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Blocking of MDMA precursors into AUs.

netcrusher

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I got this email back from the chemicaltestkit team:

The precursors for mdma have been blocked since 2004, i havent seen mdma for a long time. a majority of stuff getting around is PMA it producessimilar effects to mdma. so in short yes we do go back to alcohol and yetthe police bitch about all the piss fueled violence, iv always likemushrooms if you can get some good golden tops dryed properly that wouldbe the go. eat in moderation same as anything tho



From: [email protected]

I just asked how much MDMA he was seeing come through his way in Melbourne lol 8o
 
Last year 33 tonnes of sassafras oil that FFI helped to seize was destroyed by the Cambodian government and the Australian police, who claimed it could have been used to produce 245m ecstasy tablets with a street value of £4.82bn.

Why target a drug that spreads so much love? It just means an increase in PMA and meth labs and more alcohol consumption. The bottom line is MDMA every 3 months is the perfect solution to a lot of society's problems. We are just going to let them win? We need to protest like the pot heads lol ... we rlly do :(
 
yeh things are getting tough man, 33 tonnes of oil is quite alot. would have done fantastic things to the avaliablilty of what we all want.
 
The real problem which myself and many other BLers have recently pointed out, is the flood of high grade meth and heroin since the MDMA shortage (which has a lot to do with the current lack of precursors you have brought up).

These drugs are way more addictive and can cause a lot more harm to the user

I have always been an advocate for psychedelic drugs such as mushrooms and LSD but these drugs certainly aren't for everyone.

Alcohol fueled violence, although sensationalized in the media, is currently a real threat to anyone heading out to have a good time (unless you are yourself one of these drunken dickheads that likes to fight).

Gone are the days of walking into a club full of happy people and being hugged by the cute girlfriends of a 6'6 body builders without the slightest threat of having your body pummeled like a rag doll.

If you're lucky, the club you are in will be full of people on mephedrone and other RC's instead of speed freaks and piss heads. This still isn't close to the PLUR felt in clubs from the 90's through to 2006ish

The club scene has lost the love for now. All we can hope for is a return to the glory days but I wouldn't hold your breath.

There is one scene that still has plenty of PLUR and i'm sure some of my fellow hippies would agree ;)

Yes, the Cambodian clean up hurt us Aussies but another massive factor was this bust which took out the main guys importing pills to our fair land. This is why there wasn't an instant drop in quality pills after 2004, they were being imported from places like Holland.

This could be the way to get safrole in Australia in future. I actually believe this is responsible for the last few batches of damn fine MDMA crystal I have had the pleasure of trying over the past couple of years, other than some Canadian crystal that has been around from time to time.

*edit* I'd say Cinnamomum Camphora is the most likely candidate for distilling safrole.... All you young budding chemists... wink wink, nudge nudge... I'm a deviate LOL :D

There was recently a safrole refining lab bust in Aus which is bad but could be a sign of change

The law makers need to pull their heads out of their asses and face the fact that people will get high on anything that's available, no matter what they try to impose

Shouldn't they be providing the safest drugs possible for this very reason?

Prohibition doesn't work, it only leads to:

*Rich war loads, gangs and mafia families

*Impure drugs

*Dangerous drug taking behaviour

People have been getting high for thousands of years

The first drug law was made in 1914 when the addiction rate was 1% YES 1%

It's a no brainer 8)
 
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Here cocaine has the highest profit margin over all drugs ...

importing mdxx or the oil like the olds days would be not worth it .... smaller shipments of oils or pills may get through but cocaine is easier to produce than mdxx as its extracted directly from the leafs.Its all about how much money the people importing can make from the shipment and cocaine will always be in ahead.

Distilling the oil here seems to be popular these days ...

Oh and about alcohol violence seems to be a fair statement that with the decline of mdxx and increase in consumption of alcohol is were the trouble is ...

We have heard before with police saying things are alot quieter and peaceful when people are high on ecstasy and alcohol is making their jobs harder.
 
very very well said psilo, i too have noticed the quality increase of meth etc.

What you said is the reason i dislike going clubbing persay, whilst i tend to get along fine with, hell even am friends with alot of the drunken idiots who want to fight, there is just a general lack of a happy atmosphere in most clubs nowadays.

Instead of going somewhere and being able to high 5 anyone, your walking into a place where someone would just give you death stares if you tried such a thing.

I havnt been lucky enough to run into any of the mdma getting around, although ive heard its around. perhaps someday.
Perhaps someday the flood gates will open and the quality will shoot up.

Until then, im currently looking down the psycadelic road, having recently tried DMT and lsd for the first time, i have realised psychadelics are truly amazing, and wish to look into them further as i feel they have alot to offer, especially DMT, however, i dont think anything for me will ever compare to a good, clean, high loading mdma pill.

/end heartbreak :P
 
Good point kingpin, I forgot to add cocaine which is currently selling like hot cakes

Let's not forget the profit margins for MDMA in Australia are MASSIVE but you're right, there's way more money in other substances and this is more appealing to criminal organizations.

They've killed off MDMA which leads to a prevalence of serious drugs of addiction

Who has a night on MDMA and wants to fiend pills all week?

