Bluelight - Harm Redution and Fun Potentiation?

[Snowy]

Hi!

Does Harm Reduction work, when you give true information about drugs? Many user are trying to get information here in order to stay safe, while they do dangerous things with drugs. Me too. Is this a true and good principle to reduce the harm drugs can cause? It's certainly safer to stay away from all drugs unless they are used for some existing medical condition.
I guess most users here are determined to get most of their drugs, right? That's the reason for most of the information exchange here. Isn't this a direct contradiction to the harm reduction principle?

Why is posting drug syntheses prohibited if they could lead to cleaner drug for the end-user?
Isn't that also harm reduction?

Can someone explain these contradictions to me - or why there are none?

Thank you for any thought on this matter!

 

[guineaPig]

The other forums discuss drugs?
Dear god...what have I been associating with?!
And what is this "harm reduction" you speak of?

 

[Snowy]

:D Hey!

There are some inconsistencies! Please explain your view seriously.

 

[CHiLD-0F-THE-BEAT]

Snowy your thread began its life in The Lounge - I'm guessing you did not read the forum guidelines for this particular section of Bluelight? You're lucky sarcasm is all you got before it was moved.

Please be mindful of where you are posting. The Lounge has a strict No Drug Talk rule as well as being a place of light-hearted and non-serious discussion. Hardly the right place for a thread such as this.

 

[Coraline]

Harm reduction. The words itself explain it.

Bluelight is a online community where you can get all kinds of information and help.

I think you are mainly referring to the drug topics though.

My forum has a lot of misinformed users who come on and ask questions. It also has well informed members who know things that will save a drug user from serious harm. Being informed is the best way to reduce harm.
We will start with the most damaging thing to do the wrong way beside taking too much of a drug or mixing drugs that can kill you, IV drug use.

Ok. You have a guy who for what ever reason wants to shoot a drug but doesn't know how.
A.) he can just do it and he might live or he might die. He might loose his arm or worst.
B.) he can research the how to do it or ask a question. Then he can really decide if he wants to continue on or not. If he decides to continue on he is well informed about what to do. How to do it. How to keep from losing his arm and Oding.

He will learn about not applying heat to pills. He will learn you only need a little citric acid to desolve heroin to help save his veins. He will learn not to share needles and to only use once. He will learn about micro filtration.
He will learn about the complication and s/s of infection and when he should go get medical treatment. Also he will get advice about how much to shoot up. This is important. He may be seen as a "low life" to some people but he is someone's brother or father, son or someone's mother, sister, or daughter. I don't want my sister to die because she injected too much from a mistake.

Most people are going to do drugs anyways. If its for pain control or to cope with emotional pain. Their is a reason people use drugs. They can come here and not be judged for their actions and get help. I call this Harm Reduction. This site has saved people's lives. It gives guidance and helps people from doing stupid things like mixing a lot of benzos and opiates then downing a bottle of NyQuil.

Not only does this site prevent harm reduction on taking drugs it informs you about dangerous drugs like krocodil and what the synthetic marijuana does to you.

Bluelight is for people who use drugs legal or illegal and want to do it safely. They are already on the drug to begin with. Some find info on a drug and decide if it's right for them to use.

Manufacturing meth is dangerous and the person who makes meth makes money on the user. Bluelight's goal isn't to help people prey on drug users for financial gain.

When I signed up for Bluelight I needed help with my pain management and asked questions related to opiate use and the best way to take it. Nobody ever said to me, " Take a whole bunch it will be amazing!" they gave sound advice I needed.

Everybody wants to get the most out of their drug. I know I want the most effective pain relief without being in danger of hurting myself. I asked a very similar question. I got very good advice that kept me safe and helped my pain. I found sources on here to help me keep my tolerance down. That's why I am dedicated to BL. They are here for harm reduction. I am here for harm reduction. Harm reduction mean giving information based on expierence to users so they prevent injury to themselves. Some people don't know not to mix DMX and Ectasy. It can cause high blood pressure and stroke. Some people don't know drinking too much water while on certain drugs can cause your brain to swell.

Where else are you going to (mostly) find straight forward answers about these topics from people who actually have expierence with the subject matter? Of course you could always ask Jerry's pet hamster uncle Larry who swims. But do you really want to know how to shoot heroin from a hamster? I think not. (lol!)

 

[MoosejawSanders]

I don't think asking how to do purify a drug, or how to defeat a time-release mechanism , etc, is against the rules. Drug synthesis in itself is a hairy topic though because it is much more about how to circumvent the law than it is about harm reduction.

 

[tricomb]

Drug synthesis is by no means harm reduction, by any stretch of the imagination. Most drug synthesis are very dangerous and are extremely illegal (duh, the BLUA is very clear about not propagating illegal activity), it's often detrimental to the environment and the risks of self-injury is extremely high.

Most people here don't have a laboratory where they can safely manufacture drugs without hurting others or contaminating the local environment, and I guarantee you, much more people are going to get hurt attempting synthesis than the amount of people who would somehow benefit from higher purity drugs under the guise of harm reduction, plain and simple.

I mean, most people aren't versed well enough in basic chemistry to be yielding good product anyways, I mean take methamphetamine for example, most people are going to follow the easiest synthesis they can find (aka shake/bake) and that's going to cause more harm than good no matter how you slice it.

There are plenty of other online forums that are willing to discuss synthesis with you, Bluelight isn't one of them.

I don't think asking how to do purify a drug, or how to defeat a time-release mechanism , etc, is against the rules. Drug synthesis in itself is a hairy topic though because it is much more about how to circumvent the law than it is about harm reduction.

^Yes, spot on.

 

[Tommyboy]

Hi!

Does Harm Reduction work, when you give true information about drugs? Many user are trying to get information here in order to stay safe, while they do dangerous things with drugs. Me too. Is this a true and good principle to reduce the harm drugs can cause? It's certainly safer to stay away from all drugs unless they are used for some existing medical condition.
I guess most users here are determined to get most of their drugs, right? That's the reason for most of the information exchange here. Isn't this a direct contradiction to the harm reduction principle?

Why is posting drug syntheses prohibited if they could lead to cleaner drug for the end-user?
Isn't that also harm reduction?

Can someone explain these contradictions to me - or why there are none?

Thank you for any thought on this matter!

Preaching abstinence from drugs does not work for most people, and that is where harm reduction comes into play. The information on bluelight is for people who are going to use no matter what, so we provide information on safely ingesting these drugs. This is also why we don't allow "what should I take?" threads, since we operate under the notion that a user already has a substance in their possession that they are going to take, and they want to know the safest way to go about taking it.

This varies from safe dosage recommendations, to information about dangerous combinations to avoid, to minimizing risk associated with various routes of administration, all so that a person who is going to use regardless can reduce the harmful effects of the drug or ROA.

 

[effie]

^ indeed..

It's all a balance. Teaching people how to IV safely might be seen as promoting IV use, but we are very careful not to do that. We take the position that people will do it anyway, so we will arm them with information and not propaganda. Same applies to other drug/HR topics. Abstinance might be safest, but it's certainly not realistic (or necessary?) for some drug users - so the next safest thing is to make sure people know about the dangers and how to minimise them. Advising others on how to get the most out of drugs might not seem like HR, but as Tommy said we don't allow "how can I get high" threads - what we might allow, for example, is a thread advising someone on how to get the most out of a drug taken by routes other than IV, as this could prevent someone from going down that path.

As for synthesis - in many ways it is the same as sourcing; telling someone how to obtain a drug, and often by pretty unsafe means. It's dodgy ethical and legal ground. It's one thing to discuss taking drugs, it's another to spread info about manufacturing them.