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RCs Big n Dandy 4-FA (4-fluoroamphetamine) thread v.1.0

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lol. thats interesting, i like just capsuling it and swallowing it, its no harder than taking a vitamin. but i cant find anywhere online, how long does it take to peak? i am at 1 hour right now on the dot and i feel lighter and kinda happy. im wondering if i should take another 75 or just wait till another time and start with 100. if i knew how long it peaked and lasted tho i could decide on taking a lil more. thanks 6A
 
well i went ahead and took another 75 mg at the 1 hour 15 minute mark. so 150 mg total over an hour or so. hopefully this catches up with the 1st one and comes together really well. i really like where im at right now but its really light, so i figure why not.
 
ok yeah its been about 3 hours now since the 1st 75 mgs and i can feel it ALOT better than i could half an hour ago. it no longer has the "somethings missing" feeling, its a pretty content buzz at this point. very light bruxism, im not grinding my teeth at this point but i am clenching. music sounds really good, and i feel really positive and open. 4FA to me, orally, feels like its similar to methylone, but less speedy and less intense/euphoria, eye wiggles, and stuff. i mean i do feel really good right now, but on methylone i made an ass out of myself (i felt). but yea im thinking it may have taken longer to come on all the way bc i put it inside a thick capsule. i was going to do some 4MEC to jumpstart it 20 minutes ago, but then i almost had a wow moment. this stuff is good by itself, but im going to try some 4 here in a bit. the 1st two hours of the buzz just kinda sat in one spot for a bit. could have been that i was just watching tv and not using my brain a whole lot.
 
125mg oral. THAT is a good dose size if you want to make it worth your while. I'd quit dicking around with the 50-75mg do ses. YOur not going to get what you want out of the experience if you do.
Also, just a suggestion for the threads sake. 4-FA combod with MDAI is just about the best combo out there thats still available to legally get in the states IMO.
 
sighhill said:
^^^I feel the same way. Probably has a little do to my high stim tolerance though.

I would suggest oral. Snorting a little the first time I got my hands onto it was a bad experience for me. Burns and the drip is horrible with very little effect.
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Yeah I just sniffed inside the bag and just the "dust" that floats around got in my nose and even that tiny little bit burned. I can imagine how bad it would hurt to snort this shit. Snorting anything is stupid...especially snorting 4-FA will just make you look like a moron...LOL mix it with water and drink it. That is the only way it should be done.

PS- SIGHILL- Ive never tried MDAI. I hear it's basically bunk from most people. But you say combo with 4-FA makes it good? I liked the 6-apb/4-FA combo...have you ever tried that and if so, how does it compare to the MDAI combo? I think 4-FA is definitely the number 1 legal RC for the USA right now if taking on it's own. But combos with this seem to mimic a MDMA roll better than any other drugs out there..
 
i ended up doing 50 mg 4MEC intranasally about 3.5 hours into the 4FA experience. it was awesome. i was watching the simpsons and their movements looked like they were wiggling and smudging across the screen instead of walking. it brought out laughter as well which wasnt there before. on just the 4FA i had a pretty good vibe. it was more like a serious kind of high, but once the 4MEC came into play, it made ALL the difference. i had eye wiggles like on a good dose of methylone. i did end up doing ALOT of clenching but not really any grinding. ended up going through .20 gram of 4MEC within 4 hours. each dose of 50 mg seemed to last a good hour and a half of being completely satisfied. time was just sliding by. ive never went through this much 4MEC in a session. that "mongy headspace" as some people call it, was the ultimate sidekick. it will most definitely be trying that again. i got 5 hours of sleep, felt slightly drained upon waking up but i feel really, really good right now. absolutely have an afterglow and still some drymouth. id give 4FA a good rating, but id recommend no less than 125 mg oral, and would suggest something safe, to mesh in with it. cannabis went really well with it. i thought.

The only negative effects i really got were i started to get that bad taste in my mouth. i couldnt enjoy my kush or pineberry. they tasted like a black and mild almost lol.. kinda like trying to smoke on welbutrin actually. and id start to get impulses to send someone a message, or launch an idea, but then at the last second feel its a bad idea or something. this part reminded me of those rolls with crappy amp slightly. where you are about to get really into something then just a feeling of doubt and disconnectedness hits you for a flash of a second.
 
Aphex747 said:
The only negative effects i really got were i started to get that bad taste in my mouth. i couldnt enjoy my kush or pineberry. they tasted like a black and mild almost lol.. kinda like trying to smoke on welbutrin actually.
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Have you smoked wellbutrin before? How was that? 8o

A friend brought over a bottle of wellbutrin once back when we were doing lots of MDPV and tried shooting it. He told me it was awesome so I tried it once, but it didn't do much for me. He was all about it though. I told him go ahead if he wanted to but for me it wasn't worth putting pill fillers into my arm at all. Just stuck with the MDPV.

I don't recommend either at all, btw!!! Very low point in my life.

-SimStim
 
simstimstar said:
Have you smoked wellbutrin before? How was that? 8o

A friend brought over a bottle of wellbutrin once back when we were doing lots of MDPV and tried shooting it. He told me it was awesome so I tried it once, but it didn't do much for me. He was all about it though. I told him go ahead if he wanted to but for me it wasn't worth putting pill fillers into my arm at all. Just stuck with the MDPV.

I don't recommend either at all, btw!!! Very low point in my life.


