RCs Big n Dandy 4-FA (4-fluoroamphetamine) thread v.1.0

[bluespeed]

4-FA is very euphoric and only slightly to moderately stimmy so IMO not too good to combine with MDMA, also a waste of 4-FA which works great by itself.
3-FA on the other hand, makes perfect sense to combine with MDMA because it is much more stimulating with not many other effects so it won't "fight" with the roll. It should certainly add lots of energy to roll with the overall headspace more or less unchanged. I'm also one of them who don't find MDMA stimulating at all, I almost feel I could sleep on it. Last time I ate MDMA (maybe a year ago) I didn't take RCs yet, when I take MDMA next time I will definitely try to combine with 3-FA myself.

But careful with dose if you decide to go with 3-FA, it is about 2.5times more potent than 4-.

 

[cheah]

Weird adderall cross-tolerance?

So I did 150mg 4-fa on Friday which I posted here about. On Monday I took adderall for work, a 30mg XR and a 10mg IR at the same time, which is my usual dose I take sometimes for a 9 hour shift. I didn't feel the adderall at all. I've had times where I take adderall 2 days in a row and even though I don't get the same boost the second day, I still notice certain side effects. This time there was absolutely nothing; I even ate a fat burrito during lunch, something that is usually impossible. Any ideas about this? Is this related to the 4-fa or no? I didn't take anything else over the weekend. Would not expect this type of thing to be possible 3 days after dosing.

 

[bluespeed]

I don't use aderall but it doesn't surprise me at all, IME all amphetamines have strong cross-tolerance.

 

[Septonn]

So I recently obtained a gram of this stuff and was thinking of test driving a low dose tomorrow (~40mg?) to see how I react to it and using approx. 140-150mg on thursdaynight at a party. Would this be a good idea or should I just stick to using it on thursday?

 

[borega]

So I recently obtained a gram of this stuff and was thinking of test driving a low dose tomorrow (~40mg?) to see how I react to it and using approx. 140-150mg on thursdaynight at a party. Would this be a good idea or should I just stick to using it on thursday?

Id say your fine testdriving it today and going bonkers on thursday. But id stay on low dose today!

 

[Septonn]

So I took a test dose of ~40mg today (sketchy scales, will be getting new one this week) and must say I am quite pleased with the results. About an hour after ingesting it I felt a subtle but definite urge to go 'do' stuff.
Slightly high feeling, pleasurable and energetic. I read somewhere someone described 4-FA as a smooth, velvety stimulant and I quite agree.

I'll spare you the week of waiting and tell you now, low dose 4-fa kicks the shit out of energy drinks/coffee in every way, at least IME.

True. Replacing them with 4-FA too often doesn't seem like a good idea to me but I feel it can be useful on certain days. Looking forward to upping the dose on thursday

 

[bloodshed344]

True. Replacing them with 4-FA too often doesn't seem like a good idea to me but I feel it can be useful on certain days. Looking forward to upping the dose on thursday

4-FA is probably better for your heart than the slew of random phenethylamines and other 'stimulants' in energy drinks.

 

[HighestWhenLow]

I'm one dose away from wrapping up a 5 gram binge which consisted of an oral dose of 100-150mgs every morning and 100-300mgs insufflated most nights. This is by far my favorite stim but apparently I just don't possess the willpower to leave it laying around. Even with every day use I can achieve a nice roll, although once tolerence set in I had to increase my dose by 50%(100mg to 150mgs) but it still felt great without too many negative side effects. Is it safe to say I'm due for some massive serotonin depletion? As much as I love this one I guess Im going to have to call it quits since responsible use does not seem to be an option.

I'm assuming you switch to nasal dosing in the pm for shorter duration to allow for sleep, and I'm wondering roughly how long after insufflating a dose is sleep achievable with and without sleep aids (benzos, mary jane, etc.)?

 

[bluespeed]

4-FA is probably better for your heart than the slew of random phenethylamines and other 'stimulants' in energy drinks.

