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Billion + believe in Satan. Should all schools be mandated to teach Creationism?

willow11 said:
Burden of proof is on you here; you are the one making an assertion. I am not, I am rebutting your own view that a code requires intelligence to be created. I am simply saying that you have no evidence for that.
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Dishonest....
want proof?
Go back and read thread (anyone free to do so)
see who first made assertion they had "fact"
( ironic wordplay) to back up their claim. It was '1000words' not me dear friend. I cant help it you decided you were going to be his/her mouthpiece. But since you chose to be their tool, you inherit their burden of proof in debate. You further increased that weight bearing down on you when you claimed I was experiencing a fairy tale for not accepting your position. To which I responded what is your proof of this? To which you have none.
Unless you call psedo facts - facts.
You also chose/are still choosing to ignore my original statement/claim that both poistions are equally religious in nature . Am I going to have to reapeat my assertion a 3rd time?
THEY ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You just refuse to believe your position is. You also fail to see the great amount
of faith you are putting in YOUR assertion --
But hey, you seem to be visually challenged in this respect, so I'm assuming thats how you're doing it.
As far as my original assertion....
Its not my fault that my arguement to support my premise goes above and beyond the call of duty. All I really need/had to "prove" in this debate is you and I are at least equal in belief.
If I go beyond that....Im just stacking more proof on the scale.
willow11 said:
The Miller-Urey experiment
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http://www.icr.org/article/evolution-hopes-you-dont-know-chemistry-problem-wi/

10.The Devastation of Evolution - Chirality (Evo…: http://youtu.be/wmpGUPz5TZU
(if you prefer video)
Chirality absolutely destroys Miller-Urey
experiment in respect to your assertion.. I provided a link for you in my last post to help shed some light in the darkness you find yourself in, but you have to pick it up and use the light. I can only lead the horse to water.....

To your questions of Why, why, why did God do this or that.....
Its totally irrelevant to this debate on codes.
If it was let me point out --
You would not accept any answer on this and just shift burden of proof to me once again to prove your statement for you --pointless and wholly immaterial in respect
a.k.a - doesnt disprove intelligent desisn of DNA
willow11 said:
The evidence that you manipulate is scientific data that disproves your position.
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Again,( I believe for the third time now) specifically what scientific ecidence am I "manipulating"?
Your foot is being held to a fire on this one....
either put the fire out or let it burn....
Your choice
willow11 said:
But you were being dishonest. You fabricated a reply from me; where I come from, inventing untruths with which to then attack a person is exceedingly dishonest.
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I dont know exactly where you "come from"
but where I "come from" the truth sometimes hurts. Look at it like a growing pain.:)
 
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Sorry meth but that video is bullcrap.. it's basically an attack on an experiment because the media sensationalised it to be something more significant than it was..

This is no way debunks, discredits or even suggests anything about evolution..
 
rickolasnice said:
Sorry meth but that video is bullcrap.. it's basically an attack on an experiment because the media sensationalised it to be something more significant than it was..

This is no way debunks, discredits or even suggests anything about evolution..
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You'll need more than that to "debunk" poblem of chirality. This is a very very very large hurdle for spontaneous assembly of live.

How did only left handed chiral amino acids get "selected" for? Hmmmm?
What was the mechanism for this selection?
Randomness doesnt do it.
Im smelling a "you're using god of gaps "
arguement. (Im only assuming)
Either way, completely random evolution uses the biggest god of gaps connection I have ever seen.....
the magical properties of time!
But problem here is when you start adding the exponents of the astronomical probabilities
you aint got enough "time" from the beginning of what is proposed to be age of Earth/ first amino acid formation
to get everything done you need to get done randomly.
Your god of time keeps shrinking my friend.
And I point a key point out....
He's missing a very important mechanism to speed things along.....intelligence!
 
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What? Why do you think that?

How do you know how long it takes?

Have a read of this.. it's an interesting hypothesis.. I'm not saying it's true but it's a very real possibility.

http://www.businessinsider.com/groundbreaking-idea-of-lifes-origin-2014-12?IR=T

How did only left handed chiral amino acids get "selected" for? Hmmmm?
What was the mechanism for this selection?
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I don't know.. but the fact that they did does not disprove evolution nor prove intelligent design..

It's just another thing that creationists jump on because we don't have an answer yet.

The evidence of evolution by natural selection is massive.. just because there are gaps in our understanding of a few aspects does not debunk the evidence that we have.

For example - The evidence that quantum theory is very real is, well, very real.. We may not know the ins and outs of how and what but that doesn't discredit what we do know.. And we know a hell of a lot more about evolution than we do quantum theory. The same applies to pretty much everything we know.. science is always evolving.. A few examples would be evidence than an atom is made up of protons, neutrons and electrons.. and then we they are made up of yet smaller things.. it doesn't mean that atoms aren't made up of protons, neutrons and electrons.. We don't know what dolphin calls mean but the evidence that they're talking to each other is there..

We know the brain is responsible for consciousness but we don't know how.. it doesn't mean it's not. etc etc..
 
