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RCs Big n Dandy 4-FA (4-fluoroamphetamine) thread v.1.0

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I usually stick to 40-60mg for scenarios such as the casual night you describe. At 80mg and above it is usually apparent to my close friends who know me well that I'm not just sipping beer, and it's always better to underdose and have a calmer night than overdose and wind up with dilated pupils in a casual social setting. Also, oral dosing only, I know that's what you did but for anyone wondering, insufflating this stuff is WAY too speedy for mild experiences.
 
gaktattack said:
I have used somewhere on the order of 25 grams of 4-fa in the last 3-4 months. I was using it daily for two weeks but it is an intoxicant, and it caused me to make poor choices at work and during a very important phone interview. I now only use it on weekends. Without a proper scale, it is hard for me to judge doses, but I would guess 300-500mg sipped over 8 hours(could be more, the rate at which I have consumed the weighted bags indicates more).

When I do my weekly Friday night into Saturday binge, I get a "rebound" blood pressure issue(the longer the binge the worse the effects) When I stand up I nearly faint. This can go on for 6 or more hours, and I have learned to use pilot's g-lock techniques to stay conscious. Prior to that I had to walk around with my torso lowered to keep my blood flowing where it needs to. Once I am up and acclimated, I am good until I bend over for something or sit etc. During the week, I use nothing other than caffeine and nicotine.

One more noted effect, I will get sleep paralysis bouts the second or third night after a binge. The first time scared the hell out of me, but fortunately I recalled seeing a documentary on it which calmed me down(took an hour) after what initially seemed to be one hellacious ghost/demonic encounter which is really hard for an atheist to come to grips with. With a little googling I had found that amp's and MDMA etc can induce sleep paralysis after a comedown.

I am concerned to say the least, and often google to see how many people offer similar experiences... there are only a few mentionings of fainting.

One more thing, it tears my stomach up something terrible. I get nausea the next day and a very unsettled feeling in my stomach. I have a strong constitution and nearly never vomit, 4-fa doesn't take me that far, but it is far from comfortable the next day.
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My use of 4FA is pretty much in line with the amounts you described, and dizziness/vertigo has definitely been a problem for me during periods of extended use. Also, the sleep paralysis you mention has only happened to me a few times in the past several months but is as terrible as you describe and definitely connected to 4FA overuse. Not since I was a child have I felt such pure, blinding fear as when I slipped into the paralysis.
 
Sleep paralysis is most likely from you lying as still as possible trying to sleep for extended periods of time. When you do exactly that (which is a method for entering lucid dreams), you body WILL go into sleep paralysis.

Definitely scary. I've experienced it multiples times sober before... My only recommendation to avoiding it is to never lay completely still for a very long time, hoping to fall asleep. It usually ends in sleep paralysis. I know it isn't always avoidable, but just a suggestion.

From sleep paralysis it is very possible to induce a lucid dream, but it takes some practice. Google it if your curious.
 
Hey everyone, bit of a dumb question but I'm going to be taking 4FA for the first time this weekend (hink I'll start around 125mg) and I was wondering if I should go for snorting or oral? For some reason I haven't been able to find info on which is more potent. Also does 4FA burn like a bitch if snorted? Thanks :)
 
oral! Dont snort it! It hurts like hell and it is very bad for your nose! Plz use it oral!
 
hatrix said:
Sleep paralysis is most likely from you lying as still as possible trying to sleep for extended periods of time. When you do exactly that (which is a method for entering lucid dreams), you body WILL go into sleep paralysis.

Definitely scary. I've experienced it multiples times sober before... My only recommendation to avoiding it is to never lay completely still for a very long time, hoping to fall asleep. It usually ends in sleep paralysis. I know it isn't always avoidable, but just a suggestion.

From sleep paralysis it is very possible to induce a lucid dream, but it takes some practice. Google it if your curious.
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I disagree, in this instance it appears to be serotonin depletion related. MDMA will cause this too, and it doesn't happen the first night you sleep, but usually the second. Also, when I am trying to sleep and I am having a bout I can have upwards of 10 SP episodes. Anecdotal reports state that taking melatonin will supplement for your serotonin/melatonin deficiency.
 
After bingeing for several days I'm starting to get a strange tingling sensation on the top of my head, since this always happens right when the effects start to manifest I assume it has something to do with serotonin being released. Has anyone else experienced this?
 
Any and all stims can do this. For me it is a pleasant scalp tingling, it remind me of the meditative state I get into when I get a "sensual" haircut. Some of those lovely ladies...

