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RCs Big n Dandy 4-FA (4-fluoroamphetamine) thread v.1.0
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2-FA is nicer than 4-FA, more relaxed high, that lasts longer
And more potent by weight.
Hardcoreprawn
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Is 2FMC the same as 2FMA?
InhaleDeep
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I'm getting some of this stuff in the next few days. Considering I'm used to snorting burning substances, do you think I'd be okay snorting it or is it really THAT irritating to the nose? I have some wounds in it already from the last meph binge :/ but I don't trust oral consumation all that much...
BananasAndOranges
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I am as well. Do Not snort. I have spent two months recovering from nassttyyyyy pnemonia to ear fluid to hacking orange shit up.for snorting mec. Oral is wayyy better for this one imho anyway
BananasAndOranges
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Can you tell me What 2 fa looks like texture wise I think I took it....makes sense the bag was labeled 2 fa....hm2-FA is nicer than 4-FA, more relaxed high, that lasts longer
InhaleDeep
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Yes, 4-FMP and 4-FA are both names for the same substance.
BananasAndOranges
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Hi BananasAO. I can't tell you cos 2-FA, they were already in bombs, ready to be dropped.
4-FA is a plain white powder with no smell. It tastes horrid, though, so parachute it
Do not snort FA's, I repeat do not snort FA's.
All I know is this was the first time getting it. It was crystallineish so I mushed it into powder. It didnt feel like 4-fa at All just very strong stimulation with a tingly stomach it Did feel nice though. After awhile I Knew it wasnt the real deal then got the clumpy super white powder 4-fa. The first onejust differed so much I wish I knew what it was.
atrollappears
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I got 10g of this stuff, knowing that I'd like it. White, fine, odorless powder, but I'm waiting on marquis reagent in the mail. (According to dancesafe it has no reaction to marquis or the other standard tests besides the one that looks for primary amines.)
Night 1:
Took 120 mg orally, 10 mg nasally at T+0:00. Friend (we'll call her R) took 120 mg, no tolerance to any kind of stimulant. First alert felt at T+0:30. The effects built until about T+1:30 and plateued for maybe 30 minutes then dropped off. R started experiencing nervousness at about T:0:50, which persisted for 20 or 30 minutes, until serotonergic effects kicked in and abolished her anxiety. The high lasted longer for her than for me: off of that one dose, she felt euphoric, or at least good, until maybe T+6:00. I believe her nervousness and longer-lasting reward were the result of her having no amphetamine tolerance: since I have a rather large amphetamine tolerance, I was probably less susceptible to DA/NA release. It was also far more sedating for me, which makes sense with this theory. It was like the E pills I've had in the past, but slightly less intense (never tried pure MDMA). I had, however, recently stopped taking St. John's Wort so it's possible my receptors/transporters were still downregulated. At T+4:00 I snorted a total of 120 mg. The burn was not as bad as I was lead to believe, and quickly went away. Went to go socialize, and began to feel the effects. I found it intensely sedating. Suddenly, I noticed a visual change: the amount of visual static I saw jumped. Tracers became apparent. Someone asked me if I was okay, because apparently I looked like I was about to cry. Really, I was just incredibly relaxed and euphoric. This was at least as intense as the E pills I have taken. Upon entering a dark room, I immediately noticed simple patterns of bright colors. I have never experienced psychedelic effects from E. Again, this lasted for a few hours, then dropped off. I did not attempt to sleep until T+12:00, but at that point sleep was easily attained with the help of benzos.
Night 2:
The next night, I took it again. This time, 240 mg intranasally. This was probably more intense than the effects received upon the second dose the night before (not too much tolerance). Again, intensely sedating, but dancing was very fun. Intense euphoria while dancing, but eventually I didn't like the loud and dark environment around me though. I wanted to talk to people but could only dance. Sleep was easily achieved at T+11:00, though I still saw patterning as I closed my eyes.
Some notes:
1. I found myself attentive to the concerns of my friends even after the overt euphoria had vanished. Perhaps serotonin release is still present in the cortex at this point but not the basal ganglia?
2. The euphoria comes in very distinct waves. At the peaks the euphoria is one of the strongest I've experienced. At the valleys it's closer to baseline than it is to the peaks.
3. Though 4-FA does last a long time, I find that it's actually possible to sleep much earlier than it is with d-amp. I may still feel the effects, but be able to sleep regardless. I attribute this to comparatively low NA release.
4. What's up with this weird psychedelic effect? I've heard this mentioned only twice: on another forum, and the first page of this thread. (Haven't read through the rest of this thread.)
Night 1:
Took 120 mg orally, 10 mg nasally at T+0:00. Friend (we'll call her R) took 120 mg, no tolerance to any kind of stimulant. First alert felt at T+0:30. The effects built until about T+1:30 and plateued for maybe 30 minutes then dropped off. R started experiencing nervousness at about T:0:50, which persisted for 20 or 30 minutes, until serotonergic effects kicked in and abolished her anxiety. The high lasted longer for her than for me: off of that one dose, she felt euphoric, or at least good, until maybe T+6:00. I believe her nervousness and longer-lasting reward were the result of her having no amphetamine tolerance: since I have a rather large amphetamine tolerance, I was probably less susceptible to DA/NA release. It was also far more sedating for me, which makes sense with this theory. It was like the E pills I've had in the past, but slightly less intense (never tried pure MDMA). I had, however, recently stopped taking St. John's Wort so it's possible my receptors/transporters were still downregulated. At T+4:00 I snorted a total of 120 mg. The burn was not as bad as I was lead to believe, and quickly went away. Went to go socialize, and began to feel the effects. I found it intensely sedating. Suddenly, I noticed a visual change: the amount of visual static I saw jumped. Tracers became apparent. Someone asked me if I was okay, because apparently I looked like I was about to cry. Really, I was just incredibly relaxed and euphoric. This was at least as intense as the E pills I have taken. Upon entering a dark room, I immediately noticed simple patterns of bright colors. I have never experienced psychedelic effects from E. Again, this lasted for a few hours, then dropped off. I did not attempt to sleep until T+12:00, but at that point sleep was easily attained with the help of benzos.
