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I was thinking melb, with a short stop off at syd.

this is so childish i'm loving it, but what should i expect with my iq.

seeing both you guys are so "smart", why not attack my argument rather than my intelligence
 
what was your argmuent again? stupid people are their own race and when they get caught smuggling drugs we should give them a slap on the wrists because - gosh darn it - they just dont know any better?

and that subjecting them to the punishment as deemed fit by a government of another country is?

You want what exactly? You want Singapore law not to apply to Australians, even when they are caught there? You want to make exceptions to a law due to someones country of origin?

Now who fucking sounds like Hitler?
 
He shouldn't be executed and I won't ever go there if he is. My small part.
 
kb - i don't recall saying that. i don't wish for citizens of singapore to be subjected to that nations drug laws just as much as i don't wish for australians to, and i don't think too much of our laws either so forget the nationalist angle you're pursuing.

if you're going to add to your posts after others have already responded at least have the courtesy to acknowledge the edit.
 
oh and btw...

Genocide
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Genocide is the systematic killing of substantial numbers of people on the basis of ethnicity, religion, political opinion, social status or other particularity.
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i believe that excuses me for using the word genocide to describe the act of exterminating the unintelligent.

get over yourself and attack my anti-prohibition arguments instead of picking at petty shite. maybe if you get a dodgy pill that fucks you up you might see things my way. mod of drug culture? lol.

say what you will, i'm not wasting anymore time on your trolling. let keystroke fight his own battles.
 
silvia saint said:
kb - i don't recall saying that. i don't wish for citizens of singapore to be subjected to that nations drug laws just as much as i don't wish for australians to
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What gives you the right to tell another country how they should run things? I think its safe to assume youve never lived there, so by taking that stance you're now aligning yourself with Bush.

silvia saint said:
if you're going to add to your posts after others have already responded at least have the courtesy to acknowledge the edit.
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It was edited and saved in under 30 seconds :p
 
silvia saint said:
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i believe that excuses me for using the word genocide to describe the act of exterminating the unintelligent.
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I'm afraid it doesnt because by process of elimination there would only by one person left in the world (the smartest) and thus it only proves my non-descriminate interpretation. Upgrade your diction 8)

silvia saint said:
get over yourself and attack my anti-prohibition arguments instead of picking at petty shite. maybe if you get a dodgy pill that fucks you up you might see things my way. mod of drug culture? lol.
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You forgot Poland 8)
 
oh, for the people that said I'm a hypocrit for slamming heroin traffickers, when I have infact consumed drugs and frequent this site,

this site is about harm minimisation, I'm fairly certain no one here is suggesting users go out and smuggle a large quantity of heroin through Asia, because it's both STUPID and harmful. if you don't like one countries laws, because they may be too extreme for your likings - simple - don't fucking go to that country.
 
it's got nothing to do with the fact that this site has a harm minimisation focus, the people (including myself) who were pointing out the hypocrisy of your arguments were inferring that having contributed in some (however minimal) way the drug market in Australia yourself, it seems to be applying double standards, when you cite one of the reasons (see below) for wishing drug traffickers to be put to death that they are perpetuating the unregulated drug market, and the violence and other unethical behaviour that goes hand in hand with it!

keystroke said:
what would happen if this heroin got into australia, then someone broke into your grandmothers place, bashed her over the head to steal a hundred dollars to buy this heroin? would you still think he is not deserving of the punishment given?
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So what if the dealer you had bought pills off in the past granny-bashed someone to get capital to buy his lots? You would seemingly be just as responsible for society's ills? How the fuck do you know either way, therefore, how can you even dare to suggest that a universal law be applied???? :X
 
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keystroke said:
oh, for the people that said I'm a hypocrit for slamming heroin traffickers, when I have infact consumed drugs and frequent this site,

this site is about harm minimisation, I'm fairly certain no one here is suggesting users go out and smuggle a large quantity of heroin through Asia, because it's both STUPID and harmful. if you don't like one countries laws, because they may be too extreme for your likings - simple - don't fucking go to that country.
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Keystroke, the fact that site is about harm minimisation SHOULD (if you had the intellect to do a follow-through) lead you to think that then it should be opposed to ANYONE dying because of drugs, regardless of the legalities. After all, most people wouldn't make much definition between someone taking a shit pill and dying (because it must be their own fault, they were stupid enough to take it) and this young man in Singapore.