It happens when it kicks in, to me it feels more related to adrenaline. I have gotten it on
MDMA, speed/adderall/etc, pseudo-ephedrine, Mildly with nicotine/caffiene.
 
Morpheus19 said:
For me, 4-fa is a bitch regarding the hangover. The first day after a binge isn't too bad, probably because of its long halflife. The real comedown kicks in on day 2-4. Anyone else experienced this?
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Well generally speaking any stimulant binge will result in a pretty nasty comedown. Also, since this does release serotonin, I could see it causing problems for a few days.
 
Morpheus19 said:
For me, 4-fa is a bitch regarding the hangover. The first day after a binge isn't too bad, probably because of its long halflife. The real comedown kicks in on day 2-4. Anyone else experienced this?
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Really? I usually get pretty tired after about the 7-8th hour after taking it, which I always thought was weird no other stim does that to me. Idk benzos and opiates are the only thing that can really help stim comedowns. Never experienced any type of next day hangover with 4-fa either, though I never really do it more than 2 days in a row usually.
 
I have only ever stayed up single nights on 4-fa, and yes, somehow, even when high as shit you can still sleep. BUT, if you stay at recreational doses it may cause your blood pressure to drop like crazy when you rebound, and after the second night's sleep is when SP will most likely hit if it will.

I am serious when I say me, a grown man was scared shitless. I felt like I was 7 and alone in the dark. If someone else had been there, I can't imagine how things would have turned out, as I would have been saying some seriously fucked up shit. Luckily I figured out what it was.
 
I've done it twice, I pick up the pills from a smartshop in amsterdam. I can only find it in one smartshop that I go to, so it's pretty rare. The first time I did it was in the morning on a day when nothing was really happening. I took 2 pills after breakfast and I came up in about an hour, I had a great day. After the 3-ish hour peak when I was chilling to music and stuff in my room (although it does have that speed-y feel where you want to do stuff, so I was playing music while doing laundry and cleaning and stuff), I had a great mood for the rest of the day, no noticeable buzz but just a highly elevated mood.
There wasn't much of a nasty comedown.

The second time I did 2 pills again, and I was with my friend who also took 2 pills. It felt more euphoric than the last time but the comedown was a little nasty. It lasted well into the next day, I felt pretty moody and depressed and had some mild mood swings, and had trouble sleeping for the next 2 nights. It was almost worth it, since I had such a great experience when peaking with my friend, but the next 2 days were annoying.

Considering possibly doing it again, depending what my scenario is.
 
people who have experience with quality speed - which one would you prefer - i dont want to take full dose of 4-fa to feel its seretogenic effects, just need some stimulation and mood lift and i have option either do 4-fa or speed. which one is easier on the body, has gentier come down and couses less jitterness? from what i gather 4-fa seems like a winner but i would really aprreciate more advice. cheers.
 
In lower end doses and If you know the additives in the speed I'd always take the good speed. 4-fa is great to but for me I'd say a more sociable experience but way more taxing and longer lasting then speed
 
I´m going on a party tomorrow and thinking about taking around 100mg 4-fa there. Im not urging for a hard buzz but more for a gentle stimulation, that puts me in a good mood and keeps me going through the night. If I drop it at midnight, i should be good for the next 7 or 8 hours, right?
Is the risk of overheating/hyperthermia greater than of mdma or speed?
My alternative substance would be amphetamine or meth, but i think the 4-fa puts a little more empathy and mellowness into the buzz.

@gaktattak:
how bad is this low-blood-pressure-thing compared to amphetamine or mdma? I often have this on the next day, that i wake up, feeling relativly fine, but when i get up, i start to feel really dizzy and nauseus.
 
can't wait to try it out.. have 3-FA as well.
2-FMA proved pretty useless to me.. just a basic stim, and ow my nose.
 
a tree said:
I´m going on a party tomorrow and thinking about taking around 100mg 4-fa there. Im not urging for a hard buzz but more for a gentle stimulation, that puts me in a good mood and keeps me going through the night. If I drop it at midnight, i should be good for the next 7 or 8 hours, right?
Is the risk of overheating/hyperthermia greater than of mdma or speed?
My alternative substance would be amphetamine or meth, but i think the 4-fa puts a little more empathy and mellowness into the buzz.

@gaktattak:
how bad is this low-blood-pressure-thing compared to amphetamine or mdma? I often have this on the next day, that i wake up, feeling relativly fine, but when i get up, i start to feel really dizzy and nauseus.
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100mg of 4-fa should work for about 3-5 hours at most. 8 hours is meth territory. It is a fantastic party drug in my experience, meth is just too strong and not so empathic. Overheating seems comparable to mdma to me, not really any worse.
 
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