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RCs Big n Dandy 4-FA (4-fluoroamphetamine) thread v.1.0

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Hi Aether,
That sounds just what I am looking for then. It sounds like it will be better than BZP.
 
citizenuzi2 said:
Sorry if I missed something in the first big part of this thread but I've been playing with this stuff, and IV is THE way to go, unless you want longevity (it lasts long enough as is). The IV doses interestingly enough aren't super different from basic oral doses, if you have some semblance of tolerance or experience 75-125mg is fairly safe. Start small though!!! 50mg will get you going. I just blasted about 75-100 and it's strong and nice, should wear off quicker too. I'm gonna use this for tomorrow/today/tonight to go out and rave for halloween along with some 4-MEC (which is also preferable IV'd although the duration is shoooort, use even smaller amounts of this if you have pure 50mg will get you. 75-100mg is for the tolerant. Be safe! Combining the two in smaller doses is nice too. The MEC is much more MDMA-ish for me, very clean and nice and comfortable. This is much more like amphetamines (duh) but still nice and less jitters. To someone above, don't overdo or rampage on this or the other similar drugs (esp MDPV) as psychosis will bite you and you will barely realize it... seriously! Be safe again!!
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So you shoot a substance that's been on the market for a year or two (at best). Furthermore, the powder/crystals you shoot is/are not 100% pure. 98-99% purity means that 1-2% is... only god knows, and god doesn't exist. That 1-2% could be other chemicals that were synthesized and not washed out during purification, could be catalysts (iodine, chlorine, metals, whatever)...

I'd either bang 10000 OC 80's in my life than 1g of that substance. But maybe I am wrong.


I am very sensitive to uppers (stimulants), but I wan't to try one again. I've shot pure coke (60% at least, the best was 99% pure, a chemist extracted it from tea and purified it) in the past, but one day I was taken to hospital because my heart was racing during come-down and now I have a huge respect for stimulants.

I heard that 4-FA is a mild stimulant - is that true? Which RC-stimulant are recommendable?
 
sweetstufflover said:
I'd either bang 10000 OC 80's in my life than 1g of that substance. But maybe I am wrong.
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Sorry, that's definitely wrong. I'd rather inject a little bit of unreacted precursor or solvent in small concentrations that my system can effectively break down over the combination of garbage in pills, and think you would, too. And you shoot unwashed coke, that's great...

Anyway, like 4-FA, I don't find IV 2-FA significantly different from oral 2-FA either. Seems the halogenated amphetamines in general aren't really worth shooting.
 
I shot coke that was pure and cut by my best friend who cut it with lactose. That's not toxic. But that was just one time, all the other times my coke was at least 80-90% pure. I don't do uppers anymore.

I use micron-filters, and oxycontin is quite safe to inject.
 
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So you shoot a substance that's been on the market for a year or two (at best).
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Bullshit, 4-FMP has been on the market for at least 35 years. Shooting up cocaine (60% purity), which contains copious amounts of heavy metals and which is regularly sprayed with herbicides by the South-American equivalent of the FDA. Perhaps you should know your shit before judging others or attempting to give advice.
 
Sry, I did not know that 4-FA has been on the market for 35 years. I apologize.
But please: Safety first, use micron-filters for injecting substances, no matter what you inject
 
3rd_I_blind said:
Bullshit, 4-FMP has been on the market for at least 35 years. Shooting up cocaine (60% purity), which contains copious amounts of heavy metals and which is regularly sprayed with herbicides by the South-American equivalent of the FDA. Perhaps you should know your shit before judging others or attempting to give advice.
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this is rediculous
 
BananasAndOranges said:
this is rediculous
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Is it? The majority of cocaine samples contain tracable amounts of copper, chromium, cadmium, nickel, lead, arsenic, manganese, and less toxic metals like iron, calcium, magnesium, zinc. Coca paste can contain up to 5% manganese, I believe this is because they use potassium permanganate in the extraction procedure. Not to mention the possible contents of every percent which is not pure cocaine. Truly rediculous, not?

4-FMP being on the market for 35 years was - perhaps - slightly exaggerated, but it is definitely more than 20 years. :)
 
But I said I had pure coke. It was purified by a chemist. He even removed the cinnamoylcocaines and other alkaloids with an oxidation process (potassium permanganate or H2O2 will do it) and washed it several times with nonpolar and polar.

