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Boycott Singapore - Van's unfair sentance

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^^^ Completely agreed... It doesn't matter how desperate you really are, there's no need to make a living like this. Look in the news papers, seek, mycareer, there's LOT's of jobs, hell I failed year 10 and I'm doing damn successful for myself. Even if it's just pizza delivery job, there's still PLENTY of things better than running drugs...

But each to their own...
 
It's all a terribly heart breaking situation, but it's just the way it is, he broke the law, now he has to face the punishment for it.

Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world and the reason behind that is that they don't fuck around like pussies (ie Australia, UK, Canada, most of the US) when it come to breaking the law, there's no grey areas, it's cut and dry.

And where the fuck is the title of this thread going?? Boycott somewhere because they aren't afraid of taking the hard line stance with something?? That's just pathetic really....
 
endlesseulogy said:
^^ One of these reasons why this is unfair is because he wasnt trying to smuggle drugs
into singapore.. he was comming from cambodia.. He was only in transit in Chani airport, therefore the drugs were never intended for singapore. The drugs were intended for Australia

Lets not argue details...the fact of the matter is that he was IN Singapore with drugs on his person, and he was caught. Whether he was importing, exporting, or as he seemed to be, passing through, doesn't matter in their eyes.

Again, i don't condone this young man being put to death, it's a terrible situation. :(
 
^^^ Well said...

No ones' saying he should die because of the person is 'is'... The fact of the matter is that he was stupid enough to do what he did. Yes he may have gotten away with it, however the risks of moving ANYTHING in/out of the asian countries these days is higher than the risk of me dying from heart failure (Which is most likely around 85-95 Percent).

I took weed from Sydney to Melbourne, the whole time in the airport freaking out even though it was only the Domestic airport. Then the security got set off by a fire inside the Hungry Jacks (Which I didn't know at the time). So I was just walking around scared shitless thinking this is the most stupid thing I've EVER done. And yet this guy still tried it in not only an International Airport, but also in an Aiport that's country has heavilly cracked down on Drug Import/Exportation.

I guess the main question is not "Is his sentence fair", but more to the point "What drove him to do it?"

FaTz OuT
 
^ i think it's a bit presumptuous to assume that you know what drives a person to commit a crime - sure, the bit about needing to pay his brother's legal fees may well be grossly exaggerated to help his case, but i mean, seriously, you personally have no fucking idea why he did it, and you certainly can't rule out that he was doing for possibly non-self-motivated reasons.

that being said...my point of view.

1. Trafficking/possessing drugs in any country that operates using the death penalty specifically for drug related crimes is clearly not a wise move. It's the risk he ran.

2. However, I do not condone capital punishment, and I am even more strongly against it for crimes other than murder (for as i see it - the eye for an eye argument is the only possibly justification to kill someone as punishment)

3. My stance overall - is that yes the government should be campaigning for him because of the death penalty factor, and the fact that he could be an important witness. Though really to be fair- no matter what your criticism of the government might be, I'm sure they have tried avenues for this, and really - as previously mentioned in this thread, Singapore does have a pretty strong record for executions :\.

Also - it really jars me when people in this thread who have obviously contributed in some way to the drug market, condemn drug traffickers in that way. Sure - it's heroin, and I understand there's a large stigma attached to this drug and not everyone's contact with it has been pleasant, but seriously, I do not understand how any of you can jump onto the moral highground with this one ---- if you have even consumed drugs, you are perpetuating the unregulated, and yes in some aspects extremely negative, violent and damaging cycle of the drug market - whether within Australia or overseas.

(pre-emptive: yes, i know consuming drugs is not as 'bad' as trafficking them, but you can't argue you're still helping that economy along)
 
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Hey, most of us on BL are breaking the law in some form or other everytime one of us consumes or even carry a significant amount on our persons.

Are any of you under any pretentions that it is even remotely legal doing what we do?

