Wondering if anyone has noticed potentially dangerous hypertensive effects from 4-FA? I know it stands to reason it could happen since its a stimulant.. but two different people now that I know have experienced severe reactions at doses ~150 mg. Confusion, stiff neck, *throbbing migraine*, constant vomiting. Very severe too. To me that sounds like possibly high blood pressure, but of course I dont know for sure.
What's interesting is that several other people enjoyed that much and more of the same batch. Interestingly, I've never researched if benzos affect blood pressure, but when taking xanax before dosing 4-fa, only typical vasoconstriction symptoms seem present. Certainly nothing like what I'm describing above.
Have other people seen these effects/ is it common?
Also do benzos help with high blood pressure from stimulant use?
A female friend of me had one of the worst migraine attacks ever on this from only a small dose. She was panicking, thought she was dying and wouldn't accept any other substance i offered (etizolam) her regular puffer for migraine medicine was ineffective. It ended up with me calling emergency services, they came in and gave her a shot of fentanyl and an additional shot of in the ambulance im later told was also fentanyl (but I find that unlikely) and she was taken to the hospital by ambulance, where she received two more shot type medications (very expensive ones) for migraine and some morphine, while she was nodding from the large dose of opiates the headaches continued. In the hall way I asked a staff member if a benzodiazepine type(/like) substance would have been good at the time she was freaking out / at the start so she would sleep, he told me that if prescribed by a physician it would yes. Her attack lasted 3 days and she was recovering for a week.
Just today I was on the beach with another female friend and we took a dose of 4-FA, she 80mg and I took 90mg after about an hour while I asked her if she felt anything, she said she didn't but was ok and declined an additional re-dose while I took an additional capsule of 90mg, then a while later while i felt nothing yet of the earlier or additional dose she started she started describing to me having migraine like symptoms and it got worse and worse and we decide to pack and go to the car and i urged her to take some Etizolam I had with me while she declined at first I strongly advised her to and gave her 1-2mg of solution, way to low a dose but i was also panicking a bit and drew some air, while not wanting to stall or draw too much attention to 'drugging my female companion in distress' which she swallowed immediately while i had urged her to keep it under her tongue on the way home we were stuck in a traffic, she panicked more and more and i seeing there was no quick route to ER and knowing it would only help her cope gave her an additional 4mg while I said she should keep it under her tongue, while she was asking wat was happening and i had to inform her of what was most likely happening to her. As she never had a migraines before and thought she was dying and in panic. (On a side note my doctor thought my tension headaches that only subside after 2 paracetamol with codeine were migraine attacks/cluster headaches… LOL after seeing my first friend even not able to speek to the paramedics at times and the severity I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy, (well maybe 1 or 2) but not people I care about, so do not take this advise lightly)
When we got home I made it dark and wrapped a cold towel firmly around her head and gave her 5 mg Etizolam, I think it really saved her a lot of pain she slept for about an hour, then needed the bathroom and I heard her vomit (one of the symptoms) she went back on the couch and within 2,5 hours she sat up and said: It’s gone! I can’t describe the relief I felt knowing my other friends attack lasted 3 days! and they typically last at least 3 hours.
This is part of a post salvaged I was writing at the time she was asleep, but needed to assist her when she needed to vomit and this is all that got saved. I haven’t been as active here lately because it feels most of what I write is of no interest, but feel responsible to bring this under your attention.
TL : DR
WARNING! I did not link it to 4-FA at first but I can out of first hand experience confirm:
4-FA can induce severe migraine attacks in people who until then had not experienced any before.
This was all from the same batch me and my buddies happily used many grams of already. I thought perhaps its a girl thing, but apparently it’s not: a guy was found on his bathroom floor after vomiting /headache, who was having a mild stroke.. will look for that post for those who need to verify this..
I now have about 20grams of 4-FA I enjoyed very much, but now it feels like a sort of Russian roulette and i’m VERY reluctant to play sadly enough. I will never again give or recommend this to other researchers.