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yeah I enjoyed dexies, but they don't compare to decent meth.

Strangely enough, I also found the comedown far, far worse. It takes a lot of meth to give me a bad comedown, but just 65mg of dexamphetamine over the course of 6 hours or so left me feeling like complete ass until I managed to get some sleep 6 hours after first coming down.

With meth sleep isn't much easier, but it isn't nearly as much of an emotional rollercoaster. Unless I've been going past the 48 hour mark the comedown is usually just a period of discomfort and mild edginess.
 
Dexies are totally diff to sulphate. I find ice to be boring sometimes. Where as on sulphate its fun haha its hard to explain. If u doen both ud understand n see the diff. I see ur point of view tho.
 
In what way is dexies different to sulphlate? Is the amphetamine sulphlate in EU usually racemic instead of D isomer? That is the only real difference I could think of that there might be.
 
What I mean is that isn't dexies just dextrorotary isomer amphetamine sulphlate? Does this mean what you refer to as amphetamine sulphlate is racemic amphetamine sulphlate or mayve even levorotary isomer? I don't know much about amphetamine sulphlate and maybe dexamphetamine isn't what I thought but I always figured they were pretty much the same thing?
 
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I really wonder how much of these difference's are just in ones head. Like a double blind between the different meths with drug "experts" or between meth vrs amp.

I have a hard time believeing that someone can be so finely tuned to spot subtle differences (not that it doesnt happen) but I think people are probably convinceing themselvs and asociating evidence to match.


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each to their own but when something becomes part of your everyday life for almost a decade and you are consumed into it's environment....differences become less subtle!

interesting to note the varied responses, for working I actually prefer d-amp (dex) over d or d/l methamp as the later causes uber hyper focus, which can be very disruptive if you need to get a certain task done. For cutting loose its definitely d-methamp all the way.
Only get comedowns from big runs, having a good one-day innings on the gear really doesn't bother me one bit.

susatron - keen to hear your experiences on the differences between d/l-amp sulph & d-amp sulph......I've never had to chance to sample racemic sulphate and am intrigued on the differences that you refer to

vecktor - what is the common method used in the EU for d/l amp?

and I too have always been miffed as to why methamp is rare in EU.....especially when pseudo is freely available over the counter and ya local Boots with no restrictions or monitoring.
 
static_mind said:
I really wonder how much of these difference's are just in ones head. Like a double blind between the different meths with drug "experts" or between meth vrs amp.

I have a hard time believeing that someone can be so finely tuned to spot subtle differences (not that it doesnt happen) but I think people are probably convinceing themselvs and asociating evidence to match.
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Although there have already been 5 bazillion discussions on BL to this effect... Clearly you are not very well versed in the art of smoking/taking meth. Because the two are so distinctly different, that any hardcore pseudo head such as myself, who has (unfortunately) seen more batches of speed & ice throughout this lifetime than the average drug taker ever would... would have no trouble distinguishing the two.
Ketone just doesn't give you 'that' kind of high that an equivalent amount of pseudo would. Simple. I'm not going to list the physiological effects because I know I've done it countless times before... not gonna drone on yet again.
 
Would you think that dosage has something to do with the subjective differences perceived in dexies vs amp-sulphate?

Dexies being only 10mg per pill, you would need to take a fair few to get anywhere near the dosage of amp you get from a bag of quality goey.

Although, I do agree, the racemic amp-sulphate speed you get in the UK is definitely has a lot more intensity to it than plain d-amp. Dexies, even in high doeses have a noticeably anxiolytic effect on myself, where as the speed they sell in the mother country has none of that, its all systems go go go.
 
Crankinit said:
yeah I enjoyed dexies, but they don't compare to decent meth.

Strangely enough, I also found the comedown far, far worse. It takes a lot of meth to give me a bad comedown, but just 65mg of dexamphetamine over the course of 6 hours or so left me feeling like complete ass until I managed to get some sleep 6 hours after first coming down.

With meth sleep isn't much easier, but it isn't nearly as much of an emotional rollercoaster. Unless I've been going past the 48 hour mark the comedown is usually just a period of discomfort and mild edginess.
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50mg dex on the come down had me paranoid as fuck and a complete wreck. Does every time. So bad the thought of them makes me sick.
HOWEVER, dexies leave me with no depression or anything else similar over the next few days.

Meth provides barely any immediate come down for me (large doses over extended periods and I pass out as soon as I'm comfortable) but leaves me horribly unhappy for about a week after use.
 
