breakyaself
Bluelighter
I fucking hate hippies, but I also hate the death sentence. I am undecided how much over the other as yet.
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Boycott Singapore - Van's unfair sentance
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breakyaself
Bluelighter
As in I am undecided which I hate more. excuse my poor grammar
plazma
Bluelighter
Fucking hell some of you people make me sick. Like others have said, joke's a fucking joke, but when you're belittling an unjust death, then you belittle everyone.
I've just gotten back from helping Amnesty set up a 3000 candle vigil in front of Parliament House, and I'll be heading back in an hour or so to help light the candles and shit. This is not just a protest at one man's death, but a protest at any legal system which can legitimise barbarity to such a degree, including both the USA and China as primary culprits, then hide behind a border and cry that it's their national right to determine their legal system. It was wrong fucking 60 years ago when the UN was formed and it is just as wrong now.
I have nothing further to add to the argument in this thread, because the people I'd attempt to argue with have had nothing of any remote intelligence to say for quite some pages, and its not like I have anything to actually say to them beyond that I hold them in the highest contempt for their arrogance, callousness, and lack of empathy, aside from the fact that as drug users every single one of us is culpable in this young man's death, regardless of what reason you attribute his actions to.
-plaz out-
I've just gotten back from helping Amnesty set up a 3000 candle vigil in front of Parliament House, and I'll be heading back in an hour or so to help light the candles and shit. This is not just a protest at one man's death, but a protest at any legal system which can legitimise barbarity to such a degree, including both the USA and China as primary culprits, then hide behind a border and cry that it's their national right to determine their legal system. It was wrong fucking 60 years ago when the UN was formed and it is just as wrong now.
I have nothing further to add to the argument in this thread, because the people I'd attempt to argue with have had nothing of any remote intelligence to say for quite some pages, and its not like I have anything to actually say to them beyond that I hold them in the highest contempt for their arrogance, callousness, and lack of empathy, aside from the fact that as drug users every single one of us is culpable in this young man's death, regardless of what reason you attribute his actions to.
-plaz out-
keystroke
Bluelighter
the only person culpable in this mans death is himself.
keystroke
Bluelighter
so it's the Singapore governments fault that this man strapped half a kilo of heroin to his body and tried to travel through their airport?
Beatlebot
Bluelight Crew
Oh come off it keystroke!
The Singapore Govt. has a choice. They do not have to murder a man in cold blood.
The Singapore Govt. has a choice. They do not have to murder a man in cold blood.
plazma said:
Well said Plazma
I agree with everything you've said,nice to hear you are protesting this issue.To add to the people cracking jokes about his 'upcoming Singaporean government encouraged death',they are belitting everyone,especially themselves.
In this case,to have your life taken away for one mistake is plain wrong.
If it's wrong for citizens to kill each other,it is wrong for citizens to be killed by encouragement of that government.I am strongly,against the death penalty EVERYWHERE.
KemicalBurn said:
You're clutching, obviously. You've had no problem at all being the cheerleader for Keystroke, and he's reached the point now where he's purposely making inciteful comments for the hell of it (eg. the jokes). It's obvious flamebait.
Your posts in this thread have been nothing short of a self-indulgent wankfest. I get your point; treating things scientifically means that you can detach yourself from letting emotion influence any factual stance on the subject. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but stirring up the bleeding hearts doesn't require much skill. Get over yourself.
Shnouzerpuff
Bluelighter
:D
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keystroke
Bluelighter
Beatlebot said:
funny that, the Singapore government had a choice years ago they made sure that anyone convicted of trafficking a large amount of heroin would be hung.
Van had THE CHOICE and he made the wrong one and now he is going to die. the only person that's at fault here, unfortunately is Van. The Singapore government aren't to blame because some 20 year old decided it was in his best interest to try and get 400grams of heroin through their country.
Nobody is debating it is his fault for bringing the drugs into the country. It was obviously unlawful. The point is the punishment is excessive, inhumane and completely out of proportion to the crime committed.
At 20 you expect a person to make mistakes. If he was a career criminal, not a first offender, then at least they would have a case (I will never support the death penalty). In this situation it is just abhorrent.
At 20 you expect a person to make mistakes. If he was a career criminal, not a first offender, then at least they would have a case (I will never support the death penalty). In this situation it is just abhorrent.
"If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
drEaMtiMe*@#
Bluelighter
keystroke said:
how? because firstly all of us have misconceived notions of ourselves, and therefore do things at certain points in our lives which will not be deemed as appropriate behaviour by many. furthermore if stupidity alone were a crime punishable by death the human race would have been extinct a long time ago.
he fucked up, yes. we all will do, so shouldn't that make you at least feel some compassion for this guy? and secondly, say "hypothetically" what you say is true that van has no respect for his own life. does that then give you the right to abuse his right at life because of this misconceived notion he holds of himself? just because there are people in this world who don't respect themselves as much as they should DOES NOT MEAN that you shouldn't respect them in turn either. if you have the ability to see things clearer than another person at any given point, be the bigger person for fucks sake and try and help the other person out as best as you can rather than condemning them for it.
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katmeow
Bluelight Crew
Despite the belief of some posters in the thread, everyone here has been given a fuckload of leeway, but this has degenerated into utter bullshit over the last few pages. So, I ask the following:
1. Personal attacks stop right here - posts will be edited and warned if necessary.
2. If you have a problem with a post, please report via the proper channels, or PM one of the mods.
3. If anyone feels the need to post further jokes relating to the subject matter please head on over to the sick and twisted jokes thread where they belong.
4. Take a moment to think before you post about whether the same thing needs to be repeated for the 3467th time.
-kat
1. Personal attacks stop right here - posts will be edited and warned if necessary.
2. If you have a problem with a post, please report via the proper channels, or PM one of the mods.
3. If anyone feels the need to post further jokes relating to the subject matter please head on over to the sick and twisted jokes thread where they belong.
4. Take a moment to think before you post about whether the same thing needs to be repeated for the 3467th time.
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CHiLD-0F-THE-BEAT
Bluelighter
I'm going to stand by my original statements regarding this issue...
I'm still of the opinion, as keystroke and others have also asserted, that it was his own fault he was caught and punished by the Singaporean government.
He did the crime. He does whatever time or suffers whatever penalty the goverment have in place for these cases.
That said, I could never pretend to say I am supportive of the death penalty. Not in any way shape or form, for so many reasons that have been posted.
To me, these are two seperate issues we're trying to grapple with.
1] A man's sentence to a crime he committed. As stated earlier, he did the crime. He pays. Case closed.
2] The abolition of the death penalty in all parts of the world. This needs to be addressed at a global level and widely debated. It's clear that it serves little to no purpose and does not act as a deterrant.
The two issues should be dealt with very seperately. In my mind [and apologies if this comes across as harsh or unfeeling] it's too late for Van.
That said, hopefully the world will take another look at this issue and decide once and for all this type of punishment in this day and age is quite simply not on.
Hopefully future lives will be saved.
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Doodle
Bluelighter
^ I have absolutely no comprehension how in one breath you can say this man should be executed and in the next you say you can never support the death penalty!
Contradiction?
Contradiction?
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