Misc Boldine

[skamariapastora]

Hey there kids, So, I have a question about Tetrohydroisoquinolines.

Not sure who would or how much you folks might know about this but about a year ago i purchased what i was told to be coca tea, labelled, in shipping as BOLDO TEA, Peumus Boldus, and an EXTRA included 20g packaged of what was labeled POWDERED COCA LEAVES again under the label of BOLDO TEA PEUMUS BOLDO. OKay. It`s been a year. I`ve left this shit pretty much alone other than the few days i spent sucking on tea bags to get an stim effect. What is happening here... If it is just neurotoxic someone please drop a hint.

I have thirty grams or so of what i suppose to be camphor smelling herbal and powdered herbal material. Though i hate to say it, yes, i have insuffilated the raw powdered material before.... Either way I have about 30 grams of raw, amazon rainforest type of shit material sitting in my closet. What Say you Bluelight..... My Soul Tells me to Burn it.... To Burn it all. And.... No.... Not in a pipe. Please......... Tell me what you think.

 

[Venrak]

Make tea out of the powder and chew on quids of the leaf.

Don't expect a cocaine-level experience.

 

[sekio]

Yup, coca leaf is going to be 0.1% cocaine in the best of cases.

Just make a tea and drink it.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Are you asking if coca leaf is dangerous? I know quite a few people who are super-healthy and would never even take pharmaceuticals who use it, and it has been used as a medicine and as a mild stimulant by the indigenous people of South America for thousands of years. Millions of people in the Andes chew or drink coca leaf every day, and it considered sacred within indigenous cultures. Coca leaf is not cocaine, just as grapes are not wine. The coca alkaloids which are used to make cocaine make up such a tiny percentage of coca leaf (there are also a lot of other alkaloids in the leaf, and coca alkaloids have to undergo a process to be made into cocaine). It is absolutely ridiculous that coca leaf is illegal. It was outlawed by the UN for racist and arbitrary reasons, because certain people wanted it outlawed so a brief, non-scientific and biased study of native Peruvians who chewed coca leaf claimed its use caused "race degeneration" and was "harmful" although they didn't really come up with any details or proof as to what made it "harmful" (whatever that means). Now they don't want to change the law because it has been that way for so long and the US has been busy demonizing coca leaf.

Even Coca-Cola has coca leaf extract in it, although today they used de-cocainized leaf and probably just a small amount of the extract for flavouring, so it's not really comparable to drinking Coca tea and Coca-Cola is way worse for your health.

If on the other hand you are asking if it will get you "high", then not exactly. It doesn't produce a strong euphoria, more of a subtle mood lift and energy boost. It can also be used for various medicinal and spiritual reasons. Coca leaf is also very high in vitamins.

As to how to use it, the easiest way and the traditional way for dried crushed/powdered leaf is to make it into a tea. Simply add hot water to the powder.


Why does your soul tell you to burn it???



EDIT: Wait, who told you it was coca? I thought you were just saying the shipping label said it was boldo to avert suspicion, but if it is not in fact coca leaf and it is boldo then that's a different story. Boldo leaf has not been thoroughly studied, but it does contain the compound ascaridole which can be be toxic in high doses, so the recommendations are to only use it as a tea and not make it into an oil or extract - ascaridole has low solubility in water so the use of boldo tea is believed to be safe (and it is widely used with no reported neurotoxic effects). Making an extract in alcohol is probably not the best idea if it is in fact boldo. And boldo has different effects/properties from coca.

Or if your real question is should you put something in your body if you have no idea what it actually is, then yeah, I'd suggest throwing it out. Sorry if I had trouble understanding your post.

 

[Tripman]

I would steep it in high percentage alcohol over a week or two.

Agwa is made with coca leaves.

 

[skamariapastora]

What i was saying is that it is (presumably) either Peumus Boldo or coca. I am not sure how to test without shipping it to spain and testing for a $150. I have made tea from it many times before, but i found that chewing on the leaves for an hour+ produced what i would characterize as stimulating. Certainly not like, pure blown cocaine, SWIM has done their share of the white stuff, more than i'd care to say, but... This was sold as Coca tea and was labelled as Peumus Boldo with a "Coca Tea" sticker underneath that was the same size.... Either way i have a mild stimulant tea but this powder, i daresay i have taken a fair few gacks, and it is stimulating, and then a headache in the morning. probably just placebo, but the tea produces what i could imagine Boldo being. then i looked up Boldine and i saw that there is next to nothing known about it, other than it's chemical structure.