The bottomline is, do whatever the fuck you want, but don't get caught. If you do, face the music.
 
stereotyping here... i don't think the majority of habitual heroin users care too much about anything really, except perhaps scoring their next hit.
 
keystroke said:
I can't wait for this idiot to die, the less heroin traffickers in the world the better. if you're stupid enough to try and smuggle drugs throughout asia, you are deserving of nothing short of execution.

why should our government try and help a heroin smuggler? what would happen if this heroin got into australia, then someone broke into your grandmothers place, bashed her over the head to steal a hundred dollars to buy this heroin? would you still think he is not deserving of the punishment given?

stupidity deserves execution? say hi to hitler for me.

the only reason grandmothers are being bashed is because the government still manages to successfully brainwash people like yourself, so-called non-stupids 8)

i can't wait for idiots with views similar to yours to die, heroin would become obsolete.
 
Yeah... This thread can be sum'd up really easily...

Drug's are bad... And you're all dirty dirty druggies :P
 
Mary Poppins said:
Also - it really jars me when people in this thread who have obviously contributed in some way to the drug market, condemn drug traffickers in that way. Sure - it's heroin, and I understand there's a large stigma attached to this drug and not everyone's contact with it has been pleasant, but seriously, I do not understand how any of you can jump onto the moral highground with this one ---- if you have even consumed drugs, you are perpetuating the unregulated, and yes in some aspects extremely negative, violent and damaging cycle of the drug market - whether within Australia or overseas.

(pre-emptive: yes, i know consuming drugs is not as 'bad' as trafficking them, but you can't argue you're still helping that economy along)


I would like to say word to everything you posted, particularly the above section. There's nothing I can't stand more than a self-righteous drug user. Where do you think our drugs come from people... traffickers like this guy. Why don't we just kill them all eh? Seeing as they're such scum. I'm sorry, but if there wasn't an illegal drug market, that we contribute to, there would be no need for traffickers.

As for the argument about heroin users robbing and bashing your grandmother keystroke, prohibition of the substance has a whole lot to do with the criminality associated with it, not the substance itself.

As I've said earlier in the thread, while I respect a country's right to sovereignty, I don't necessarily have to agree with the laws they set. That's not to say I would flaunt their laws by using/carrying drugs in the country, but I certainly don't believe a man deserves to die for doing this. I've posted my thoughts on capital punishment in other threads, so I'm not going to rehash. But I would like to point out that countless criminological studies have failed to find evidence of the death penalty acting as a deterrent to crime.

Here's a question: will this execution stop drug trafficking?

Not a chance in hell.

In that case, if Nguyen Tuong Van is to be hung, his death will be in vain.


I'm not sure of the origins of this quote, but I think it sums up my thoughts quite well:

"Human decency demands that our greatest efforts should be reserved for all human beings who are at risk of execution - whether they be young or old, black or white, pretty or ugly, Australian or non-Australian, guilty or innocent. When society takes pleasure in the legalised killing of a human being, we all demean ourselves and our world is further brutalised."
 
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keystroke said:
I can't wait for this idiot to die, the less heroin traffickers in the world the better. if you're stupid enough to try and smuggle drugs throughout asia, you are deserving of nothing short of execution.

why should our government try and help a heroin smuggler? what would happen if this heroin got into australia, then someone broke into your grandmothers place, bashed her over the head to steal a hundred dollars to buy this heroin? would you still think he is not deserving of the punishment given?

No offence but why are you even on this website anyway?

If I wanted to read thick-headed, ignorant, right-wing drivel like that, I'd go read a Murdoch paper or tune into talkback radio.

This goes for anyone else who thinks it's okay to take someone's life for strapping 400 grams of heroin to their body. I can only imagine what incredibly heartless and incomplete lives you must have lead to hold such low value for the sanctity of human life.

Firstly, someone has to deal drugs. Whether you believe in our drug laws or not, it's likely that because you're on this website you have taken an illicit drug at some point or another in your life (if you haven't then please ignore my rantings).