Naah don't think so. Commercial energy drinks are safer for everyday use as the effects are very well known. I don't know where you live but over here you have exact content written on the can. Most energy drinks are stimulating thanks to caffeine and taurine only and these 2 substances are known to be safe on heart in usual doses.
While taking potentially euphoric stim, even in non-euphoric doses every day is way to hell IMO.

Have an important exam and haven't sleep at all? Sure, take 20-40mg 4-FA it will help nicely. But I wouldn't do it more frequently than once per 1-2 weeks.

I've already read at least 2 reports that everyday taking of 4-FA leads to high blood pressure, much much faster than high doses of caffeine.

 

[kobrahx]

I took 125mg yesterday I felt a little euphoria for 45 min the majority of it was stimulation. how much should I take this weekend? 200mg a safe dose?
also has anyone taken phenibut or some kind of benzo on it? some of you are talking about lying down in a euphoric state nodded off how do I achieve that?

 

[Septonn]

Had my first proper experience with this substance last thursday after a small testing dose half a week before that. 100mg with a 40mg redose 2 hours later.. Loved it! Talkative, energetic, horny as fuck lol. Definitely a keeper. I'm thinking of using it again in about two weeks at a rave, and then using MDMA exactly one week later. Since both play around with serotonine but 4-FA to a lesse extent, any hints on how much this will influence the MDMA experience? People on here who have used these two compounds in this fashion?

 

[bloodshed344]

Naah don't think so. Commercial energy drinks are safer for everyday use as the effects are very well known. I don't know where you live but over here you have exact content written on the can. Most energy drinks are stimulating thanks to caffeine and taurine only and these 2 substances are known to be safe on heart in usual doses.
While taking potentially euphoric stim, even in non-euphoric doses every day is way to hell IMO.

Have an important exam and haven't sleep at all? Sure, take 20-40mg 4-FA it will help nicely. But I wouldn't do it more frequently than once per 1-2 weeks.

I've already read at least 2 reports that everyday taking of 4-FA leads to high blood pressure, much much faster than high doses of caffeine.

That doesn't say anything about how dangerous it is in the long run. I really bet 4-FA is better for you than all those phenethylamine analogs. They have analogs of meth where the alpha methyl is instead at the beta position, and that is in weight training products and energy drinks.

 

[HighestWhenLow]

Had my first proper experience with this substance last thursday after a small testing dose half a week before that. 100mg with a 40mg redose 2 hours later.. Loved it! Talkative, energetic, horny as fuck lol. Definitely a keeper. I'm thinking of using it again in about two weeks at a rave, and then using MDMA exactly one week later. Since both play around with serotonine but 4-FA to a lesse extent, any hints on how much this will influence the MDMA experience? People on here who have used these two compounds in this fashion?

I've used 4-fa a week before an MDMA experience and although the mdma was a fun experience it was also clear that the my body was not fully mended from the 4-fa. Basically I was in a great mood but not euphoric, I was more appreciative of others but I wasn't overcome with empathy for all people, music sounded great but not magical.

The way I see it, 4-fa is a intriguing, very fun and potentially rewarding substance, but it is definitely not worth dampening the magic of a roll. If i'm going to commit a flood of neurotransmitters to an ecstasy experience I don't want it to be lackluster.

I took 125mg yesterday I felt a little euphoria for 45 min the majority of it was stimulation. how much should I take this weekend? 200mg a safe dose?
also has anyone taken phenibut or some kind of benzo on it? some of you are talking about lying down in a euphoric state nodded off how do I achieve that?

125 to 200 is a HUGE jump from a harm reduction standpoint in my opinion. If it doesn't hospitalize you it will definitely leave you hella overstimulated for at least 12 hours.

Last year after using 4-fa several times in a month my standard dose of 120mg ceased to deliver the (mild) empathic and entactogenic effects I had come to enjoy so much. I upped it to 130 the next time with minimal change in effects, and so I got impatient and leapt up to 240mg (160mg + 80mg at T+00:45), a decision which caused me to violently vomit from being so overstimulated and dehydrated.

