Tryptamines Black out DMT trips and not flipping the fuck out

[ErgotFiend]

Hello beautiful people.

I have for a few years now been able to (with lots of preparation) handle these ++++ type hallucinogenic trips. By that I mean the level where one has an out of body experiences that is very lucid and visually vivid. I have had such doses so many times now, and I find navigating them to be fully within my own volition. It's simply a matter of me taking the time to prepare beforehand and the experience I've gained from previous trips [easier said than done ].

With dmt at this sort of dose range I find if I just stay cool for a while, the trip gets very euphoric and I can just relax.

With dmt mixed with salvia at this intensity, I find I have to remain focused. But, it's still within my control. (feels like yoga for the mind, in a good way)

Even if I lose any ability to know what drugs I'm on or how I got where I am, I find there's a level of control.

BUT, when I go beyond this dose, to just blacking out, whether or not I flip out seems to be entirely random. There's not even anything in particular that scares me about this while I'm sober because it is such meaningless fear. It feels like I'm a child again, having a temper-tantrum. I experienced this again recently while already on acid, and it took ages to calm myself down after. Everything just hurts for no discernable reason. Everything is scary. 5-MEO-DMT seems particularly geared towards inducing such trips.

Any experience surviving black outs? Any techniques to ride such an intense wave? Is it worth it to even take these kinds of doses?

 

[ErgotFiend]

this week I was able to try out DMT mixed with an already pretty intense mix of LSD and DXM.

I was able to have two black out level experiences. I slightly panicked, but managed to recover during the first.
The second went swimmingly.

I still need a lot more practice but what seemed to help was chanting a mantra, like “ACCEPTANCE” or “I CAN DO THIS” to suppress any anxious thoughts.

When i started to panic during the comedown, I was able to channel my anxieties and extreme confusion into an anger. I gritted my teeth and flexed my arms and shouted, “ I CAN DO THIS!”

Seemed to help ; )

 

[General alcazar]

I once accidentally injected 75mg-ish of 5meodmt. I thought it was something else, and realized my mistake about 0.7 ml into the shot.
I have no idea what happened. Woke in my trashed bedroom, my laptop screen bent 90 degrees, with bruises all over and a palpable whack to the head. I only remember the realizing I took something hallucinogenic, then coming to all banged up with no recollection of what occurred and completely sober, whereas a few minutes before I was two days into shooting pyros and 2fma. It was a wake up call for me. Prior to this, the most 5meo I’d done was 30 mg vaporized. I remember that one, though can’t say it was recreational. I really haven’t had the urge to use 5meodmt since then..

 

[pupnik]

I think by exploring the blackout area of drug overload, you are wasting good drugs and putting yourself at risk. @ErgotFiend
learning to remain calm in the face of the unfamiliar is excellent. (not exactly a matter of control, but of valuable conditioned relaxation practices kicking in reflexively)
blackout is when the apparatus of mind cannot function, the layered feedback becomes intense and the exhausted neurons cease firing. very funny maybe, as long as you don't depend on those neurons.
Trying to conquer blackout is bravado, and bravado is not a sensible direction for mind exploration

 

[KriptonitXxx]

Merhaba güzel insanlar.

Birkaç yıldır (çok fazla hazırlıkla) bu ++++ tipi halüsinasyon deneyimlerini yönetebiliyorum. Bununla kastettiğim, kişinin son derece berrak ve görsel olarak canlı bir beden dışı deneyim yaşadığı seviye. Bu dozları birçok kez aldım ve bunları tamamen kendi irademle yönetebildiğimi görüyorum. Bu sadece önceden hazırlanmak için zaman ayırmam ve önceki deneyimlerden edindiğim tecrübeyle ilgili bir şey [söylemesi yapmaktan daha kolay ].

Bu doz aralığında DMT kullanırken, bir süre sakin kalırsam, deneyimin çok öforik hale geldiğini ve rahatlayabildiğimi fark ediyorum.

DMT'yi salvia ile bu yoğunlukta karıştırdığımda, odaklanmam gerektiğini fark ediyorum. Ama yine de kontrolüm altında. (İyi anlamda zihin için yoga gibi geliyor.)

Hangi uyuşturucuları kullandığımı veya bu duruma nasıl geldiğimi bilme yeteneğimi tamamen kaybetsem bile, bir tür kontrolün var olduğunu düşünüyorum.