It must be marvellous living in your little monochrome world Keystroke, everything looks so much clearer in black and white. But you DO miss out on a little by viewing from that angle. Such as the fact that life is far from simple, and all you're doing is blinkering yourself to the other facets of this case (and life besides, from what I've seen of your thought patterns) by maintaining this black and white world view.

Silvia Saint: its a pity there are not more people like you.

-plaz out-
 
plazma said:
Keystroke, the fact that site is about harm minimisation SHOULD (if you had the intellect to do a follow-through) lead you to think that then it should be opposed to ANYONE dying because of drugs, regardless of the legalities. After all, most people wouldn't make much definition between someone taking a shit pill and dying (because it must be their own fault, they were stupid enough to take it) and this young man in Singapore.
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thats flawed logic and as a former mod you should have clued into it - because if that was the case (which its not) then we would be able to give instructions on how to smuggle drugs safely. and you know thats against guidelines.

Or, to help prevent meth-lab explosions, we would be allowed to open up the board to safe drug synth...which of course, you should also know is against the BLUA.
 
Mary Poppins said:
it's got nothing to do with the fact that this site has a harm minimisation focus, the people (including myself) who were pointing out the hypocrisy of your arguments were inferring that having contributed in some (however minimal) way the drug market in Australia yourself, it seems to be applying double standards, when you cite one of the reasons (see below) for wishing drug traffickers to be put to death that they are perpetuating the unregulated drug market, and the violence and other unethical behaviour that goes hand in hand with it!

So what if the dealer you had bought pills off in the past granny-bashed someone to get capital to buy his lots? You would seemingly be just as responsible for society's ills?
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Thats not how MDMA is distrubted...its alot cleaner than that. its a very tidy distribution compared with heroin. The likelihood that the pills you come across have have been near a "granny basher" are very slim. its just not that sort of drug. Even more unlikely is the idea the a person wanting to take some pills for a night out will assault someone in order to obtain money for thier.

You dont seem to fully understand the addiction associated with heroin :\


Mary Poppins said:
How the fuck do you know either way, therefore, how can you even dare to suggest that a universal law be applied???? :X
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But thats exactly what you yourself are doing. you cant compare the two drugs (pills and skag) because there are two entirely different cultures surrounding them.
 
KemicalBurn said:
thats flawed logic and as a former mod you should have clued into it - because if that was the case (which its not) then we would be able to give instructions on how to smuggle drugs safely. and you know thats against guidelines.

Or, to help prevent meth-lab explosions, we would be allowed to open up the board to safe drug synth...which of course, you should also know is against the BLUA.
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Of course, but as a FORMER mod, and the keyword there is FORMER, that doesn't mean that in any way I agreed with the BLUA in its entirety, because it IS half arsed (for legal reasons) in the way it approaches Harm Minimisation. I think that being a mod in The Dark Side may have given me a little perspective on the ways in which people get fucked up through the entire system, it also put paid to having a black & white moralist view of the world (if i could have ever contemplated one). I don't see that its flawed logic because you happen to make some kind of moralist distinction in line with the legal system on this issue. I see it as being as tragic for someone to die in a meth lab explosion as I do for someone to die from using an end product of the process. As end consumers we ARE responsible for the workings and the machinations of the drug economy, and as such every time you or anyone purchases drugs of ANY kind you're voting with your pocket and approving the system.

