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RCs Big n Dandy 4-FA (4-fluoroamphetamine) thread v.1.0

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120 mg 4-FA and 150 mg MDAI is actually a pretty damn good combo. The doses of each are pretty conservative so it doesn't feel too hard on the body, and I was actually able to sleep pretty soon after the positive effects wore off. Just a tip :)
 
At around 4 hours ago I ingested orally approx. 120mg of 4-FA, 1.5 hrs ago 25mg of ethylphenidate was also ingested. I'm around 120lb. 5'4" with a good tolerance and experience with many stimulants. I'm frankly surprised of the euphoric tingles going through my body. I have a good amount of energy so I will be working on my CAD drawings for a while.(in school for civil engineering) In no way do I recommend this combo for beginners or of stimulant sensitive individuals. Oh, forgot to mention the 50mg booster of 4-FA before taking the ETH(sorry):) I have noticed that 4-FA does good for social interaction AND focus in me but with the obvious pupil dilation I only take it when drawing or doing whatever at home. Ethylphenidate just works as a straight workhorse stimulant for me. Anybody else try this combo?
 
homeydontplaythat said:
this shit put my friend in the hospital. he tried to kill himself. had paranoid attack. totally skitzo. it was horrible to see. he didnt even take that much. he took butylone earlier in the day, then stayed up all night from drinking some 4fa mixed in water. i would never touch it with a ten foot pole. he still has residual paranoia from it to this day and has to antipsychotics for it. he also messed with 4mec and mppp as well though and was IVing them.

however, when he tried to kill himself it was the 4 fa. never ever seen anything like it. didnt even take a large dose.
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Sorry to hear about your friend, sounds definitely like stimulant overload and amphetamine psychosis. He will recover hopefully. How large was his dose? Butylone would have definitively made a small dose of 4-FA feel like a OD i imagine...
 
I doubt I will ever take this drug myself, but all knowledge is power, even knowledge that can be used to get high.

Has anyone ever used this drug while on a low maintenance dose of opiates? Any neuro-toxic effects from this combination?

Exactly how long is the half life again, without reading 24 pages of anecdote? If I take it in the morning can I sleep at night?

How would you compare it to similar RCs? What RCs would you compare it to? If this is a 'long acting' drug, then what would a shorter acting one be, just for perspective?
 
My guess is that halflife is similar to meth, that is 10 hours. But I don't it's exactly known yet as with most RCs.
 
Rogue_Alchemist said:
I doubt I will ever take this drug myself, but all knowledge is power, even knowledge that can be used to get high.

Has anyone ever used this drug while on a low maintenance dose of opiates? Any neuro-toxic effects from this combination?

Exactly how long is the half life again, without reading 24 pages of anecdote? If I take it in the morning can I sleep at night?

How would you compare it to similar RCs? What RCs would you compare it to? If this is a 'long acting' drug, then what would a shorter acting one be, just for perspective?
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im on 90mgs of done everyday....it mixes well. It does not last 10 hrs unless youre stim intolerant
 
Half-life has nothing to do with how long the effects subjectively last (well at least not in direct proportion). I really think that h-life will be around 10 hours but the "high" effects last no more than 3-4 hours, with no stim tolerance. However inability to sleep can easily last those 10 hours.
 
homeydontplaythat said:
i have seen meth psychosis and this basically rivaled it.
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Yes, and everyone should remember that "amphetamine" psychosis can potentially come from any stimulant. Whether it's cocaine, methylphenidate, 4-mec, etc. If it's a stimulant, psychosis is a real possibility.

Contributing factors are stress, lack of sleep, poor nutrition, dose, set, setting, and mainly bingeing.

Once it happens to you, nearly 100% guaranteed to happen again.

Be careful folks. Especially playin' with needles, high doses of stimulants, prolonged use, or all three.

Cheers,
-SimStim
 
I think if your friend had some strong prescription sleep meds and some counseling from a good friend he might of came out ok who knows. But a trip to the hospital and a life on looney pills, not worth it. Withdrawal symptoms from psych meds rivals or is even worse than a meth psychosis.
 
XTC4Life said:
I think if your friend had some strong prescription sleep meds and some counseling from a good friend he might of came out ok who knows. But a trip to the hospital and a life on looney pills, not worth it. Withdrawal symptoms from psych meds rivals or is even worse than a meth psychosis.
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When I finally kicked MDPV in 2010 I was so terrified I couldn't even sleep at night. My doc wrote me a script for ambien (zolpidem) at night and neurontin (gabapentin) during the day and this made all the difference. I wasn't afraid to be home alone anymore or sleeping with knives in the bed ;)

Once you get the psychosis you should never, ever, ever try to take something like ambien to try and come down. Even phenazepam. It will only make things MUCH worse! I speak from experience here.

Even if you have had the psychosis in the past and are feeling fine now, you shouldn't take z-drugs or benzos to try and come down. Can make the psychosis quickly rear it's ugly head.