Ancak, bu dozun ötesine geçip tamamen kendimden geçtiğimde, çıldırıp çıldırmayacağım tamamen rastgele görünüyor. Ayıkken bile beni korkutan özel bir şey yok çünkü bu çok anlamsız bir korku. Sanki tekrar bir çocuk gibi öfke nöbeti geçiriyorum. Bunu yakın zamanda asit etkisi altındayken tekrar yaşadım ve sonrasında kendimi sakinleştirmem çok uzun sürdü. Her şey sebepsiz yere acıyor. Her şey korkutucu. 5-MEO-DMT özellikle bu tür deneyimleri tetiklemeye yönelik gibi görünüyor.

Bayılma durumlarından sağ kurtulma konusunda herhangi bir deneyiminiz var mı? Bu kadar yoğun bir dalgayı atlatmak için herhangi bir teknik var mı? Bu tür dozları almak gerçekten buna değer mi?

:boğulmuş:

Kendini tutarsan vede komik bir anıyla kahkahayla başlarsan sabit bir yerde durursan vede yüksekliği düşük asma katlı mealen

 

[KriptonitXxx]

Kendini tutarsan ve komik bir anıyla gülmeye başlarsan sabit bir yerde durur ve söner düşük asmakatmanlı yemek

Yksek olmayan bina mana itibari ile

 

[KriptonitXxx]

Kapıyı sıııca örttr 4 5 6 saklannn.

 

[ErgotFiend]

I once accidentally injected 75mg-ish of 5meodmt. I thought it was something else, and realized my mistake about 0.7 ml into the shot.
I have no idea what happened. Woke in my trashed bedroom, my laptop screen bent 90 degrees, with bruises all over and a palpable whack to the head. I only remember the realizing I took something hallucinogenic, then coming to all banged up with no recollection of what occurred and completely sober, whereas a few minutes before I was two days into shooting pyros and 2fma. It was a wake up call for me. Prior to this, the most 5meo I’d done was 30 mg vaporized. I remember that one, though can’t say it was recreational. I really haven’t had the urge to use 5meodmt since then..

This definitely gives me pause. I had a somewhat similar, but less extreme experience to this from a combination of smoked dmt and salvia (on top of some acid ). After I blacked out, I spent the next 5 minutes thrashing about my bed. I kept just yelling " this is horrible!" between wordless groans, weeping, and an abundance of confusion. Luckily, nothing fragile was nearby.
But oh my gosh the idea of being blacked out that long is bad news.
I guess my question keeps coming up because I frequently get the urge to take DMT while already tripping and often accidentally overdose. It wasn't a problem the most recent time, but it very well could be again.
Maybe planning out doses in advance should be part of my harm reduction, because this happens almost every time I trip now.

 

[ErgotFiend]

I think by exploring the blackout area of drug overload, you are wasting good drugs and putting yourself at risk. @ErgotFiend
learning to remain calm in the face of the unfamiliar is excellent. (not exactly a matter of control, but of valuable conditioned relaxation practices kicking in reflexively)
blackout is when the apparatus of mind cannot function, the layered feedback becomes intense and the exhausted neurons cease firing. very funny maybe, as long as you don't depend on those neurons.
Trying to conquer blackout is bravado, and bravado is not a sensible direction for mind exploration

Yeah, last trip I sort of realized that the black outs aren't even particularly interesting to look back on. The lower doses that feature actual plots are the ones that I remember most fondly and get the most value out of. Can't express enough how much this forum and veterans like y'all have contributed to my journey.

 

[pupnik]

Kapıyı sıııca örttr 4 5 6 saklannn.

It's funny to say that, but - not much can be done when the dose is more than entertaining.
I like to think that happens accidentally sometimes, but when it is planned to be a test of bravery, that is not so funny.

 

[WickedCalamity]

Hello beautiful people.

I have for a few years now been able to (with lots of preparation) handle these ++++ type hallucinogenic trips. By that I mean the level where one has an out of body experiences that is very lucid and visually vivid. I have had such doses so many times now, and I find navigating them to be fully within my own volition. It's simply a matter of me taking the time to prepare beforehand and the experience I've gained from previous trips [easier said than done ].

With dmt at this sort of dose range I find if I just stay cool for a while, the trip gets very euphoric and I can just relax.

With dmt mixed with salvia at this intensity, I find I have to remain focused. But, it's still within my control. (feels like yoga for the mind, in a good way)

Even if I lose any ability to know what drugs I'm on or how I got where I am, I find there's a level of control.

BUT, when I go beyond this dose, to just blacking out, whether or not I flip out seems to be entirely random. There's not even anything in particular that scares me about this while I'm sober because it is such meaningless fear. It feels like I'm a child again, having a temper-tantrum. I experienced this again recently while already on acid, and it took ages to calm myself down after. Everything just hurts for no discernable reason. Everything is scary. 5-MEO-DMT seems particularly geared towards inducing such trips.

