bk-MDMA and bk-MBDB dosage advice when mixed..

[coyo]

bk-MDMA and bk-MBDB are two research chemicals I'm interested in.

I am wondering if anyone has an advice on the subject of mixing these two. I was thinking 200mg 5-HTP, 120mg bk-MDMA, and 180mg bk-MBDBm but this might be an excessive dose.

I am planning on using a milligram scale, capsule filler machine, and such to prepare capsules of 99+% pure compounds. The pills are just for me and my immediate friends.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated, and I thank you in advance!

Thanks for everything, guys!

 

[Bsiren]

Do not pre-load with 5-htp- this will diminish the effects. It's designed for the day after to help keep your serotonin up when it has dipped- I don't find it necessary after bk-MDMA.

Have you tried either of these two separately?

I enjoy bk-MDMA in the 200 mg range on it's own personally. Everyone is different though.

 

[coyo]

thank you, Bsiren. I really appreciate the rapid response.

Dont preload with 5-HTP? okay.

I have tried bk-MDMA before it was scheduled, and enormously enjoyed it. it was an experience i will treasure forever.

bk-MDMA is somewhat difficult to acquire, so I want to "cut" it with the easier-to-obtaine bk-MBDB, in order to make a few grams of bk-MDMA last longer.

 

[Bsiren]

Gotcha- having never tried bk-MDBD, I can't offer you advice there, other than I'd do research to see what combos experience users suggest, and it it's worth mixing. You would not want to cut down on your beloved stash of bk-MDMA by tainting it with something that would make the experience less exciting.

I find bk-MDMA extremely fun, but I have heard mixed reviews on bk-MDBD. I would suggest perhaps trying bk-MDBD on it's own if you could, as you do not know what this combo will do for you.

 

[coyo]

That sounds wise, Bsiren. I'll definitely try bk-MBDB on its own, but after extensive research, it seems that it's overall pretty good. i hear some reports on erowid that you can get this kindof nervous energy, and that you have to consciously "channel" it.

Other than that, it seems to have the empathogenic and entactogenic properties I want, and I've discussed mixing these two with my supplier, and he says that he's tried mixing the two with positive results.

If anyone here has tried bk-MBDB, and has any advice to offer, please feel free to speak up.

Bsiren: So you'd suggest taking 5-HTP /after/ beginning to come down from the bk-MDMA?

 

[coyo]

obtw, i'm also thinking about adding some 2C-T-2 to the mix, about 25mg of it, lowering the dose of the bk-MDMA to 80mg, and keeping the bk-MBDB dose at 150mg. What do you guys think?

 

[trip.more]

2C-T-2 has MAOI properties so that combo isn't a good idea.

 

[Bsiren]

5-HTP is going to diminish your "roll" if you take it beforehand, especially in the case of a gentle entactogen like bk-MDMA and bk-MDBD. Don't do it! Wait until the full day afterwards if you need it, it's for recovery, not for pre-loading. Get some piracetam to enhance your experience with any of these.

2c-T-2 is something to be enjoyed on it's own, it's a worthwhile chemical in it's own right and not similar to bk-MDMA. I find my favorite combo of RCs to be bk-MDMA+4-FA, if you enjoy bk-MDMA, I wouldn't try to "extend the stash" by adding something that gives a nervous energy to the experience or potentially overpowers it. I find I roll much harder on 120 mgs of bk-MDMA + 50 mgs of 4-FA than I do a full 250 mgs of bk-MDMA on it's own.

If you're dead-set on combining the two, go for it- but I wouldn't throw the 2c-t-2 into the combo as this would be adding not one, but two chemicals you have not tried altogether along with your bk-MDMA.

 

[coyo]

trip.more: oh, okay, i didnt know that. i hear that people have done that before, and they enjoyed the experience, but if it's a MAOI, i can see i'll need to lower the dose on it at the very least. dont want to die of serotonin intoxication.

 

[coyo]

piracetam? really? i never would have thought of that. I didnt realize a racetam would enhance the experience.. racetams work on the acetylcholine and glutamate systems, and the ampa receptor, right? interesting. never would have considered that.