Not many people (plus the fact that it ceases to effect you)

Coke, meth, heroin on the other hand...

Many of us have been there... Myself included!

The cops are currently run off their feet

Many cops have stated how easy MDMA fueled crowds are to control compared with alcohol fueled crowds.
 
I don't think his post was thought through...

It's all 3 factors

Lack of easily accessable precursors is definitely a factor. Ruling that out is plain stupid (no offense)

It's currently easier to get other drugs in, some of which have higher profit margins and also take less refinement than MDMA... cha ching $$$

And last but not least... The main players got an ass raping in 2008 and it could be a while before anyone takes over from them. So in that respect igloo is correct but you can't rule out the other major factors

I'd be surprised if anyone comes close to those import numbers (in the 2008 bust) any time soon. It's well worth it, if, you can pull it off. The reason we have the biggest ecstasy busts on earth is because of our over inflated prices. It makes financial sense to import tonnes at a time to this 20 something million population on an island in the middle of nowhere.

The best we can currently hope for is a 'Holland connection'. I'm sure there's some MDMA entrepreneur's eying off the Australian market as we sit here bitching. There's just too much money to be made

BTW congrats on the mod job student, pillreports is awash with bunk pills at the moment. Must be fun? lol
 
I don't doubt that someone will eventually step in to fill the void, there's just too much demand, it's just a question of when.
 
All this bitching reminds me of the LSD drought a couple of years back

Some older BL crew may remember how bad that got for a while?

I expect a similar turn around with MDMA in future

Ive been assuming in my mind that something like this will happen (although i was nowhere near psychadelics when there was an lsd drought)

But i believe it to be safe to assume that, in time, there will be alot of quality mdma around again, (much like there appears to be alot of quality lsd around) may take years, but when it happens ill be there. At the time of the mdma coming back i believe there will be a drought of another drug. Just a never ending cycle.
 
PsiloSubNaut said:
All this bitching reminds me of the LSD drought a couple of years back

Some older BL crew may remember how bad that got for a while?

I expect a similar turn around with MDMA in future


You're quite possibly right, but a major element that needs to be remembered is the ease of transporting LSD compared to MDMA - potency being the big consideration here. There's also aspects of the various syntheses, and the organisation surrounding distribution which makes it difficult to compare the ease of fulfilling the market demand for LSD with that for MDMA. Market size is also a big factor with LSD. Less users-> less attention-> less focus by LE.


Lack of easily accessable precursors is definitely a factor.

It's definitely a factor, but not necessarily the limiting one. OTC routes still exist, but it's the starting material for these routes that would limit most would bees IMO. While it can be found in C. Camphora, as I've detailed before, isolation is not as simple as it sounds and the scale of operations needed to supply a commercial market would be big i.e. not a typical backyard operation.

I'm sure there are those around who are both inclined and able to extract the alkene, but perhaps most decide the rewards simply don't compensate the effort and risks involved.
 
I don't think his post was thought through...


BTW congrats on the mod job student, pillreports is awash with bunk pills at the moment. Must be fun? lol

Thanks Psilo, well hopefully the drought won't take take too long to be gone, and then I can Mod all the beautiful pills when they come back :P I've noticed slight improvements in the quality over the last 6 weeks, compared with the few months before hand... fingers crossed lads =D
 
You're quite possibly right, but a major element that needs to be remembered is the ease of transporting LSD compared to MDMA - potency being the big consideration here.

I'm fully aware of the difference in potency. I was just mentioning that it almost disappeared and then made a major come back over night.

For those who don't know much about the potency of these chemicals...

1g MDMA= less than 10 full doses

1g LSD= 10,000 doses

I'd like to add that this drought has been a good thing for the large percentage of weekly MDMA users that weren't turning up to work early in the week. So it's not all bad :)
 
Even with all the amphetamine lab busts they still never put a decent dint in the market as has happened with the MDMA market.

Australia has plenty of remote country with farms (big sheds) that would be perfect for manufacturing drugs so I wouldn't rule that out completely. With all the correct equipment and chemicals it wouldn't be a bad idea to hide out bush or in the desert manufacturing drugs such as MDMA.

The remote Canadian wilderness is more than partly responsible for the current drug boom over there...
 
I doubt MDMA production will ever be huge in Australia.

Can't say I completely agree with this, it wasn't long ago at all that we had that big ecstasy lab busted, and many people were speculating that they could've been working for someone else - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=485846&page=2

Whilst it is hard to get going, and the risks may be high. The profit margin of homegrown MDMA is through the roof. But only time will tell...
 
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Thanks Psilo, well hopefully the drought won't take take too long to be gone, and then I can Mod all the beautiful pills when they come back :P I've noticed slight improvements in the quality over the last 6 weeks, compared with the few months before hand... fingers crossed lads =D

Still looks pretty abysmal unfortunately. The only thing not adulterated that seems to be going around is those white cherries and they are being compared to incredibles of last year which IMO were medium/low MDMA.

Psilo: haha you make a good point about the MDMA drought been a good thing for regular pill munchers, as they have to have a break. I was doing alot of pills for the last two years (2008 - hard every weekend).So this drought has been a bit of a blessing for me. Not wasting as much money, feeling healthier and happier.
 
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