Night 2:
The next night, I took it again. This time, 240 mg intranasally. This was probably more intense than the effects received upon the second dose the night before (not too much tolerance). Again, intensely sedating, but dancing was very fun. Intense euphoria while dancing, but eventually I didn't like the loud and dark environment around me though. I wanted to talk to people but could only dance. Sleep was easily achieved at T+11:00, though I still saw patterning as I closed my eyes.
Some notes:
1. I found myself attentive to the concerns of my friends even after the overt euphoria had vanished. Perhaps serotonin release is still present in the cortex at this point but not the basal ganglia?
2. The euphoria comes in very distinct waves. At the peaks the euphoria is one of the strongest I've experienced. At the valleys it's closer to baseline than it is to the peaks.
3. Though 4-FA does last a long time, I find that it's actually possible to sleep much earlier than it is with d-amp. I may still feel the effects, but be able to sleep regardless. I attribute this to comparatively low NA release.
4. What's up with this weird psychedelic effect? I've heard this mentioned only twice: on another forum, and the first page of this thread. (Haven't read through the rest of this thread.)
atrollappears
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Quick clarification: The psychedelic effect was not a main aspect of the experience, just something I noticed a few times. The happy serotonin feeling was the focus: I got the tingly feelings that one gets from E, and at least as intense. Large sections of my body would alternate between tingling pleasurably.
Also, I was extremely good at CoD despite not having played in years ;D
Also, I was extremely good at CoD despite not having played in years ;D
atrollappears
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Euphoria seems to vary widely between people for this chemical. True euphoria for me seems to occur after consuming 240 mg. 130 was good, but not euphoric, and didn't last long enough.
By the way, why do some of you say not to consume more than 200 mg or to redose? I have experienced no toxic effects from this drug, maybe a hint of a headache as I came up the first time, nothing more. No nausea, reasonable heart rate, no anxiety. I assume others have had different experiences? Also, I remember reading somewhere that redosing just prolongs the stimulation but doesn't bring back the MDMA feel, but for me this is not true. I don't know whether it was the result of snorting it instead of taking it orally on my second dose, but I found that an equal dose by weight 4 hours later brought it back even stronger.
I suppose my next trial will be with a dose of 170 or so to see if it will provide the same effects as 240 (and make sure I'm not wasting anything!). Will report back.
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atrollappears
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[With regards to dopaminergic toxicity]
I've been wondering about this, and I was hoping one of the more neurochemistry knowledgeable people could give me an opinion on this. Yes, the other p-haloamphetamines are not neurotoxic to dopaminergic neurons, but it seems that neurotoxicity to 5HT or DA neurons correlates with a releasing agent's ability to cause the release of that chemical (correct me if I'm wrong). The thing is, para-chloro's IC50 for serotonin reuptake is a third of that for dopamine reuptake (meaning that, for a concentration of the drug that inhibits the dopamine reuptake to a certain extent, only a third of that concentration is needed to inhibit the serotonin reuptake to the same extent). 4-FA's IC50 for dopamine reuptake, however, is eight times that for serotonin reuptake. So, 4-FA inhibits DAT 24 times more strongly than PCA, per unit of SERT inhibition. Yes, these are reuptake inhibition values, but if these don't measure releasing properties in that they are derived from measuring the accumulation of the neurotransmitter (I am not well versed in this stuff so I don't know) then I'm sure that the drugs' relative affinities for the transporters are somewhat indicative of their relative amounts of DA/5HT release.
I've been wondering about this, and I was hoping one of the more neurochemistry knowledgeable people could give me an opinion on this. Yes, the other p-haloamphetamines are not neurotoxic to dopaminergic neurons, but it seems that neurotoxicity to 5HT or DA neurons correlates with a releasing agent's ability to cause the release of that chemical (correct me if I'm wrong). The thing is, para-chloro's IC50 for serotonin reuptake is a third of that for dopamine reuptake (meaning that, for a concentration of the drug that inhibits the dopamine reuptake to a certain extent, only a third of that concentration is needed to inhibit the serotonin reuptake to the same extent). 4-FA's IC50 for dopamine reuptake, however, is eight times that for serotonin reuptake. So, 4-FA inhibits DAT 24 times more strongly than PCA, per unit of SERT inhibition. Yes, these are reuptake inhibition values, but if these don't measure releasing properties in that they are derived from measuring the accumulation of the neurotransmitter (I am not well versed in this stuff so I don't know) then I'm sure that the drugs' relative affinities for the transporters are somewhat indicative of their relative amounts of DA/5HT release.
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InhaleDeep
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What would be the effects of taking 4fa and methoxetamine?
Is it even safe?
Is it even safe?
Many people indicate that stimulants and methoxetamine should not be mixed. From my personal experience this results in anxiety and feels quite bad on the heart.
InhaleDeep
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Still going strong. I like 4fa :D
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