4-FA, huh? isnt that a bit stimmy? or am i confusing it with another similar one.. anyway, i generally want to emphasize the empathogenic effects by combining two dissimilar drugs, potentiating the effect.

I am definitely interested in using the law of multiplicative effect (potentiation) in my favor, in order to save on bk-MDMA, since it's so hard to come by, these days.

 

[coyo]

Okay, I wont preload with 5-HTP, and I wont add 2C-T-2, I'll put that in a separate pill. Should i lower the doses on bk-MDMA and bk-MBDB respectively, too, say 50mg bk-MDMA and 100mg bk-MBDB? or should i buy twice as much of each, and get 100mg of bk-MDMA and 200mg of bk-MBDB? I'm tempted to do the latter, since they are so cheap compared to 2C-T-2.

anyone?

I'm thinking of adding piracetam and a bit of 4-FA (or something similar, and easier to get) to enhance/extend the roll. Thanks, everyone, for your feedback.

 

[coyo]

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[coyo]

Slight change of topic:

Theoretically-speaking, what ingredients would you add to a capsule, if you had a milligram scale and a capsule filler machine?

Budget is not really an issue.

I was thinking methylone as the primary ingredient, mixed with piracetam and maybe a tiny bit of 2C-E and SWJ-018 as enhancers.

Turns out, methylone is a lot easier to get hold of then I first assumed. So saving the methylone is not really a big deal anymore.

I was thinking:

Methylone 200mg
Piracetam 200mg
2C-E 10mg
JWH-0818 2mg

Disclaimer/Note: I will, of course, take each of these by itself, to make sure there isnt a bad reaction, and to get used to the experience of each on it's own.

I will combine them gradually, making sure they interact well.

Any other advice would be greatly appreciated.

i hope that will all fit in a size 0 capsule. >.<

i may need to distribute that into 2 capsules.

Dont worry, guys, I'm not ignoring your warnings about combining drugs. i'll take each individually, and test them out, first. then i'll test each combination separately. i value your input, guys.

You know a lot more about this than I do.

 

[MrHH]

Pre-loading or mixing in a wrong time lapse 5-HTP with any serotonine releasing chemical (MDMA for example) can lead into an excess of serotonine, resulting in a Serotonin Syndrome. I would not recommend it for pre-load, but yes at 6hr of taking MDMA for recovering some serotonin after the exceeding amount that was released when the effect was kicking.

Mixing Research Chemicals with lack of medical or professional criteria can lead into unexpected effects, additional or increased side effects, chronic diseases... To take Research Chemicals independently is a risk, imagine if you combine more of one substance on the same experience. ???x2 or ???x3

Peace,

 

[jerseybrah]

butylone sucks and will make you feel tweaky for 18 hours afterwards...its good mixed with ethylone, but methylone itself should suffice...if you do decide to dose the butylone do so in small 40-50mg doses...be aware it has a strong urge to redose

 

[MrHH]

Below a trusted source explaining the effect of MDMA related to serotonin levels.

Hope everybody finds this information useful!

Acute effects of 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine on brain serotonin synthesis in the dog studied by positron emission tomography
by
Nishisawa S, Mzengeza S, Diksic M
Department of Neurology and Neurosurgery,
Montreal Neurological Institute,
McGill University,
Quebec, Canada.
Neurochem Int 1999 Jan; 34(1):33-40

ABSTRACT

The influence of an acute dose (2 mg/kg; i.v.; infused over 10 min) of 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA; Ecstasy) on the brain serotonin synthesis in the dog was assessed using alpha [11C]methyl-L-tryptophan and positron emission tomography. The rate of serotonin synthesis measured 1 h after injection of MDMA was six times greater than the base line (before MDMA) synthesis. Five hours after the MDMA injection, serotonin synthesis was about one half that at the base line, and about one thirteenth of the synthesis at 1 h after MDMA. A large increase seen 1 h after MDMA probably relates to the large release of serotonin by MDMA and reflects an attempt of the serotonergic system to replenish released serotonin. This probably correlates with the mood changes reported by humans after MDMA intake. Decrease observed 5 h after MDMA, in part, probably relates to the inhibitory effects of the released serotonin, which could act on the activity of tryptophan hydroxylase directly or indirectly via other monoaminergic systems (e.g. dopaminergic).