He's an expert, and I trust him. The coke was so freaking strong, even 0,01g would do it. That's 10mg. You'd get a rush when IVed. When I took 0,018g (I have a very good scale) IV my heart began to race and I panicked. I have to say that the non-purified coke that was from South America and that was at least 89% pure (that's the best you can get if you don't oxidize it, cause the remaining 10% are other alkaloids and byproducts from the synthesis) had more desirable effects. It seems that absolutely pure cocaine-hcl doesn't give you the common effects of very good coke. Although "pure" coke from illegal cartels (like the 89% pure coke I had) gives you totally different effects than street coke that's cut with god knows what, very often it's amphetamines to increase the effects (because amphetamines are cheaper) and cheap research-chemicals.

That pure coke from south amerika had 89% at least. Purity was measured with a gas-chromatograph in Switzerland, and they found no toxic materials as I heard back in those days. It contained small quantities of non-polar solvents though. You know, when you perform a coke extraction, you extract it with non-polar solvents like kerosene (in German: Petroleum, kerosene doesn't mean Kerosin, Kerosin is the fuel of jets) and if you aren't a chemist or a pharmacist, you won't be able to get all of it out.

What do you guys say:
Is a mild dose of coke, amphetamine, methamphetamine or mephedrone more "mild" to the body or is it 4-FA or some other RC? Because people told me in German drug forums that 4-FA a.k.a. 4-FMP is very very mild and doesn't mess with your heart.
 
sweetstufflover said:
He's an expert, and I trust him. The coke was so freaking strong, even 0,01g would do it. That's 10mg. You'd get a rush when IVed. When I took 0,018g (I have a very good scale) IV my heart began to race and I panicked. I have to say that the non-purified coke that was from South America and that was at least 89% pure (that's the best you can get if you don't oxidize it, cause the remaining 10% are other alkaloids and byproducts from the synthesis) had more desirable effects. It seems that absolutely pure cocaine-hcl doesn't give you the common effects of very good coke. Although "pure" coke from illegal cartels (like the 89% pure coke I had) gives you totally different effects than street coke that's cut with god knows what, very often it's amphetamines to increase the effects (because amphetamines are cheaper) and cheap research-chemicals.
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Fair enough, but I thought you also mentioned 60% purity cocaine? Nevertheless, this is a bit besides the point. Shooting up a research chemical like 4-FA is in the same league as shooting up coke, except perhaps the 0.00001% of users obtaining truly purified cocaine. But I doubt even your chemist friend can extract cocaine with less than 1% impurities. And I doubt that that Swiss GC-analysis protocol was fit for detecting heavy metals.

Is a mild dose of coke, amphetamine, methamphetamine or mephedrone more "mild" to the body or is it 4-FA or some other RC?
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4-FA would be more mild to the body by far, keeping in mind your condition of a 'mild' dose. Especially in comparison with cocaine, 4-FA would be almost beneficial compared to the adverse effects of cocaine on your liver, heart, brains and what not.
 
^ I take Seroplex (escitalopram) 10mg every day and had a week in which I took some 4-FA, usually at 2pm, 80 to 100mg. Had no problems whatsoever.
 
3rd_I_blind said:
Is it? The majority of cocaine samples contain tracable amounts of copper, chromium, cadmium, nickel, lead, arsenic, manganese, and less toxic metals like iron, calcium, magnesium, zinc. Coca paste can contain up to 5% manganese, I believe this is because they use potassium permanganate in the extraction procedure. Not to mention the possible contents of every percent which is not pure cocaine. Truly rediculous, not?

4-FMP being on the market for 35 years was - perhaps - slightly exaggerated, but it is definitely more than 20 years. :)
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I wasn't arguing---most street coke without a connection is nasty as fuck. Coke is gross in general to me I was trying to point out that it doesn't make you anymore right than the IV coke user. A Lot of 4-FA wasn't even pure when people started hoarding it just recently and not to mention all the different batches that were bad. There may be copious amounts of metals in a majority of blow but a lot of researching chemicals are not always as pure or clean as they advertise. Just be safe with it. Don't go overboard. I say this for your health and the chemicals sake.
 
loulou reed said:
^ I take Seroplex (escitalopram) 10mg every day and had a week in which I took some 4-FA, usually at 2pm, 80 to 100mg. Had no problems whatsoever.
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Do you mean to say you took 4fa everyday for a week? What was that like after the week was over? What negative effects did you observe, if any? What made you decide to dose daily? Just curious (read: nosey).
 
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^ Yep, a week, well, 8 days I reckon. Every day. No interactions that I know of between escitalopram and 4-FA.

Now the comedown is another story...
 
Those of you looking for a daily solution with no comedown should really check out 2-FA... Please see the mega thread, I think it's on the second page of OD right now. 2-FA has no comedown and fewer side effects than any stimulant I've used and I'm able to take it daily without consequences. It's the most viable productivity drug there is and should really be prescribed after the anticipated lack of neurotoxicity is determined through studies. It never will be prescribed because it's too old to be patented and profited from.
 
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