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Bluelight Singles thread "Living without justification" Part 2

When I was doing Zen practice last year, the teacher would always make us perform this style of meditation which focused on generating compassion with the averge person. Some other buddhist traditions may call it "loving kindness". What would happen is that you would be instructed to sit in a meditative position looking at a total stranger face on with your eyes open for one hour without moving or saying anything. Now when you first start out, all sorts of thoughts churn over in your mind regarding this person, absolutle bullshit seeing as you dont even know who the fuck they are. Its amazing how much we assume about other people regarding their internal mental state, most of it total fairytale and crap. Now as these classes progressed the amount of ego-centric delusional chatter began to decrease and i was able to just see that person in the moment, for who they are. Face, skin, eyes, breathing sound. The purpose of this practice was to see that you are infact the same as them. There is no separation between the "you" and the "them". A notion of "oneness" would fill the mind.

I would have to say that this practice would definatly help those who are in relationship trouble because you would soon see that one is totally helpless as the other and all those nasty assumptions and delusions we create for ourselves are infact totally false. We complecate things by building our ego up to such a state where we often let our emotions control our lives making us extreamly irritable and miserable. However this practice shows us that these ideas, thoughts and emotions are often baseless and all that is real is the current moment. You and that person in stillness.

They should teach this sort of stuff at school honestly. It would save so many people from complete suffering. But one thing i always like to remember is that things are never as bad as we think they are and its only a problem if we make it one. Free will people. We never practice it. The mind is like a musical instument. We must play it, rather then it, play us.

But you say, arnt we our mind?

round and round we go 8(

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Thankyou endlesseulogy,
That is a truly wonderful and profound post. One of the best I have read. The potential of assistance in relationships is truly tremendous.
I only disagree with one little thing, and that is
Free will people. We never practice it.
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We do practice it, the amount just varies among people.
I choose to appreciate endlesseulogy's post, this thread, Australian Social, www.Bluelight.nu, and the whole entire rest of existence.
Peace,
:)
O.
 
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Munchee said:
I used to be a pussy too, then I started taking drugs and talking shit. I got my libido back and women seemed to be more interested in me cause I wasn’t that shy guy who sat in the corner of the room talking about feelings through disjointed cliché similie and imagery.

Ive been seeing a Mrs Palmer for a few months now, I feel its easier to be yourself when u actually feel yourself and not constantly struggling to beat yourself.

Winners dont drug users :P


Sorry backo, I just had to.
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Hahah brilliant
 
What I learnt most from my Zen practice was that we are only on their world for a very very short time. Why spending it arguing with people you love and respect? Our lives are filled with such delusion, then we go and call this reality! Man, this is no reality i want to be a part off. The only way to avoid suffering and confusion is to bring down the wall of separatness between you and the other person and see everyone as one entity co-existing.

See the thing is, we are always looking for something better, material or person, this search never seems to end. We spend so much time searching that we fail to realise that what we want may be here and now. Personally, now, im sick of looking, it only brings failure.

But it kinda makes me understand why lonliness is the world's number one killer. We are so distant and alien to each other because our minds live in delusion. But in reality (and this is why i use psychedelics) we are all the same.
 
endlesseulogy said:
When I was doing Zen practice last year, the teacher would always make us perform this style of meditation which focused on generating compassion with the averge person. Some other buddhist traditions may call it "loving kindness". What would happen is that you would be instructed to sit in a meditative position looking at a total stranger face on with your eyes open for one hour without moving or saying anything. Now when you first start out, all sorts of thoughts churn over in your mind regarding this person, absolutle bullshit seeing as you dont even know who the fuck they are. Its amazing how much we assume about other people regarding their internal mental state, most of it total fairytale and crap. Now as these classes progressed the amount of ego-centric delusional chatter began to decrease and i was able to just see that person in the moment, for who they are. Face, skin, eyes, breathing sound. The purpose of this practice was to see that you are infact the same as them. There is no separation between the "you" and the "them". A notion of "oneness" would fill the mind.

I would have to say that this practice would definatly help those who are in relationship trouble because you would soon see that one is totally helpless as the other and all those nasty assumptions and delusions we create for ourselves are infact totally false. We complecate things by building our ego up to such a state where we often let our emotions control our lives making us extreamly irritable and miserable. However this practice shows us that these ideas, thoughts and emotions are often baseless and all that is real is the current moment. You and that person in stillness.

They should teach this sort of stuff at school honestly. It would save so many people from complete suffering. But one thing i always like to remember is that things are never as bad as we think they are and its only a problem if we make it one. Free will people. We never practice it. The mind is like a musical instument. We must play it, rather then it, play us.

But you say, arnt we our mind?

round and round we go 8(

=D
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that's absolutely fascinating reading EE...thanks for posting :)

i also think this illustrates perfectly how many couples and friends even feel that they have more "spiritual" or "real" connections on drugs - as they are an artificial form of achieving a similar state to the one described....free of inhibitions - just two people....

