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Bizarre Come Downs

Frantic2002

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Hi All,

Just after a bit of advice, ive been doing pills and speed for around 3 years atleast once every two years. Ive never been nailed by comedowns physical or mental but twice in the last 3 months ive experienced some rather scary events.

Both times on the monday after being out the sat night and sun morn (usually do 3plls in 12 hours)ive experienced severe pins and needles in the hands, legs, feet, face and stomach. Its so bad that my hands close up and i am unable to move my mouth. It comes on suddenly and lasts about two hours before leaving me realy tired.

Is there something in the pills that im not used to or even alergic to?

I dont want to stop doing pills but if this s going to happen i dont think its worth it.

Does anyone have similar effects
 
Go and see your doctor. If you don't feel comfortable telling him about your drug use, then don't, although you should. At least describe your symptoms and get a check up.

Although this may in part be due to MDMA, it may reflect an underlying condition which is aggrevated by the actions of the drug.
 
I'll just second what phase_dancer has said - go and see your doctor.

I'm going to move this to Health Q&A, where your post will be more likely to be read by people who have experieced/read about similar problems.

:)
 
Can you elaborate a little? The more you can tell us, the better.
1. What do you mean your "hands close up" and you can't move your mouth?
2. What colour is your skin when this happens - is it pale, white or even blue?
3. Do you have any circulation problems, such as Raynaud's syndrome, where your hands overreact to the cold and turn white or blue?
4. Do you smoke or take any other drugs or medications (or herbs etc)?
5. Do you notice any other unusual symptoms at these times, either physical or mental?
 
Hey,

The first time t happened i went to emergency..they just put in a drip and took some blood. By the time they came back with the results i was fine (2 hours) It happened again yesterday and just layed and just tryed to get through it with out freaking.

Its weird..its as if my hands close up and i cant open them....i go to talk but my mouth doesnt move......its just painfully numb...skin is pale also and my girlfreind sais i slur my words....usually after im a bit scattered but ok

i have no other health problems....i represent my state in sport and am super healthy and fit and a non smoker.....
 
could be a vitamin E defeciency, start eating more turnip/mustard/collard greens, sunflower seeds, variety of nuts such as brazil/almond/regular/and the like, kiwi fruit, olives, broccoli, peanuts...

by far the best way to get vitamin e is sunflower seeds they are really potent compared to everything else.

and while your at it take omega 3 acids (fish oil supplement is best) with the vit e.

drink lots of orange juice, and take a multivitamin (ideally you want ideal levels of vit c, selenium, glutathione, and vit B3...along with the vitamin e and fish oil...and multivitamin.

just from the symptoms of vit e defeciency i made a guess :(
 
This doesn't sound like any common reaction to MDMA that I have heard of (but I'm not a Dr!) Having said that, I do remember one report in this forum of a guy who used quite a bit of meth, then develop tingling hands and feet (which is most likely due to vasoconstriction = where the vessels constrict, so less blood and oxygen gets to the hands and feet) who described his hand "curling up" too. Unfortunately, he deleted his post - this is all that is left of it: meth - can it do this?
Here is another thread on a similar topic: chest pain,whiteish blue hands...

Anyhow, the reason I asked if your skin changed colour was because this can be a sign of vasoconstriction. The skin would usually feel cold too. You said your skin was pale, which is consistent with vasoconstriction. If vasoconstriction is severe, there can be various responses, depending on which parts of the body are affected. For example, tissue damage could occur - the skin would start to appear blue or purple and mottled, it would feel numb; stiffness and pain may also occur. I imagine if it was severe it could explain your hands curling up.

Vasoconstriction = increased blood pressure, and this can cause other problems if severe, such as stroke, in people who are prone to it. For example, there have been cases of MDMA and amhetamine users, who have a pre-existing problem with a blood vessel in the brain having a stroke after using these drugs. At the hospital, was your blood pressure normal?

What is strange though is that this is happening the day after you use MDMA? The effects I have described would normally happen while the drug is still working in your body. You didn't answer all my questions btw. In particular, do you take anything
after MDMA/on the comedown that might explain these symptoms?
 
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Hey,

No dont do anything on the comedown except try and eat and sleep....actually i seem to drink a heap of coke but im not sure the caffeine would nail me like that..a freind of mine has similar tingling but no where as severe but only when he mixes speed and ecstasy. Both times its happened its when ive tryed a diff pll...ie in a club. Thats why im a little sus it may be a foreign ingredient that doesnt agree with me

Blood preasure and pulse were all up but they said i was hyperventilating because i was panicking.....who wouldnt!!

I suffer extreme migranes but there only brought on by certain foods and are nothing like this.

Its strange because i rarley get a come down physicaly or mentally but after the event occurs i feel so exhausted...but a little scared to go to sleep.

I dont know.....maybe ill just have to stop the drugz
 
Another thread that talks about prolonged vasoconstriction post MDMA: Extreme Vasoconstriction/Stimulation

The only other possibility I can think of is a panic attack, but you don't describe any other symptoms consistent with that. Tingling/pins and needles can occur when someone who is highly anxious hyperventilates.

Anyhow, avoiding pills sounds like a very good idea. Or, at the very least. not taking 3 pills in a night, as the more you take the greater the side effects. Be aware you may find you get a similar problem with methamphetamine and cocaine, in fact these are even better known for causing vasoconstriction. If you have the same problem again, applying warmth in the form of a warm facewasher, or having a bath may help as it causes vasodilation (the vessels relax). However, this isn't a good idea during MDMA or meth when you're hot already. It is possible there was something in the pills you are more sensitive to than others, but if the pills felt like MDMA that's probably what was in them. You may just be particularly sensitive to this effect. Hope that is of some help.
 
Hey,

Yeah i think ill have a rest for a while...and not buy in a club when i make a come back!!

Thanx for the advice....much appreciated
 
Its quite normal to have nasty come-downs of MDMA.. it usually has to do with the quality of the MDMA... smoking good weed afterwards usually settles you down.. infact smoking weed comming down of MDMA starts a whole new trip all together.. but its a good one.. also you could try get your hands on some benzos like valium or xanax to take when ur comming down...
 
What did you mean by a heap of coke? I would personally not be overlooking the possibility of the feather that sunk the ship with the amount of caffeine you may be ingesting through that drink..
 
Well i prob drank around 2 litres over the space of a day. But thats realy nothing unusual for me...should i avoid caffeine after a big night out?
 
I believe caffeine can interfere significantly with your body's bio-rhythums.

Taking any CNS stimulant, even caffeine, is not advisable when you're run down physically and/or mentally - as you are when you come down from mdma, amphetamines and numerous other drugs. You should think about substituting the cola for pure juices.
 
2 litres is a truckload of Coke for most people, but if that is your normal amount....if you suddenly stopped that you would probably feel some mild caffeine withdrawal symptoms like headache etc.:\
 
hmmm well im going to go out this weekend so ill see what happens...might just stick to the pills and stear clear of the speed
 
Well it seems i cant win...once again exactly 2 days after im getting nailed...this time i layed down to go to bed and everytime i fell asleep i would wake with a jump and realy have to concentrate on my breathing...almost as if my heart was to stop..its been going for 2 hours now......pretty scared but im hoping it will pass....as for the drugs..thats it...ive had my fun.....im going down to the docsand im guna spill my guts about everything...thanks for your info guys
 
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