire her. That's not reasonable. But it hurts so much to know that he's in daily contact with her. And that, if he had to choose, he would choose that friendship and working relationship over me. Maybe he has to, I understand that. But it hurts. And I'm afraid that if/when we break up, they'll be together straight away again. If he cheated on me with someone once, and then never saw them again, I could get over that, I really could. It would be hard, but possible. It's the fact that she's everpresent in our lives that kills me. And she will continue to be, because he won't choose to have it another way.

It's only been a month since I found out, but the hurt for me is not yet fading. I am finding it hard to trust him because of all the lies. I don't know what to do. I want to be with him because, despite this, he's a wonderful person, and is truly sorry for hurting me. But I don't know what to do so that I can accept that she's going to always be there. I want to deal with it, I want to accept it. I want to do these things so that my otherwise wonderful relationship doesn't suffer. But we are hanging on by a thread now, because of this. That's why I'm asking for help. I need an objective opinion and some real advice. Please help me. And thank you so much if you have read all the way to the end of this :)
 
Your instincts were right, but I don't think there's much you can do about it. Do you two live together? That would sicken me personally because in essence you have been sharing him with her this whole time. Only now just realised it, before you didn't know but had a strange feeling something was off.

Edit: My son hijacked the computer, sorry. I wanted to also say that your boyfriend knew what he was doing. He didn't just "fall victim" to this girl. He could have chose not to have sex with her and you don't know that it was only a couple times either. If it weren't for the other co-worker guy telling you she's in love with him, you would still be in the dark not knowing what's up with this annoying chick. Trust has been broken by him letting this go on. It doesn't seem like she's going anywhere. I wouldn't trust either of them now.
 
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I do not know how old you are, but please consider you deserve to be treated with love and respect by a great guy who only thinks of you at the end of the day. Don't give yourself up to a guy who wants to play the field. It's totally normal for guys to look, but looking is all they better do when in a steady relationship.

I joke around with the men I work with. (I'm a woman.) They are always oogling women and I smack them on the arm and say, ''I am going to tell your wife'' just for fun. One of them turned to me and said, ''I may be on a diet but I can still look at the menu.'' LOL

Hold out for quality.

It's just that.... well I think it is nasty to have several sexual partners at once. You don't know where everyone has been. Yeah he slept with other girls, but what sorts of other guys did those girls sleep with? Ewwww. It's just too big of a disease and STD risk.

You deserve much more. You're not just a chunk of human flesh designed for only pleasuring a man.
 
Yeah I agree, it sounds like it would be quite difficult to trust him now and to know what his intentions are or what may or may not be going on behind your back. Considering you've spoken to him about this numerous times and he doesn't seem to be apologetic at all or to even understand where you're coming from, if I were you I would start thinking about whether I'd be happier off without him :\
 
Jees what a saddening story :( All I can say from what I've read is that you come across as a lovely person who deserves miles better. As hard as it will seem to do get rid. He doesn't deserve you and you deserve much much better. Relationships are based on trust and I don't think you can trust this person. Believe me it will be his loss. Stay strong and i wish you all the very best but try move on coz as long as they're together it will only spell trouble for you and rip you apart :(
 
To me, the fact that he fucked the annoying bitch is besides the point. Y'all weren't together yet. What I see is that he lied to you-multiple times-when you asked him if he told anybody about your relationship problems. Maybe it's just the fact that I'm a very reserved woman and don't like people knowing my business, but that alone is a deal-breaker. I don't trust people anyways. I also hate people who don't keep their word; he said he wouldn't tell anyone.

Let's see: he's a liar, a blabbermouth, and he doesn't keep his word. Run!!!
 
Heres the thing. This advice may come off as slightly misogynistic, but really I am ust an optimist. Only you can tell if the scenario I posit is actually the truth. But at least consider the possibility that he lied to protect you, You say yourself that you weren't official when he slept with J. So that is a tough one to fault him for (although if he was the one saying "not now" its a different story). I just want to throw out the possibility that he truly loves you and he lied because he didn't want to hurt you, and because in the end the result is the same - he is with you, not J. Again, I am not saying this is absolutely the case, but think about it and see if it makes sense. Us males don't always think correctly in terms of when to be honest. I know I have lied to my gf, thinking I was doing the right thing, and found out later that it was absolutely the wrong decision. At any rate, good luck and god bless.
 