:)
 
^^ Drugs, esspecially psychedelics, show you reality, when you come down, you fall into delusion..

I cant stand it when after a drug experience, people say, "comming back to reality".

On acid esspecially, you see the whole truth and nothing but the truth, its just some people choose to ignore it because sometimes, the truth hurts and they put in place what i like to call the "dirty drug" mentality.

Reality isnt thinking about what happened last week or what you had for breakfast. Reality is right here right now your eyes - computer monitor, heartbeat, stars twinkling, wind blowing, water running, chemical reactions. That is reality. Half the shit that goes on in people's minds is delusion, this is why people get frustrated.

Most importantly reality IS free from inhibitions and social conditioning.

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I never said Zen was the only way.. read it again :p

The only way to avoid suffering and confusion is to bring down the wall of separatness between you and the other person and see everyone as one entity co-existing.
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There are many ways of doing this, Zen being one of them..

Im not saying Zen should be taught in schools, im saying the techniques should. Zen is not a religion, man, its a way of thinking.

Oh and by the way, you are the same as murderers and rapists in jail, not in behavior. If you took the time to investigate what i mean further, you will see that this is not a negitive thing. Because in reality there exists no negitive or positive, there just is. ;)

So is a tree, a rock, a star, water and a strawberry.

Also i may add, did i say that i actually practice this technique with my friends and girlfriends? There ya go, assuming again, as soon as you read my writing, you built a little file in your head called endlesseulogy, and started drawing this little picture of who i am. This is where the problem begins.

Also, again, ill correct you, I never said relationships are filled with delusion, I said relationship problems are often filled with delusion.

Yes you also apply rational thought, but does the other party? If you are dealing with a female, logic and rational thinking have nothing to do with it alot of the time because females, being the beautiful creatures that they are, feel.... Feeling has no logic or reason. Man, this is even something im still getting used to.

Peace. :>
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Slightly maybe off topic but still pro topic

Slightly maybe off topic but still pro topic because it's about generating greater levels of
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The Technique of Vipassana Meditation.
Vipassana, which means to see things as they really are, is one of India's most ancient techniques of meditation. It was rediscovered by Gotama Buddha more than 2500 years ago and was taught by him as a universal remedy for universal ills, i.e., an Art Of Living.
This non-sectarian technique aims for the total eradication of mental impurities and the resultant highest happiness of full liberation. Healing, not merely the curing of diseases, but the essential healing of human suffering, is its purpose.

Vipassana is a way of self-transformation through self-observation. It focuses on the deep interconnection between mind and body, which can be experienced directly by disciplined attention to the physical sensations that form the life of the body, and that continuously interconnect and condition the life of the mind. It is this observation-based, self-exploratory journey to the common root of mind and body that dissolves mental impurity, resulting in a balanced mind full of love and compassion.

The scientific laws that operate one's thoughts, feelings, judgements and sensations become clear. Through direct experience, the nature of how one grows or regresses, how one produces suffering or frees oneself from suffering is understood. Life becomes characterized by increased awareness, non-delusion, self-control and peace.


The Tradition
Since the time of Buddha, Vipassana has been handed down, to the present day, by an unbroken chain of teachers. Although Indian by descent, the current teacher in this chain, Mr. S.N. Goenka, was born and raised in Burma (Myanmar). While living there he had the good fortune to learn Vipassana from his teacher, Sayagyi U Ba Khin who was at the time a high Government official. After receiving training from his teacher for fourteen years, Mr. Goenka settled in India and began teaching Vipassana in 1969. Since then he has taught tens of thousands of people of all races and all religions in both the East and West. In 1982 he began to appoint assistant teachers to help him meet the growing demand for Vipassana courses.

The Courses
The technique is taught at ten-day residential courses during which participants follow a prescribed Code of Discipline , learn the basics of the method, and practice sufficiently to experience its beneficial results.
The course requires hard, serious work. There are three steps to the training. The first step is, for the period of the course, to abstain from killing, stealing, sexual activity, speaking falsely, and intoxicants. This simple code of moral conduct serves to calm the mind, which otherwise would be too agitated to perform the task of self-observation.

The next step is to develop some mastery over the mind by learning to fix one's attention on the natural reality of the ever changing flow of breath as it enters and leaves the nostrils.

By the fourth day the mind is calmer and more focused, better able to undertake the practice of Vipassana itself: observing sensations throughout the body, understanding their nature, and developing equanimity by learning not to react to them.

Finally, on the last full day participants learn the meditation of loving kindness or goodwill towards all, in which the purity developed during the course is shared with all beings.

The entire practice is actually a mental training. Just as we use physical exercises to improve our bodily health, Vipassana can be used to develop a healthy mind.

Because it has been found to be genuinely helpful, great emphasis it put on preserving the technique in its original, authentic form. It is not taught commercially, but instead is offered freely. No person involved in its teaching receives any material remuneration.

