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Yeah no joke. Can almost taste that chemical flavor dripping down the back of my throat :/
 
filenet said:
now we all know not to judge on colour alone...this shit has balls of steel!

I've only ever experienced full-on nystagmus a handful of times from methamp, mainly while in SEA on good ice yet this brown shit really hammers the eyes.

I assume it's to do with the serotonin release at such high levels as it mimics what I get from MDMA & high dosages of tramadol (all serotonergic agents) Anyone know more about the link between nystagmus & serotonin?

edit:: oh and yeah, speedy pig - you're on the ball man!
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Which area is this in? Might have to consider some lol

How do u guys feel the comedown? as in how clean is it? I know from contaminated speed i feel crap, hot cold flushes, butterflies in stomache and feelin over all crap.
 
And the brown oil I have no damn clue about. Maybe freebase or something. Meth freebase is supposed to be a liquid.
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Read my post in this thread. The stuff in the photo is impure, and contains appreciable amounts of solvent/s or water. It might still come across as strong, but that doesn't mean it's not impure, and that stuff definitely is impure. What results if a sample is heated gently via a heat lamp?
 
yeah I was getting this blue gear a while back, cant seem to get it again though. On another note though, just scored some tiny white crystal rocks ive only smoked 2 1/2points and im 6hrs in and a nice buzz still..

defntley some nice gear
 
noysy said:
yeah I was getting this blue gear a while back, cant seem to get it again though. On another note though, just scored some tiny white crystal rocks ive only smoked 2 1/2points and im 6hrs in and a nice buzz still..

defntley some nice gear
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hehe just railed 2 1/2 points of my stuff. I'm feeling pretty fucking good with myself so far.
 
Just curious guys, is there anyway possible to tell by tast or any other matter, if meth is Ketone meth?

I've got this shit lately, which is pretty much a solid rock. I havent tried the latest batch yet (see picture) only smoked a bit but i have a pretty big tolerance so didnt get much out of it.

Has a fairly different taste (when smoked) energy lasted all night. Not too much euphoria (my tolerance is pretty big atm so i just passed that off.)

I'll give it a go next weekend and see what happens then. Smokes up really nicely though, heres a pic of the rock

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(sorry i couldnt link directly , my browser is screwing up) cheers :)
 
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keytone meth has a very distinct taste...you'll know when you have some!

what ever that is its looking very tempting for a man who has just finished a 5-day run :|
 
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http://img10.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stuffnxw.jpg

(sorry i couldnt link directly , my browser is screwing up) cheers :)
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yep - that's definitely ketone
ketone tends to be 'rock' solid and therefore people assume it's going to be good... basically yeah, it will keep you awake but you won't get a buzz from it like you do wish pseudo.

it has good legs - don't get me wrong - but as for getting off chops, forget it.

also when you smell the top of the bowl after you've finished pulling a puff, ketone smoke has the distinct smell of cats piss. it also tends not to have a strong odour in the bag, whereas shit hot psuedo speed can be smelt a mile away =D =D =D

you get to tell the two apart in texture, smell and taste i guess when you've spent enough time around the two....never used to be so much ketone shit around but with all the raids there aint much choice for mainstream manufacturers *sigh*
 
Please stop referring to a product as ketone meth. It's sounds ridiculous to be honest. It is racemic if made via the ketone route, however other routes can also be used to produce a racemic mixture which don't go through the ketone. How do you all know the synth definitely involved reductive amination of P2P? Provide evidence of that someone please, or cease dribbling - ya'll sound like blind fools.

Smell and taste reflect impurities, that's it. And, if any chemist goes to the trouble of preparing meth via P2P, he certainly has the ability to clean it up. Remember, pure meth has NO SMELL, and NO COlOUR, whether it's racemic or not. Racemic meth will crystalise differently from the crystallised product of a pure enantiomer, and may have refractive properties that indicate a tint, but that's it. Grind it up to a powder and if pure, it will be white (but not all white is pure). Also, there are routes to the pure enantiomer that don't involve pseudoephedrine. Because these aren't widely practiced, it may very well be the chemicals for such syntheses are less watched or more easily diverted.

Anyway, let's refer to a product with terminology that reflects what is known about it. If you think you have an impure product produced via P2P, then do a test for ketone residue. Several tests can be used - most can be found online. I'll be willing to believe all this 'ketone talk' if/when someone can positively prove P2P is present in trace amounts in a final product. I'll eat my words then, but until then, some of you may need to wipe your chins :\
 
PD - not to understate your extensive knowledge on all things chem-related, but the physical effects yielded by 'P2P'-synthed meth are dramatically different to that of it's alternate variety. happy to be branded a dribbling fool if that aids your perspective on the situation, but up close the two are quite remarkably different - and being able to tell them apart is about as easy as differentiating between md-xx and piperazines.
that said i encountered some pseudo-speed that looks a lot like that cola rock last night, not the strongest on the planet but at least it didn't smell like cats piss :D
anyway, that's that. someone post some more pics plz - love a bit of eye candy on the boards, hehe.
 
Woah, a lot of chemistry involved here. Do they teach this stuff at university? ahah
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Depending upon the course you take, some elements of this may be included. I would expect courses in Forensic chemistry would cover profiling of drugs to indicate route of manufacture. Retrosynthesis is taught in general organic chemistry. It's used to identify possible synthesis routes to a particular compound by working backwards from the product (sometimes more tricky than it seems). In forensics, a proposed route may be validated by analytical evidence i.e. impurities, which can indicate every step used in the manufacture.

Also, some processes of drug synthesis serve as good examples of particular reactions and are often referred to. My first year org chem book (still adopted by many institutions) uses the synthesis of amphetamine from P2P as an example of reductive amination. The thing is, it's not "a lot" of chemistry, in fact, it's all pretty basic stuff really. By third year org chem, students are familiar with selective reducing agents and so cover this part of the subject in reasonable detail.

PD - not to understate your extensive knowledge on all things chem-related, but the physical effects yielded by 'P2P'-synthed meth are dramatically different to that of it's alternate variety.
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I fully realise racemic meth produces a different effect from the d-enantiomer. That's not in question.


My problem with the content of this thread was the referring to racemic meth as 'ketone' speed, when it could have just as easily been made via another route which doesn't go via the ketone. It might very well have been done by the said reduction, but it might just as easily have been produced via another (non-P2P) route - check out the old alt.drugs boards, one of which ran a speed synth competition back in the late 90's. I won't go into detail on these methods, but rest assured phenylpropan-2-one is not involved in some of the possible synth routes to meth.

The correct term for a mixture of enantiomers is racemic. Use it, or continue to be pulled up, as without further evidence of the said reduction you're essentially guessing as to how it's made. Besides that, the term is misleading. I've received more than one email from HR workers and professionals asking what the term 'ketone' meant. Next you'll have some kid thinking all ketones might be psychoactive, a mistake which could very well have life threatening consequences.

So please use the correct terminology.
 
That brown chunk photo above. Is just speed compressed into a ball - not washed and crystalised - so hey an sell it as ice for twice or more the price.
 
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