Any experience surviving black outs? Any techniques to ride such an intense wave? Is it worth it to even take these kinds of doses?

I find 5- MEO to be quite painful and fear inducing, not just while high, but weeks or even months later I'll have random paranoid freak outs where I'm in absolute terror.

I've cut it out of my spiritual regimen all together as I've never had any insights from it.

I still find regular DMT very helpful when I'm stuck. I use a tuning fork to "turn it on" and then ask a question.

 

[KriptonitXxx]

Bunu söyleyebilmek komik olabilir ama, düzinelerce eğlenceden fazlası yaşanabilir pek bir şey kalır.
Bazen bunun kazara olduğunu düşünmeyi seviyorum, ama eğer bu bir cesaret testi olarak planlanmışsa, o kadar da komik değil.

Aldıktan sonra 3 saat yada 5 saat kadar sonra halisunasyonlar bitmişti ama yoğun korku atağı içindeydim halusinasyonlar izinsizce hoştu için normal dünyaya giderken panik bir haldeydim tutabiliyordum tutmasına ama işte aniden karar alip gözükme fikri yoğun bastı Hastaneye koşarak gitti doktorların gözüme cellat gibi gözüktü baktıktan sonra yarım saate kadar sonra geldim sonra enteresan bir şekilde tuhaf bir huzur hissettim gün boyunca

 

[pupnik]

Aldıktan sonra 3 saat yada 5 saat kadar sonra halisunasyonlar bitmişti ama yoğun korku atağı içindeydim halusinasyonlar izinsizce hoştu için normal dünyaya giderken panik bir haldeydim tutabiliyordum tutmasına ama işte aniden karar alip gözükme fikri yoğun bastı Hastaneye koşarak gitti doktorların gözüme cellat gibi gözüktü baktıktan sonra yarım saate kadar sonra geldim sonra enteresan bir şekilde tuhaf bir huzur hissettim gün boyunca

as the heavy dose faded into something more manageable you clearly got to enjoy it,
that is why I recommend lower doses, aiming for the enjoyment and skipping the whole emergency panic hospital insanity.

Ağır dozun etkisi daha yönetilebilir bir seviyeye indiğinde, bundan keyif almaya başladığınız açıkça görülüyor.İşte bu yüzden daha düşük dozları öneriyorum; amaç keyif almak ve acil panik hastane çılgınlığından kaçınmak.

 

[KriptonitXxx]

Ağır dozun etkisi daha yönetilebilir bir seviyeye indikçe, bundan keyif aldığınız açıkça belliydi.
Bu yüzden daha düşük dozları öneriyorum; amaç keyif almak ve acil panik havasında hastane çılgınlığından kaçınmaktır.

Ağır dozun etkisi daha yönetilebilir bir seviyeye indiğinde, bu sırada keyif almaya başladığınız görülüyor.İşte bu nedenle daha düşük dozları öneriyorum; amaç keyif almak ve acil panik hastanenin çılgınlığından faydalan

 

[KriptonitXxx]

midtown maddnes ​

 

[pupnik]

this is reality, nothing stays the same, however, things are similar enough that you can find your way home, or if that has been blocked, you can make a new home elsewhere

 

[KriptonitXxx]

Bu gerçek, hiçbir şey aynı kalmıyor; Ancak bazı şeyleri kapsayan oldukça az ki, eve dönüş yolunuzu bulabilirsiniz, ya da yolunuz engellenmişse, başka bir yerde yeni bir yuva kurabilirsiniz.

Aynı kalıptan çıkan ruhlar birbirlerini tanıyormuş gibi olduklarından bir söz okumuştum evet çok doğru iletişim kurdunuz değerli tavsiyenize içtenlikle bağlanmak temennim o ki yolda kalmamak.

 

[pupnik]

 

[yoyoman]

I once accidentally injected 75mg-ish of 5meodmt. I thought it was something else, and realized my mistake about 0.7 ml into the shot.
I have no idea what happened. Woke in my trashed bedroom, my laptop screen bent 90 degrees, with bruises all over and a palpable whack to the head. I only remember the realizing I took something hallucinogenic, then coming to all banged up with no recollection of what occurred and completely sober, whereas a few minutes before I was two days into shooting pyros and 2fma. It was a wake up call for me. Prior to this, the most 5meo I’d done was 30 mg vaporized. I remember that one, though can’t say it was recreational. I really haven’t had the urge to use 5meodmt since then..

I actually had something similar happen one time years ago where I vaped too much 5-meo-dmt, and all i remember, is waking up in the same room but certain things in the room were moved... and i don't remember moving them

 

[pupnik]

I accidentally got some 5meoDMT instead of nnDMT.
I do not like 5meoDMT, not even a tiny bit.