There are no charges for the courses - not even to cover the cost of food and accommodation. All expenses are met by donations from people who, having completed a course and experienced the benefits of Vipassana, wish to give others the opportunity to benefit from it also.

Of course, the results come gradually through continued practice. It is unrealistic to expect all problems to be solved in ten days. Within that time, however, the essentials of Vipassana can be learned so that it can be applied in daily life. The more the technique is practiced, the greater the freedom from misery, and the closer the approach to the ultimate goal of full liberation. Even ten days can provide results which are vivid and obviously beneficial in everyday life.

All sincere people are welcome to join a Vipassana course to see for themselves how the technique works and to measure the benefits. All those who try it will find Vipassana to be an invaluable tool with which to achieve and share real happiness with others.

For additional information on the availability of Vipassana courses in your local area, you may contact a local Vipassana respresentative
via http://www.dhamma.org/wclist.htm#Australia/New Zealand
For information regarding the positive benefits and results of this meditation being taught to prisoners and "drug" users see
http://www.prison.dhamma.org/. Main Vipassana site is at
http://www.dhamma.org/

Peace and blessings,
:)
O.

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^^maybe she wrote her birthday greetings across her breasts and you will get them later when you undress her?
 
She showed up wearing clothes?? Thats a bloody outrage! :X It's your birthday, you can't be expected to do ALL the work!

She'd better have at least brought beer (or something alcoholic), to make up for it. ;)
 
i got him blank cds and a ticket to saints and sinners so STFU :p

no beer though. so yeah, i deserve a hasty dumping for that one. i'm sorry :(:(:(
 
katmeow said:
Reality is a crutch for people who can't handle drugs ;)
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I know you are joking when you write this.

Reality is truth people. every encounter you have with someone else is your journey and you grow from every experience you have. People who build up boundries, people who are assholes have their place in your journey. For every high point you have in your life there is a low point to match it. It is these natural experiences that make life worth living.

Now thats life and its the most real feeling you are ever going to get.

For the life of me I will never understand people talking about some other reality that is more real than this one. Sensory overload feels great thats why people do it, but you dont learn anything from it and if you have to be fucked up to realise that it would be nice if everyone was nice to one another then go for it. Any acid trip where you find meaning is probably on par with a piss head like me turning my head at five in the morning and seeing my mate who started drinking with me still going strong. Ahh what a mate what a friend... blah blah blah.

A world without the worst of human emotion would be terrible. You would never have anything to strive for. The seven deadly sins probably have led to everything around you, and the reason why you feel so good when something actually goes your way for a change.

Now I will be the first person to admit that I do ramble and talk alot of shit, I just dont get it when people talk about learning so much from drug experiences.

So lets stop talking shit. Stop writing long winded posts that belong in thought (ie the forum for people who dont get bored after a couple of lines) and get back to normal conversation.

PS. Listen to that Keej guy, he knows the score cause his gf has mad cannons.
 
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yeah word!!!

altho those posts may be correct and insightful. .. i cant read them...
 
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i don't think that you can totally negate the experiences you have under the influences of drugs or any other stimulants/intoxicants....after all - sure they might not reflect "reality" [as you define it] but they still form a part of some people's lives - and I fail to see how just because they are altering reality, drugs negate the possibility to learn anything about yourself or others?

Sure - I find it disgusting when I hear people talk about that person they just met when they were fucked up and they're soooooooooo connected with them etc. etc. - and people who don't contextualise experiences they have on drugs - sure - blatantly fictional.

I just don't think you can completely rule out the fact that you can learn stuff about yourself and other people whilst on drugs - I think it is majorly dependent on the company you keep while doing them and also your motives behind taking them....
 
I would be completely hypocritical if i didnt say that you can use drugs to your advantage. For me it was being able to open up to people at first (believe it or not I was extremely quiet), but then of course I realised that it was the catalyst. Who is to say it was drugs though, maybe I just felt comfortable with the people I was with, perhaps I would still be where I am today without it.

I believe putting faith in the drugs means that you are denying yourself the kudos for something that you did or made the choice to do and have learnt from that an taken it on.

I just dont believe you can have these life changing experiences where you have great insights. You had the insights.. just because you sat there staring at a brick wall for 8 hours doesnt mean you couldnt have come up with the same thing if you were straight looking at a brick wall.

So yes of course I believe with you in some respects but its due to the lowering of inhibitions that you could get from having a beer with someone rather than the who journey learn something experience.
 
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endlesseulogy said:
^^ Drugs, esspecially psychedelics, show you reality, when you come down, you fall into delusion..
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delusion or distraction from simplicity?:)
 
endlesseulogy: LOL i guess that explains why you talk so much shit. I'm assuming this is when you are not on psychedelics, thus, deluded?

Solution: Medicate, medicate, medicate.
 
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