Jakeperson;7663475 Meth provides barely any immediate come down for me (large doses over extended periods and I pass out as soon as I'm comfortable) but leaves me horribly unhappy for about a week after use.[/QUOTE said:
For me, there is the High Phase (16 - 20 hours) the sleepless comedown phase (12 - 16 hours) the enhanced creativity phase (10 - 15 hours) and the I-just-wanna-sleep Phase (a few days)

Doing that stuff much more than 2 - 3 times a year is a receipe for life disaster.
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fasteddie said:
For me, there is the High Phase (16 - 20 hours) the sleepless comedown phase (12 - 16 hours) the enhanced creativity phase (10 - 15 hours) and the I-just-wanna-sleep Phase (a few days)

Doing that stuff much more than 2 - 3 times a year is a receipe for life disaster.
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Depending on how much and what method I use to ingest it, but the longest I have ever been high (or what I would call high) for from a single dose is 6 hours. Can usually sleep after 12 hours.

Guess I'm lucky. The depression after wards for me is way too much though, and too subtle.
 
Depending on how much and what method I use to ingest it, but the longest I have ever been high (or what I would call high) for from a single dose is 6 hours. Can usually sleep after 12 hours.
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Sounds about correct, I always say you should never dose within 12 hours of when you want to go to sleep.

6 hours sounds about right for eating, snorting/smoking seems to knock it down to 4 or 5.
 
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It's almost more economical, infact I think it is to just buy dexies (d-amp) off the black market then bother with meth, unless you smoke or IV it, then itd be worth getting the meth.

I only ever snorted meth (very rarely had it orally intentionally, would have had it by accident in Es lots of times though), and considering the price and the relative high/comedown, I just buy dexies now. Sure, the buzz is weaker and lasts shorter, but its essentially the same feeling, with less craziness I guess heh. Aus street drugs are just stupidly expensive. Don't take this post the wrong way, the high from meth kicks the high from d-amps ass, just saying, you'll probably get alot more out of $x worth of d-amp vs $x worth of meth.

Having said all that, if your a frequent meth user (ESPECIALLY if you smoke it or IV it) your tolerance will probably be too high to get full enjoyment from dex anyway.
 
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I wish dexies came in a higher doseage that made snorting them viable. You need 20 - 30mg for a decent dose, and that's far more powder than you can fit up your nostrils. You can snort 1 or 2 for a fast kick then eat another 3 or 4, but it's not the same by any means.

Also the awful comedown :( 12 hours on meth will leave me a little drained, but 12 hours on dexies leaves me hating the world. It's a short, weaker, less versatile buzz with a far worse comedown. The only upside is the price I guess.
 
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I agree 5mg tabs makes it hard to get a good amphet high from them. That was until I opened my mind up to plugging.

40 - 60 mg dex-amp plugged in a liquid solution and your fucking flying man. It really is that much better then oral/snorting imo.

I find that interesting about the comedown too, the dexie comedown is much more immediate and short lasting and generally more painful (I don't find it that bad though - compared to some other drugs). While the meth comedown doesn't hit you suddenly and your whirring mind just slowly begins to slow down, I still find it worse because it makes me depressed as hell for several days after. I feel like shit/tired the day after dexies then thats it, its over.

But then again... I pretty much NEVER take a stimulant unless I have various downers for the comedown.
 
I'd be happy to try plugging, but stimulants are usually a social drug for me, and you can't just duck into the bathroom or your car, dissolve your pills and squirt them up your bum then get back to the party, the way you can with snorting or smoking.

The meth comedown is definately a lot more subtle than the dexie comedown, and longer lasting, but I still maintain that it's more or less negligible until you go past the 24 hour mark. Once you do things can turn nasty, and yeah it tends to be a much more extensive, pervasive thing. You don't even realise how shitty you feel the day after a run until you recover, whereas with dexies you just feel so shitty that it's easy to write it off as 'it's just the drugs' and ignore it till it goes away in a few hours.

I wonder why that is, meth is stronger and longer lasting, it'd only be logical for meth to result in a far more painful crash. Only thing I can think of is if redosing somehow worsens the comedown, since I found with dexies I was redosing constantly, whereas with meth I can smoke a bowl and be nice and buzzed for the next 4 - 6 hours.
 
Maybe the half-life is responsible, as it causes the experience to be gradual, I imagine it'd also cause the comedown effect to be very gradual. And comedowns like that seem to be easier to tolerate then abrupt comedown drugs like mdma, d-amp, cocaine/crack (never tried) but the worst of all for me is methylphenidate, and I'm pretty sure that works in a similar way to cocaine.

Yeah, I've only ever plugged d-amph in my room. Wouldn't be too hard to do if your out... depending on many circumstances heh, haven't tried myself.

Plugged 50mg d-amp today actually, was very euphoric, kicks in harder then snorting and feels so much cleaner, very little body load like you'd get with snorting d-amphetamine.

I imagine plugging meth would be fucking awesome.
 
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