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bk-MBDB (120mg) - First Time - Cant think of a Title

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I received 1 gram of bk-MBDB under my pillow from a fairy. I have experience with just about every classification of drugs. Too many to list. I recently "quit" a 3 year opiate habit exactly one week ago, although I am keeping my opiate receptors happy with 100mg doses of tramadol every 4 to 6 hours... I am going to taper this dose down slowly over the next couple of weeks. My last dose of tramadol was 4hrs ago, though I am not feeling any withdrawl symptoms yet. Being opium free for the last week has me feeling very good about myself. I rewarded myself last night with a 22mg dose of 2c-b. I mention this because it may cause some tolerance to the effects of the bk-mbdb, though I dont know for sure. This is my first experience with this chemical:



4/9/2007 18:15



T 0:00 - Ingest 120mg of bk-mbdb dissolved in a small amount of grapefruit juice. Drink it all in one gulp. Grapefruit juice was used because of its ability to mask disqusting tastes, not because I expected it to perform any potentiation (as with opiates). Doesn't taste awfull, but it doesn't taste good either.

T 0:30 - Feeling some tension in my shoulders and neck. My leg is extremely restless, which isn't really abnormal for me, but its bouncing up and down more energetically than usuall.

T 0:35 - I'm starting to feel very stimulated. My fingers are jumping around the keyboard faster and more efficiently than usual. The tension in my shoulders is getting worse, and I can feel simliar tension building in my arms and legs. Im starting to feel urges to talk to my wife who is across the room at the moment. We aren't having any problems or anything, but we've both been so busy with our daily lives recently that we havent spoken much. She seems to appreciate the attention, and it feels good to talk to her. I feel as if Ive ingested an amphetamine or mdma and the effects are just about to start.

T 0:40 - There is a gentle warm feeling coming from deep down inside of me. It feels lovely, almost relaxing like a hot bath and a massage. However, the tension in my shoulders is gradually getting worse. I realize that I am just keeping my shoulder muscles tight from the stimulation, which is the reason for the tension. It's beginning to feel a bit achey. I try to relax, but it seems impossible.

T 0:45 - Definetly stimulating. Ive tried to write trip reports on other substances, but I usually get bored with the idea after writing one or two sentences. With this chemical, typing feels great. I feel very sharp. My leg is bouncing up and down like crazy. My hands are beginning to shake as well as sweat. Some jaw tension is beginning to develope. I notice some rumbling down in my lower stomach... very similiar to drinking a large cup of coffee. I may need to go to the bathroom later to relieve myself.

T 0:50 - My hands are shaking quite a bit. My jaw is clenching and Im compusively rubbing my tongue against my teeth. I am very absorbed in writing this trip report, I am concentrating very hard. Somebody suddenly sends me an Instant Message, which irritates me at first, but I relax and enjoy talking to them. My body still feels relaxed and warm, but tense and achy at the same time (weird). The stimulation reminds me a lot of mdma, sometimes a little like methampetamine without being scatter-brained. I wish my shoulders would relax, mabye my wife is willing to give me a massage, which I assume would feel incredible (Unfortunetly, I never got around to asking her to do this)

T 1:00 - More tension. Stomach is a litte upset. Pupils dont appear to be dilated. I am not feeling overly euphoric, just "warm" and content. There is definetly more stimulation than euphoria with this chem. My heart rate does not seem to be affected, though, I dont have any bpm readings to back that up.

T 1:10 - Effects are no longing building. I am able to relax a little at this point, which is a bit of a relief. I haven't noticed any sexual urges. I am not overly compelled to talk, though it feels nice to do so. To an outside observer, I doubt I looked high at all, except for the jaw clenching. I am at the beginning of a plateu of effects now. I considering boosting, but decided against it... I want the crash to be as easy as possible.

T 1:15 - I have been writing updates every 5 to 10 minutes in this trip report rather compusively. I am much more relaxed now, effects are steady and I do not feel the need to add any updates here for awhile.

T 1:45 - Still at the same plataeu as earlier. My legs are beginning to ache with that all too familiar opiate withdrawl feeling. I am taking 100mg of tramadol to kill the pain and hopefully ease me back into sobriety from the bk-mbdb. Im beginning to think that a beer would be mighty tasty right about now.