If you've ever enjoyed taking drugs, then someone, somewhere has had to have made an effort to manufacture, traffic and distribute that drug for your personal indulgance. Regardless of the fact that the overwhelming majority of people involved in such an enterprise are doing it out of greed, the fact remains; we are all most likely here because of these people. To whom we also owe all friendships, experiences and interactions through this website because none of it would happen if people didn't illegally make and move drugs.

The hypocrisy of some people is astounding.

Secondly, while I don't doubt the man made a very, very big mistake, it's quite a stretch to argue that he should be put to death for it.

Even though I oppose the death penalty completely, that's not to say I don't sympathise with the argument that it should be used as a sentence for murderers and rapists, but for moving drugs?

How, in any way, is that punishment in proportion to the crime?

Tuong Van was twenty-two years old when he was arrested at Changi airport three years ago. A lot of people at that point in their life make silly, silly, stupid mistakes. God knows I have, and so do most other people in their lives.

Imagine the biggest mistake you've ever made in your life. Imagine being judged for it in such a way as to say that you are irrevocably evil because of that mistake and that there is no room for rehabilition, the only mandatory sentence that can be given is death by hanging.

If you support this sentence, then basically you're saying that's the kind of society you'd like to live in. If you do, quite frankly you can get fucked and there's a few places I can suggest you go.

Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.
- Mohandas K. Gandhi
 
endlesseulogy said:
^^ One of these reasons why this is unfair is because he wasnt trying to smuggle drugs
into singapore.. he was comming from cambodia.. He was only in transit in Chani airport, therefore the drugs were never intended for singapore. The drugs were intended for Australia

"dude, like i'm so totally innocent, my drugs weren't meant for YOUR people, they were meant for MINE!"
"oh, dude, like, our bad brah. here's a slap on the wrist, and next time don't use us as a stopover, because, HEH, we be strict yo"

what kind of fucked up logic is that?

i don't believe in the death penalty for most crimes, especially the consumption of chemicals that is done by choice. however, how fucktarded do you have to be to smuggle drugs through asia? i'm with keystroke and 'tristan snort' on this, this is a darwin award by proxy in my opinion.
 
preacha said:
"dude, like i'm so totally innocent, my drugs weren't meant for YOUR people, they were meant for MINE!"
"oh, dude, like, our bad brah. here's a slap on the wrist, and next time don't use us as a stopover, because, HEH, we be strict yo"

what kind of fucked up logic is that?

i don't believe in the death penalty for most crimes, especially the consumption of chemicals that is done by choice. however, how fucktarded do you have to be to smuggle drugs through asia? i'm with keystroke and 'tristan snort' on this, this is a darwin award by proxy in my opinion.


Haha! you made me spit my mungbeans at the monitor.. chirrah sir!... very hilariously funny!

We could see it that way, or we could see it as an oppertunity to raise awareness about issues relating to prohibiton. Is the drug war working? 452 executions in Singapore in X number of years and no reduction in that countries drug "problem"? Same issue everywhere else in the world. Where is it going to end? What, when human kind stops feeling the need to alter consciousness?
 
^^ so van will be a martyr for those championing the cause of the decriminalisation of prohibited substances?

the 'war' on drugs is unwinnable, that doesn't mean we should let the dealers out of their trenches and start breakdancing amongst the barbed wire
 
^^ I wasnt implying that he be seen as a martyr. Stop putting words in my mouth. I was simply saying this issue has ties to prohibition therefore we should be more aware of it in GENERAL.

Im not saying we should let the dealers out. Im saying we should see drug law as a unified enemy which creates the dealers and peddlers in the first place
 
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endlesseulogy said:
Im not saying we should let the dealers out. Im saying we should see drug law as a unified enemy which creates the dealers and peddlers in the first place

Oh yes, lets legalise heroin.

Considering there have been a lot of these high profile cases of late, I suspect it would act as a deterrant for many.
 
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