-SimStim
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no. if you read more carefully you'll see i said smoking "on" welbutrin. it makes smoke taste worse than dirty socks. ^and for the sake of harm reduction and further confusion, ive never ate dirty socks, it was a figurative comparison ; )
 
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does anyone know if 4FA has a cieling effect? im planning on doing 150 mg oral next time, from what i understand thats about as much as you want to take, some people say anymore is a waste. im wondering is it a waste, because theres really only so high you can get from it, or at higher doses does the euphoria and body buzz increase? im looking forwards to my next experiment. im giving myself a week to ensure theres no tolerance. i plan on doin a trip report as well
 
Aphex747 said:
does anyone know if 4FA has a cieling effect? im planning on doing 150 mg oral next time, from what i understand thats about as much as you want to take, some people say anymore is a waste. im wondering is it a waste, because theres really only so high you can get from it, or at higher doses does the euphoria and body buzz increase? im looking forwards to my next experiment. im giving myself a week to ensure theres no tolerance. i plan on doin a trip report as well
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My first thought upon reading this is that you might as wel go for mdma instead then. What I like about 4FA is that it feels like the little brother of mdma. I imagine you could get a stronger buzz as you increase your dose (though I have heard that above 200mg overstimulation may occur), but if it's strong euphoria and a full fledged body buzz you're after I wouldn't use 4FA.
 
i WISH i could get mdxx here. methylone was really cool and since its illegal in the us, im trying to find the next closest thing. yea im looking for the cleanest, most euphoric material i can find. 4FA and 4MEC felt kinda close to a good methylone roll, but cleaner and less speedy.
 
Nothing can really replace mdma in my opinion. Methylone is fun stuff but it just leaves me wanting real molly instead. Ghb after the peak of 4fa or combined with racemic amphetamine gave me a great rush though, which I really enjoyed. Though dosing that properly can be a bitch.

On a unrelated note, dropped about 10mg 2cb after having had about 150mg 4fa last Thursday, but it hit me as hard as a 25mg dose would. Does 4fa have a potentiating effect on 2cb, and if so, does it have this effect on others phens like 2cd/2ci as well?
 
On the occassions that I've combined stims like methylone & mdma with a 2c-xx I've found that the psychedelic side of the experience is enhanced. I have not mixed 4-fa with any psyches yet but I read of a research effort many years ago where 2c-d was combined with 4-fa & the 2c-d appeared to lengthen the 4-fa experience & reduce the amount of 4-fa needed for the usual session. I think this research was reported at a rival Drugs Forum to BL.

Anyway, in my own admittedly limited experience, certain of the more gentle stimulants & some of the more easy going psychedelics do seem to synergise very pleasantly, enhancng one another & giving a more grounded, party-minded psychedelic experience.
 
what do you guys think about 4FA and psilocybe mushrooms? i have a descent amoung of both, and they seem like they would go really well together. i just want to make sure it wouldnt cause a seratonin syndrome or something similar
 
Aphex747 said:
i WISH i could get mdxx here. methylone was really cool and since its illegal in the us, im trying to find the next closest thing. yea im looking for the cleanest, most euphoric material i can find. 4FA and 4MEC felt kinda close to a good methylone roll, but cleaner and less speedy.
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I had some decent experiences with butylone that I would say were pretty close to methylone. It's less potent so requires more material, but it's still legal. For me I would say butylone is closer to the feeling of methylone/MDMA than 4FA was.

Cheers,
-SimStim
 
People have been mixing mushrooms with mdma for years and I never heard anything other than it was awesome. Since 4fa is not as strong as mdma by a long way, I wouldn't personally hesitate to try it. Also a lot of studies were done in clinical trials with psilocybin/amphetamine combo and also lsd with amphetamine or methylphenidate. The general conclusion was that the stim seemed to increase the confidence of the subject going into it providing a better experience with much less anxiety. Don't remember the exact wording of the abstract. Was something I found on Erowid, I believe. Or possibly something from an article or book about LSD. Too tired to look, now - ambien.

Cheers,
-SimStim
 
i could totally see that. if i was feeling that really good 4FA mindset, it would be the perfect setting to take a trip. im going to have to try this at some point for sure and do a good trip report on it. the sweet spot for me with the strain of shrooms i have seems to be 1.7 im thinking the 4FA buzz could maybe potentiate the shrooms, so when i do try it, maybe ill just eat a gram or 1.2 the 1st time. thanks for the advice, sounds good to me : )
 
My 4-FA looks a bit tan kinda off white beige and isn't very fine. As someone said b4 its like functional speed although i dont like street speed, 4-FA is given me some funn times. To the person asking about dosing and combos, getting drunk on 4-FA is wonderful, kinda smoothes out the edges, and beer tastes like water on it because your already dehydrated as hell lol. Oh I did do the tongue thing and it for sure burns. I've heard you should treat this as an MDxx drug and take up to week or month breaks, but for me, as long as I sleep well, say 2 or 3 days in a row isnt to bad but judge your body. Peace yall.
 
Grondelduck said:
Nothing can really replace mdma in my opinion. Methylone is fun stuff but it just leaves me wanting real molly instead. Ghb after the peak of 4fa or combined with racemic amphetamine gave me a great rush though, which I really enjoyed. Though dosing that properly can be a bitch.

On a unrelated note, dropped about 10mg 2cb after having had about 150mg 4fa last Thursday, but it hit me as hard as a 25mg dose would. Does 4fa have a potentiating effect on 2cb, and if so, does it have this effect on others phens like 2cd/2ci as well?
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others I would say yes, after 5mg of 2ci snorted i got some good visuals on a 4-fa binge.
 
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