I promise not to post anymore about this topic (which is not 4-fa) anymore in this thread! Just hoping I can help some others to avoid problems. Otherwise I have been through a whole lot of crazy bad shit for nothing. Better me than you, right?

Cheers,
-SimStim
 
change-jug said:
That`s one thing that sucks about the grey market. No regulation. Sometimes my 4-fa looks one way,other times, another way. The last time I had 4-fa it gave me a 2 day headache after each session. Less than cool.
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yeah it's fucking wierd one time ill do it and it will be amazing euphoria minimal comedown than a week later (SAME VENDOR SAME PACKAGING SAME CONSISTENSY EVERYTHING LIKE THAT!!!!) And it's like a comedown in a vial...horrible anxiety and HORRIBLE HEADACHE for two three days...it's like hit or miss with me :(
 
I tried 4-fluoroamphetamine today for the first time, and I must say I'm very impressed. I'm a little disappointed about the potency being as low as it is, but the goods I received are of very high quality so I am getting my fill out of it. It is a lot smoother than amphetamine salt combo and dextroamphetamine, but so far from my experience not as euphoric as methamphetamine is. Even at a real low dose, 5mg, methamphetamine can be quite euphoric. I'll try a large dose to drop at once before work tomorrow. If it last as long as people say, I should be able to take some 30 minutes before work and be able to still enjoy some reading when I get home for myself.

This RC has excited me to actually want to look into a few of these stims, particularly the fluorinated aromatic amphetamines. I want to stay away from beta-ketones and thiophenes but amphetamines I'm a bit more comfortable with if they don't have any obvious nasty metabolites (4-CA for example).
 
Without an amphetamine tolerance, I find 100 mg orally to be sufficient. Could probably go higher but at that dose I get wonderful euphoria without physical stimulation (which can cause me to get anxious).
 
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it is quite freaking active, orally. some things just dont work unless you use a certain ROA but this stuff....there is no need to IV it. i only mention that since that is the highest on the chain of ROAs. well, IM would be the same but with a slower onset. im glad many here seem to not have had a bad experience with it. however, with RCs, you really are playing with fire. you never know what the fuck it is. i would feel more comfortable buying street H than 4-fa from a vendor i did not know well. i guess the moral is know your vendor well....er something.
 
I noticed 4-FA mixed real well with Etizolam. Partly it may be because of my benzo tolerance, reducing the number of side-effects I get with each dose, but etizolam itself is already not very sedating with the recommend amount of etizolam for insomnia according to wiki is 1-2mg before bed (for me this would be closer to 3-4mg). Because IMO the lack of sedating properties yet with anxiolytic and muscle relaxant properties, it complimented the stim high with out decreasing it's effects like what you'd expect with a heavy sedating drug to do to a stimulant.

I found it also mixes real well with methadone. I don't like amphetamine salts and methadone, honestly I really hate this combo, as it's either be on amps or done, can't be a synergy. 4-FA mixes smoothly with methadone, adding a lovely body high to the 4-FA and the complementing euphoria's are fantastic. I wish I had some desoxyn right now in front of me to compared. I only tried desoxyn 5mg once and that was with 20-25mg of oxymorphone (fantastic experience, one of my favorite drug experiences). If even that small 5mg could synergize so well with oxymorphone I wonder how meth would work with methadone. I should look into some of the other fluoroamphetamines and maybe I'll find a great substitute for speedballs with methadone or other opioids.

Anyway, time for work. Last day of tax season. ~120-30mg of 4-fa down the hatch and 15mg smoked and 10mg nasal. Last night I even did a 1 mg vape of 2c-p, was kinda interesting, worked kidna nice with the 4-fa. I bet it'll work better with just a low dose methadone day and the 2c-p.

I might indulge in a 2c-p trip tonight, but maybe not. I much rather have a day where the parents aren't home and I'm free to trip starting around 10 in the morning. We'll see what happens. I wont jump into anything I'm not feeling.
 
homeydontplaythat said:
consistency issues should never really happen though they always do, except with one vendor i know who always and i do mean ALWAYS has the same consistent products. tis nice, i must say. also, his 4 fa is the best out there. im not sourcing but there is a HUGE dif between fa from one vendor(great rep) where it is just like functional speed
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said vendor whos fa is the closest thing to m1/MDMA there is.

the difference is fucking staggering. i feel so bad for people getting functional speed and never even knowing there is better stuff out there.
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honestly the difference isnt That staggering. I have had shit that made me almost end up in er...Bunk impurities. I have had five batches of 4-fa.The only one that compared to mdxx was the sparkling white clumpy one that rolled into balls it was so damn clumpy and shiny. 80mgs of that had me floored for 3 hours....I havent dosed that high with this chemical again though do I dunno. I am sick of the bs regarding different batches. I wonder if the vendor I got the better stuff from is even around.
 
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