I agree ^ I think you should cut him some slack. If you care about other peoples feelings its easy to misguidedly end up in a situation like this, its only through mistakes like this that you learn not to get into these situations and learn honesty is the best policy. He has to learn that by handling it so badly he's really hurt other people.

So that's the past.

If you can over come your understandable feelings of hurt I say give him a chance to apologise and explain and ask what he wants for the future. But you have to ask him in such a way that he feels he can be honest. If he says he wants to stay with you and not her, believe him and give him a chance, but agree what is ok, and whats not. He's going to have to find the balls to explain and relay the groundrules to J, if you decide no 'personal' text, business only.

This can work if everyone is incredibly mature & pragmatic but its a very difficult situation. He should have stuck to the old adage, don't screw the crew.
 
I will start this by saying my opinion is slightly (aka totally) biased because I just got out of a 3 year "relationship," that sounds eerily like a longer version of your story. It was the same thing.. he was in a 7 year relationship before we dated, and the first few months were amazing.. but then all of a sudden he wasn't ready to commit, and wanted to do his own thing. I let it happen because we had mutual friends and activities, and I didn't want the situation to be awkward.. and truthfully, I didn't want to lose him, and I knew when it came down to him chosing me or that lifestyle, he wouldn't pick me, and that scared the shit out of me. So I never made him pick. 3 years later, I find out he's slept with MULTIPLE other people (most while also sleeping with me), and he's even gone so far as to bring them into daily situations where I feel forced to be cordial around them, because I thought if I wasn't, I'd look like the crazy, jealous girl. (I know I sound bat-shit crazy for sticking around, but the only way I can explain it is that I lost sight of myself- who I was and what I wanted).
I regret not walking away after the first time I found out. Letting go is a very, very hard thing to do sometimes. But your scenario sounds to me like he didn't have a one-time slip up. It appears to be calculated, planned, and not regretted on his behalf. As good a guy as you may be convincing yourself that he is (because he has to be, right? we would never waste so much time, effort and energy on a guy that wasn't, right?? wrong), if he truly regretted what happened and was genuinely taking your feelings into consideration, it seems like he should be trying harder to change the situation with her, and work harder in favor of your relationship.
Like I said, letting go is very, very hard. It can be devastating, heartbreaking and downright awful. It was the worst pain of my life. But I realized that I had to cut the dead weight to keep myself from drowning. And you can take people's advice, but at the end of the day, you're the only one that truly knows every detail of the situation and how you feel. People told me to walk away for 3 years, but until I was emotionally and mentally ready to, it was pointless. That being said, I think you deserve better - someone that will treat you with mutual love and respect. And whatever you decide, I hope it makes you happy, and good luck :)
 
So the one thing holding you back from breaking up with him is you know that he will be right back to her. In a sense, he already is, since they see each other every day. His housemates and co-workers all knew about this, leaving you in the dark. Consider yourself lucky that guy told you what was going on. You know she's in love with him. Why waste another minute with him? He's proven himself a cheat and a liar. You don't have to accept this! So you really think he will just tell her goodbye? I don't see that happening. I would get him out of my life and move on. It's not easy but you will gain your self-respect back and find a real wonderful relationship.
 
Ugh..this would be a horrible situation to fall into. Always trust your gut, girls. We girls can pick up on this stuff.

What kinda put me off and eliminated any sense of respect for the guy was that he told you he says he loves all his friends. Bullshit, man. He got caught and he should have just owned up to it. Now, you're just left with constant insecurity and no trust with this guy.

It wouldn't be so bad if he didn't have to see and talk to this chick every day, but just the fact that you know she's into him and they work together would put me in a funk.

I think you have two choices here and really you know him the best. You either save yourself the heartache now and cut it off or, if you truly feel like he loves you and slept with this girl before you were "official" (I mean truly...not what you WANT to happen, but what you really feel is the truth from observations), then you have to try to let it go and move on. That's not going to be easy at all, because it's not even like you can ask him not to see her. You have to put up with her.

Personally, I would get rid of this guy, because to me it just sounds like you're in for a bumpy, emotional ride in the future. Better to cut your losses and deal with the heartbreak now than deal with heartbreak *and* feeling like an idiot at the same time later.
 
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