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Here's the problem with what with your god of gaps rebuttal.
It uses psedoscience to fill in gaps.
All you are doing is breaking down a very complex machine, desribing the how and why it works, and never have to answer the how and why it got there to begin with. I could tell you right now my neighbors car formed randomly and make up possible scenarios for why it was formed randomly such as the kids in my neighborhood like playing with car parts. But the gaps in my theory would be obvious.
U can never bridge the gap of evolution without assumption. When faced with something that cant be logically bridged,
it seems to not exist. I could sit here the rest of the day and give you chicken and egg scenarios that random evolution can never answer.
Things that MUST be present together to work.
But in reality it only takes one to debunk evolution via common descent with modification.
But apparently darwinism doesnt have to ever answer as they say abiogensis and random evolution are seperate things. No they are not. You dont get a house without foundation.
But most of this is moot because the real topic here is the impossibility of DNA forming randomly. You have to have a mechanism already in place to form DNA.
Would you disagree and specifically why?
 
methamaniac said:
Dishonest....
want proof?
Go back and read thread (anyone free to do so)
see who first made assertion they had "fact"
( ironic wordplay) to back up their claim. It was '1000words' not me dear friend. I cant help it you decided you were going to be his/her mouthpiece.
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I got to here and then became aware that I have no idea what you are talking about and so gave up. A shame...:\
 
It comes down to ego and perception of time. Creationists see importance and inflated significance in their 100 years on the planet. To them their own life must be important because if there is no one pulling the strings then there are no reason to follow the rules laid down by God.

Scientists have a better grasp on the scale of the universe, not only to the almost endless expanses of space and time, but also the equally infinite quantum space that descends underneath their own skin. Evolution cannot be truly witnessed in out lifetime. 100 000 years is no easier to comprehend than 1 million, yet the lottery that is life means that such time spans are significant.

Humans are less than a partial of shit in the cosmic fart of the universe. Some people want to believe that we must be more important than than, and perhaps on this planet and in this universe we are. But to billions of stars and trillions of other planets around us we are no more than a happy coincidence.

religous education is fine and dandy if you want to teach your kids values and history. Giving them hope that their life is important is no less or no more harmful than learning about the Dada movement in art or how to balance a profit and loss sheet in accounting. However mixing creationism into actual science classes is ignorant and arrogant. It shows desperation by the church if they need to try and classify its teachings as science, while completely disregarding scientific principles and methods.
 
Inner Life Of A Cell - Full Version: http://youtu.be/B_zD3NxSsD8

From DNA to Protein: http://youtu.be/D3fOXt4MrOM

Drew Berry - Astonishing Molecular Machines: http://youtu.be/dMPXu6GF18M

DNA Replication Process [3D Animation]: http://youtu.be/27TxKoFU2Nw

These animations appear absolutely random.
And I can see how and why each mind boggling step of assembly could have came along randomly.
?
Im glad DNA found a cell to do its thing in.
Good thing he thought to bring his left handed amino acids with him. They would like to give speacial thanks to RNA for all its support throughout process.
We salute all you guys!
 
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One Thousand Words said:
It comes down to ego and perception of time. Creationists see importance and inflated significance in their 100 years on the planet. To them their own life must be important because if there is no one pulling the strings then there are no reason to follow the rules laid down by God.

Scientists have a better grasp on the scale of the universe, not only to the almost endless expanses of space and time, but also the equally infinite quantum space that descends underneath their own skin. Evolution cannot be truly witnessed in out lifetime. 100 000 years is no easier to comprehend than 1 million, yet the lottery that is life means that such time spans are significant.

Humans are less than a partial of shit in the cosmic fart of the universe. Some people want to believe that we must be more important than than, and perhaps on this planet and in this universe we are. But to billions of stars and trillions of other planets around us we are no more than a happy coincidence.

religous education is fine and dandy if you want to teach your kids values and history. Giving them hope that their life is important is no less or no more harmful than learning about the Dada movement in art or how to balance a profit and loss sheet in accounting. However mixing creationism into actual science classes is ignorant and arrogant. It shows desperation by the church if they need to try and classify its teachings as science, while completely disregarding scientific principles and methods.
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Which is why the O.P. puts evolution in comparative religion and not religion in the science class.

We want to bring intelligent thinking to religion class and not foolish religious thinking to science class.

Regards
DL
 
methamaniac said:
According to you we're all God remember,
why would I need to save self from self?
Your logic trips on its shoelaces everytime it attempts to run.
Stop and tie those shoes buddy!
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Isn't that the truth.

Copy and paste because you can't think for yourself. Then forget what you've copied and pasted before. Talk about getting your wires crossed.
 
GodandLove said:
I don't know what planet you're on, but the United Sates has been the Supreme World Power of planet Earth for nearly 2 centuries. And from the looks of it, we will continue to be the Supreme World Power for centuries to come.

We literally have a monopoly on the advancement of human sciences.

We are the authorities when it comes to space exploration.

Our military is unrivaled.

Need I say more?
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Now now...it's not the most paradisical place on Earth...but other countries don't brainwash their children into patriocy.
 
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