T 2:15 - Effects are still holding steady, but I am beginning to get a little irritated here and there so I think the downward slope is about to begin. My shoulder muscles are still tightly wound, I havent been able to relax them since the effects first started. Other than that, I feel more mentally relaxed as time passes.

T 3:00 - Some food is prepared. I am not hungry, but the food smells and tastes good. Tramadol is kicking in and Im beginning to feel better. Effects from the bk-mbdb have been gradually disappearing.

T 3:45 - Occasionally I feel back to baseline with some lingering stimulation and tension... though the effects keep coming back in waves, then disappearing again. Im at the point now where Id be happy for the effects to completely wear off.

T 4:15 - Yawning. Im feeling tired, I think I might be able to sleep soon.

T 5:30 - Sleep

The next day:

I woke up early after 6 hours of sleep. I wanted to go back to sleep, but couldn't. I felt a little off all day, but nothing horrible.


I enjoyed this experience. The stimulation and fear of a crash was a little unsettling around the 1 hour mark, but I was able to relax and enjoy the experience once I reached the plateau. The effects were not mindblowing like MDMA. I felt a gentle warmness throughout my body, slight euphoria (more of a content feeling) and a lot of stimulation and muscle tension. My senses were not enhanced, in fact, I think my vision got slightly blurry. I wish I could make comparisons to Methylone and Ethylone with this chemical, but unfortunetly I do not have any experience with either one.

I will have to redo this experiment another time... because I dont know how last nights 2c-b trip effected this experience. I also would like to get over my addiction to tramadol, because I think that the slight withdrawls I was beginning to feel attributed to the achy feeling in my muscles. I think I might use a lower dose next time, it was a little to stimulating at 120mg.

I think I will only repeat this experience one more time. It was not really a rewarding experience for me, but I bet it would work well with the correct intentions, such as a therapy session or as a catalyst for a couple to work through problems. Also, this chemical is kinda pricey considering the dose required.

Happy tripping everyone.
 
great report!
i think the overstimulation and tension you experienced could be due in part to the tramadol you're taking. tramadol feels a lot like a stimulant, at least to me. i believe tramadol has been shown to inhibit reuptake of norepinephrine.
 
I am also an opiate addict (currently maintained on suboxone) and I can tell you first hand that psychedelics/entactogens make WD a living hell. I could not trip for many years without taking LARGE dosages of opiates prior. I have no doubt that your dependence on them will change the effects perceived. Especially being in WD.

I thought the dosage for bk-MBDB was higher...closer to methylone's dosage. I didn't realize this one was so much more potent. 120mg of M1 does little for me.
 
morninggloryseed said:
I thought the dosage for bk-MBDB was higher...closer to methylone's dosage. I didn't realize this one was so much more potent. 120mg of M1 does little for me.

The dosage required for bk-mbdb well very well be closer to that of methylone required dose, but I remember reading somewhere that the dose is lower.

There were only two experience reports on erowid that I could find, and in both, the users only took 150mg and then redosed again after an hour. I wasnt really able to find much information about it, just a couple forum discusssions that made a couple comparisions to the effects ethylone and methylone. I thought 120mg was going to be a low dose... but it turned out to be pretty strong for me. Perhaps Im sensitive to the effects, or the WDs played a part in the perceived effects as you mentioned.
 
Maybe try meditation or just sitting and breathing and focusing on relaxing your muscles to bypass that tenstion in your shoulders next time. Or you could get your wife or someone you know to massage your shoulders if the tension develops. This is the first i've heard of this compound.
 
The tension may have been from thramadol. I took methylone for the first time while on tram and my neck was so tense that my head shook. It was very irritating and ruined any of the enjoyable effects. Tramadol lowers the threshold for seizures so that's something to be aware of.
 
Very true about the tramadol... I somehow missed that part. I would imagine it was primarily due to the tramadol. We don't have many reports or much knowledge of butylone, but tramadol is known for causing reactions, especially with stimulants. 4 hours is not nearly long enough for tramadol to stop affecting you. dbailey's report of methylone and tramadol, as he mentioned, produced a very similar reaction, and methylone is not known to produce tension at all. On that one, we do have loads of reports. It makes sense that a similar reaction could occur with bk-MBDB.

In fact, I would not recommend tramadol with any psychedelics or stimulants. Sure, you might be fine, but why risk it?
 
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