This was one of two times in 7ish years of extensive drug use that I genuinely feared for my life, and the other time was after going on a cocaine & mdma binge with coke was mixed with ketamine (a detail my "buddy" forgot to tell me until after the fact). Point being, 4-FA is relatively benign at reasonable doses but push it too far and it will push back.

In your case, I'd recommend upping your dose by 25mg until you find what you're looking for, but I wouldn't be surprised if 150 proves to be enough, for me 120mg is just a little too weak for my tastes but 140 is perfect.

 

[Septonn]

I've used 4-fa a week before an MDMA experience and although the mdma was a fun experience it was also clear that the my body was not fully mended from the 4-fa. Basically I was in a great mood but not euphoric, I was more appreciative of others but I wasn't overcome with empathy for all people, music sounded great but not magical.

The way I see it, 4-fa is a intriguing, very fun and potentially rewarding substance, but it is definitely not worth dampening the magic of a roll. If i'm going to commit a flood of neurotransmitters to an ecstasy experience I don't want it to be lackluster.

Right, thats settled then. Got a few great pills lined up that I would hate to see wasted :D

 

[Lady Codone]

Naah don't think so. Commercial energy drinks are safer for everyday use as the effects are very well known. I don't know where you live but over here you have exact content written on the can. Most energy drinks are stimulating thanks to caffeine and taurine only and these 2 substances are known to be safe on heart in usual doses.
While taking potentially euphoric stim, even in non-euphoric doses every day is way to hell IMO.

Have an important exam and haven't sleep at all? Sure, take 20-40mg 4-FA it will help nicely. But I wouldn't do it more frequently than once per 1-2 weeks.

I've already read at least 2 reports that everyday taking of 4-FA leads to high blood pressure, much much faster than high doses of caffeine.

The dose makes the poison. If we're comparing 3 Monster Energy drinks in a day vs. 30-40 mg of 4-FA, the 4-FA would probably be less taxing on the body. Caffeine overdose is a real thing and can be fatal.

 

[alkz]

Tried this for the first time last night 130mg altogether and I must say the euphoria is amazing.
I really enjoyed 4-fa

 

[gaktattack]

I have used somewhere on the order of 25 grams of 4-fa in the last 3-4 months. I was using it daily for two weeks but it is an intoxicant, and it caused me to make poor choices at work and during a very important phone interview. I now only use it on weekends. Without a proper scale, it is hard for me to judge doses, but I would guess 300-500mg sipped over 8 hours(could be more, the rate at which I have consumed the weighted bags indicates more).

When I do my weekly Friday night into Saturday binge, I get a "rebound" blood pressure issue(the longer the binge the worse the effects) When I stand up I nearly faint. This can go on for 6 or more hours, and I have learned to use pilot's g-lock techniques to stay conscious. Prior to that I had to walk around with my torso lowered to keep my blood flowing where it needs to. Once I am up and acclimated, I am good until I bend over for something or sit etc. During the week, I use nothing other than caffeine and nicotine.

One more noted effect, I will get sleep paralysis bouts the second or third night after a binge. The first time scared the hell out of me, but fortunately I recalled seeing a documentary on it which calmed me down(took an hour) after what initially seemed to be one hellacious ghost/demonic encounter which is really hard for an atheist to come to grips with. With a little googling I had found that amp's and MDMA etc can induce sleep paralysis after a comedown.

I am concerned to say the least, and often google to see how many people offer similar experiences... there are only a few mentionings of fainting.

One more thing, it tears my stomach up something terrible. I get nausea the next day and a very unsettled feeling in my stomach. I have a strong constitution and nearly never vomit, 4-fa doesn't take me that far, but it is far from comfortable the next day.