Orally i found it to be either stimulating chewed or a strong, steadying, earthy tea. Is the any way i can find out whether it is coca or Boldo?

I know coca leaf isn't particularly hazardous to a normal person, and believe me, i've studied the plant and would love to grow it...but... I acquired this legally. Just wondering how Boldine is going to work out with my body. feels fairly inert.

 

[skamariapastora]

That, I might try though... Either in Vodka or... Dare i say... whiskey. I have like, an oz of tea so lol i'll see what happens over a week.

I just read somewhere that it is somewhat related to Camphor. I had never heard of tetrahydroisoquiolines before... All i want to know is whether or not it has any toxicity, if it is Boldo and Boldine instead of Coca and it's alkaloids. has given me a headache before, but that might have just been a hangover.

i just wanna know what this random powdered plant i bought from some dude in the rainforest is lol. pretty funny concept if you ask me.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Did you read my post? As I said, Boldo contains the compound ascaridole which can be be toxic, so in case it actually is boldo and not coca only use it as a tea and don't make it into an oil or extract - ascaridole has low solubility in water so the use of boldo tea is believed to be fairly safe, while making an extract in alcohol is probably not the best idea if it is in fact boldo.

My best guess is that it probably is coca and for legal reasons they put a "Peamus Boldo" label on it in case it got inspected. But no, there is no test you can do to determine for sure whether it is coca or boldo. Just stick to the tea to be safe though.

See:
Boldo - Wikipedia
Ascaridole - Wikipedia

 

[THC2LSD]

Yup, coca leaf is going to be 0.1% cocaine in the best of cases.

Not true. Even amazonian(ipadu) coca has .25 percent cocaine, with very little secondary alkaloids. Erythroxylum Coca is about .5-1%, up to 1.25% with the best Bolivian coca, with more secondary alkaloids than amazonian coca but less than Novogranatense. Erythroxylum Novogranatense has about the same as coca, usually slightly higher.Same with Novogranatense var. Truxillense, though is has more essensial oils and flavonoids. Java Novogranatense often had 1.5% cocaine! All variants of Novogranatense have much higher levels of secondary alkaloids.

Are you asking if coca leaf is dangerous? I know quite a few people who are super-healthy and would never even take pharmaceuticals who use it, and it has been used as a medicine and as a mild stimulant by the indigenous people of South America for thousands of years. Millions of people in the Andes chew or drink coca leaf every day, and it considered sacred within indigenous cultures. Coca leaf is not cocaine, just as grapes are not wine. The coca alkaloids which are used to make cocaine make up such a tiny percentage of coca leaf (there are also a lot of other alkaloids in the leaf, and coca alkaloids have to undergo a process to be made into cocaine). It is absolutely ridiculous that coca leaf is illegal. It was outlawed by the UN for racist and arbitrary reasons, because certain people wanted it outlawed so a brief, non-scientific and biased study of native Peruvians who chewed coca leaf claimed its use caused "race degeneration" and was "harmful" although they didn't really come up with any details or proof as to what made it "harmful" (whatever that means). Now they don't want to change the law because it has been that way for so long and the US has been busy demonizing coca leaf.

I've read old bulletin on narcotics and was shocked at how racist they were. They claimed that the average dose of coca levels was 30 grams at once(Indians must have big mouths) which delivered .3 grams of cocaine every doses, done every hour.Chewing coca was no different that IV pure coke in their minds. Other one's point out that the Negros were the most common addicts and that addicts weren't sick, they were violent psychopaths and sexual deviants. One also describes the Chinese as being prone to opiate addiction and as a race that thinks pictorially, rather than in words, thoughts or ideas like other races. It's funny our modern drug laws are based on the ignorance of the past.

I wouldn't extract boldo, you should just make tea or look up recipes to cook with. Supposedly it's great for hangovers.