KemicalBurn said:
you cant compare the two drugs (pills and skag) because there are two entirely different cultures surrounding them.
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Yeah, keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night. It seems to be a standard panacea to assume that because MDMA is such a middle class lovey-dovey drug that there couldn't be violence and or conflict associated with its distribution, not like that nasty dirty heroin. While it might be true that you buy your MDMA off a white boy who looks as educated as you and all that shit, the fact is, up at the supply side, the distribution networks are nowhere near as separate as many would like to think, NOR are they as non-violent as people would like to think. The amounts of money involved ensure that this is opinion is simply ludicrous.

-plaz out-
 
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KemicalBurn said:
Thats not how MDMA is distrubted...its alot cleaner than that. its a very tidy distribution compared with heroin. The likelihood that the pills you come across have have been near a "granny basher" are very slim. its just not that sort of drug. Even more unlikely is the idea the a person wanting to take some pills for a night out will assault someone in order to obtain money for thier.

You dont seem to fully understand the addiction associated with heroin :\




But thats exactly what you yourself are doing. you cant compare the two drugs (pills and skag) because there are two entirely different cultures surrounding them.
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KB:

a) Of course I understand the addiction associated with heroin, but as I've said, you cannot categorically state that no-one has been hurt in the process for you (the biblical you) to get your drug, of whatever type. For fuck's sake, your ecstasy dealer may also sell heroin, or something else, or whatever, you have picked on a relatively insignificant point of my argument considering I was using MDMA as a common example of a drug that a lot of users of this site partake in for illustration's sake.

b) I am not the one suggesting that a universal law be implemented which absolves me (the biblical me) from any responsibility of the perpetuation of violence/unethical behaviour to do with drugs ---- because I haven't been caught smuggling heroin. WHAT i was pointing out is that I don't think that anyone from this site who has consumed drugs, has the right to condemn someone else for their contribution to this cycle. Hence - I am not condemning - comprendez-vous?

c) Pre-emptive - I have previously stated in this thread that obviously the guy acted stupidly - whether those actions were forced or voluntarily, I don't think any of us will ever know - hence i can SEE your point about Darwinism, and this isn't the point I take issue with. It was Keystroke's condemnation of people invovled in the drug trade that I took issue with.
 
i have one simple answer to this
and many f you will disagree with me on this one but

do the crime get court you must expect to face the punishment

its been the call for many years that is you try to traffic through south east asia and you get court then you will face the death penalty

he is not the first and he want be the last aussie to be killed for haveing a trafficable quantaty of drugs on him

its al well and good to want to have a good time but you must expect that when you travel you have to live by the laws of that country you are in not by the laws of your own country

south east asian countrys have these laws for a reason cause they have a big drug problem and dont want every tim dick or harry trafficing drugs through there country

so he tryed to get cemancy and failed well buddy time to face the music and face the punishment for your crime


now do i belive this is fair no dont but i have learnt long ago to respect the customs and laws of other countrys and although i may ejoy breaking laws myself i know that f i get court i have ot face the punishment for that i have done end of story
 
Mary Poppins said:
KB:

a) Of course I understand the addiction associated with heroin, but as I've said, you cannot categorically state that no-one has been hurt in the process for you (the biblical you) to get your drug, of whatever type. For fuck's sake, your ecstasy dealer may also sell heroin, or something else, or whatever, you have picked on a relatively insignificant point of my argument considering I was using MDMA as a common example of a drug that a lot of users of this site partake in for illustration's sake.
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I can say that, because im speaking of probabilites. people will of course get hurt from the MDMA trade, but its different than heroin. Its unlikely you'll get Hep C from a pill. Now, you can say "hey! WTF does that have to with anything?" - but its to help illustrate the nature of heroin addiction where one doesn tcare if their rig is clean and safe and that sahring needles due to lack of supply, or rummaging through bins trying to find a dirty needle (Im suprised Plaz wasnt clued into this side of the argument which what i was alluding to)

the physical and psychological addiction is different. Junkies have one thing on their mind, and one thing only - their next hit. Does that give an inkling as to what heroin means to their life and what they do to keep it in their life?
 
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