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

I forgot to ask, has anyone else experienced this: Every time I take 4-fa later that night and the next day my tonsils and uvula are all red and inflamed and soar. Wtf is up with that? I am not snorting it as you might think.. only have ever taken it orally.

Anyone else experience this?

I was just reading back through the thread, and this is the only time I saw this particularity mentioned. It does happen to me, the worst with amphetamine, but my throat already feels a bit scratchy (@30 hrs. in) from the 4-FA.

I think this occurs from not eating, but it's bizarre - it can occur in less then 15-20 hrs. Drinking fluids doesn't seem to prevent this irritation from occurring. All anorexic stimulants seem to have this effect on me. I found some people on message boards for ADD describing a similar occurrence, but couldn't find more information.

And if you eat something it can start to hurt a bit, but it is all raw, so if you keep eating it can become astoundingly painful! This irritation often leaves as fast as it comes, when it is at it's worse, I find it helpful to chew food far better than normal, and eat slowly, if it gets too bad, just drink cold water and wait a bit..

EDIT: Let me just emphasize, holy shit, how much it hurts. I chewed a handful of roasted peanuts and bam it rubbed my throat, and after that every swallow was shooting pain until I sipped on some milk. I think the thickened secretions from the milk helps to coat your throat, and helps with the pain. I think I need to eat something less abrasive slowly, the soarness goes away as fast as it comes. Anyone know exactly why this occurs?

I think this "fainting" is really orthostatic hypotension, at least it is for me, but it happens from standing too quickly, not the opposite. It has to do with the systems meant to release pressors to rapidly change blood pressure, and them either lagging or getting out of sync (due to the profound vascoconstricting effects of these drugs

The maneuvers you are doing do similar things to these pressors, mainly making sure that blood doesn't all the suddenly leave your head and you pass out. I don't know which variables are responsible, but I've binged for a good day and a half and I don't have it right now. The other day I took 60mg and felt it pretty strongly almost immediately with little euphoria.

I dunno what that means.

I get it too... some times, but only very mildly. I won't ever come close to fainting, but if I stand up quickly on stimulants I can get a little light headed and dizzy. I have never experienced sleep paralysis, ever - with or without drugs.

 

[Grondelduck]

Hey there, I have a question about a dosing low just to give an evening an extra boost. First off, I have extensive experience with d-amp and racemic amph, and I've taking 4-FA on quite a few occasions. However, I always used to dose at around 120-150mg to get the real experience from it. Tonight I was contemplating taking 2 50mg caps with me. It's not my intention to tweak out as the situation doesn't call for that in my opinion, but I would like to feel a bit of the energy and feeling of wellbeing without it dominating my state of mind. Would you guys say 50mg would be a good dose for this, or should I be thinking about 65-70mg?

Edit: In case anyone is interested in low doses of 4-FA, I'll post a small update. Dropped the first 50mg which resulted in some energy and talkativeness and just a general happy state of being, without any physical or mental discomfort during and after. Another 1.5h in I dropped the second dose and it pretty much prolonged it while not intensifying it noticeably. Overall a very pleasant and mild experience. I've heard it being used as a substitute for mdma in combination with methylone. This is something I haven't done yet seeing as mdma has not been hard to get, nor do I really have much interest in because I might as well take the real thing then. Each time I drop 4FA I am pleasantly surprised by how gentle and pleasant 4FA is compared to regular amphetamine and mdma. Up untill now every dose up to 180mg has been very enjoyable. I only use mdma once every 2 months and have done it a lot more in the past so unfortunately it has kind of lost it's magic for me, nor do I feel the need to roll hard nowadays. I highly appreciate 4FA's sane state of happiness. For smaller events I'll definitely start bringing it along more.

I have no comedown whatsoever from higher doses, but some friends argue they suffer more from it than they do on mdma. I find it hard to imagine.

 

[Morpheus19]

For me, 4-fa is a bitch regarding the hangover. The first day after a binge isn't too bad, probably because of its long halflife. The real comedown kicks in on day 2-4. Anyone else experienced this?