Opioids Better opioids than oxy from the pharmacy? (Europe)

[pnillyg]

You ever try Adderall or any dopaminergic stimulant? If not, with any drug, especially Adderall I’d take even 2.5mg or 5mg to see how my body reacts to it. Id probably try 2.5mg first.

these are powerful amphetamines and even a 5mg tablet would suffice for a man whom never took this before

Adderall XR capsules with little beads or solid- scored IR tablets …..a great Amphetamine med, in addition to Dexedrine 5mg IR & Dexedrine Spansule 10/15mg capsules

I think I’m going to try this as my oxycodone isn’t doing much but preventing withdrawals at this point. What dose would you recommend to somebody that is amphetamine naïve, but has a very high oxycodone tolerance (don’t feel anything under 100mgs).

 

[Dextro .45]

Ya, as I stated Dexedrine 5mg / Ritalin 10mg / Adderall 5mg for the first time…..orally, an an empty stomach with a few mixed drinks

In 30min / 45min the onset will creep in and you can gauge how it affects you……you can then decide to take another tablet (1.5 hours later) once full effects have peaked if needed….and can now gauge your tolerance for future use

Maybe 10 or 15mg might be your safe preferred dose while still experiencing euphoria

 

[pnillyg]

Ya, as I stated Dexedrine 5mg / Ritalin 10mg / Adderall 5mg for the first time…..orally, an an empty stomach with a few mixed drinks

In 30min / 45min the onset will creep in and you can gauge how it affects you……you can then decide to take another tablet (1.5 hours later) once full effects have peaked if needed….and can now gauge your tolerance for future use

Maybe 10 or 15mg might be your safe preferred dose while still experiencing euphoria

Ok I’m super sensitive to anything stimulating like I can’t even drink coffee only teas, so will probably start with 2.5mgs of adderall with the of oxy I usually start my day with. My GF can take 15-30mg of adderall and she’s fine but she’s also an upper girly. Do you think it will cause anxiety or is there actually a good feeling associated with it as well? Thanks for the advice too any and all is always appreciated

 

[daturetard]

Hey man, just a few suggestions.
DLPA is a phenethylamine stim which increases binding affinity to mu receptors (for enkalphins at least)
Blackseed oil
ULDN (strongest potentiator I know of)
Cats claw
Dxm
Polygala tenifula
EDIT: Looking into this more polygala appears to be counterintuitive to opioids. Perhaps an antagonist of some sort, despite it being an NMDA antagonist, sedative and hypnotic. Sorry for any confusion I may have caused suggesting this to folks.
Corydalis
Gabapentin
Lyrica

 

[pnillyg]

Hey man, just a few suggestions.
DLPA is a phenethylamine stim which increases binding affinity to mu receptors (for enkalphins at least)
Blackseed oil
ULDN (strongest potentiator I know of)
Cats claw
Dxm
Polygala tenifula
Corydalis
Gabapentin
Lyrica

Ok cool
Never heard of ULDN, Cats claw, polygala, lyrica, black seed oil or corydalias. I’m going to try to obtain some but I’m currently in the boonies of Canada so not many stores nearby. What doses of each would you recommend as well as the timing if taken them. Like do you have to take them before, with, or after the opiate? I started sprinkling some gabapentin in today only 100mg so far. Taken 75mg of oxy today and only feeling not sick… the cannabis effected me the most at this point which is wild.

 

[l45k]

Hey man, just a few suggestions.
DLPA is a phenethylamine stim which increases binding affinity to mu receptors (for enkalphins at least)
Blackseed oil
ULDN (strongest potentiator I know of)
Cats claw
Dxm
Polygala tenifula
Corydalis
Gabapentin
Lyrica

Interesting about using Naltrexone to potentiate, I have read about it and wonder what sort of dose are you taking and how long before the opiate dose? or is it concurrent. I have 1.5mg naltrexone capsules so that would be way to much as they are LDN. If you wanted to use morphine sulfate or Oxy - does it have to be oral administration of the opiate agonist to benefit from the uldn? If boofing the MS would you include it in the water mix. Or if your doing oxy lines can it be mixed into the line?
The only time when using LDN properly was at night before sleep and the dose was low enough to avoid Precipitated WD which was horrid. THx

 

[daturetard]

Interesting about using Naltrexone to potentiate, I have read about it and wonder what sort of dose are you taking and how long before the opiate dose? or is it concurrent. I have 1.5mg naltrexone capsules so that would be way to much as they are LDN. If you wanted to use morphine sulfate or Oxy - does it have to be oral administration of the opiate agonist to benefit from the uldn? If boofing the MS would you include it in the water mix. Or if your doing oxy lines can it be mixed into the line?
The only time when using LDN properly was at night before sleep and the dose was low enough to avoid Precipitated WD which was horrid. THx

I think ULDN either at the start of the day or about 30 mins before your dose. I wouldn't mix it into anything because you'll be using volumetric dosing. I'd look up uldn volumetric dosing because I'm not the best source for that info. I know you dissolve the shit in water and then do some math to see how much is in a mL
It doesn't need to be oral opioid. Only take half your normal dose to start. This is a powerful potentiator, especially if mixed with others I mentioned.

 

[pnillyg]

It’s an interesting concept. I would like to hear more about this before trying because from my research, neltexone is an anti-abuse medication and that seems like potentially something that could throw you into precipitated withdrawal, right?

 

[daturetard]

It’s an interesting concept. I would like to hear more about this before trying because from my research, neltexone is an anti-abuse medication and that seems like potentially something that could throw you into precipitated withdrawal, right?

Absolutely. The ultra low dose form, however, causes an upregulation of receptors. It also increases binding affinity afaik

 

[pnillyg]

Absolutely. The ultra low dose form, however, causes an upregulation of receptors. It also increases binding affinity afaik

Super interesting thank you for explaining and doing some research on it and it is something that I’m super interested in. I’m assuming this is available for prescription only?

 

[daturetard]

Super interesting thank you for explaining and doing some research on it and it is something that I’m super interested in. I’m assuming this is available for prescription only?

Yes, in the US at least. It isn't controlled, so you could buy it online. But yeah, it's not gonna just be on a pharmacy shelf. It's pretty easy to get if you tell your doctor you're drinking too much and you would like to try it (it's often used for that because much of alcohol's effect is from endorphins, and blocking them gives you the retarded feeling, but none [or much less, there is still gaba agonism and NMDA antagonism] of the euphoria). Shouldn't be a hard thing to get by asking for it. It'll look like less of an abuse thing, and more of an antiaddiction aid. Little do they know how BLers use it

 

[daturetard]

Ok cool
Never heard of ULDN, Cats claw, polygala, lyrica, black seed oil or corydalias. I’m going to try to obtain some but I’m currently in the boonies of Canada so not many stores nearby. What doses of each would you recommend as well as the timing if taken them. Like do you have to take them before, with, or after the opiate? I started sprinkling some gabapentin in today only 100mg so far. Taken 75mg of oxy today and only feeling not sick… the cannabis effected me the most at this point which is wild.

I'd recommend all of them at the dosages stated on whatever you get. Cats claw can be taken up to huge doses ime. Blackseed oil has thymoquinone which acts on opioid receptors as an upregulator or some shit, but will, paradoxically to that, give you the shits if you take too much, being an oil. DLPA I'd keep at recommended levels as it also has stimulant properties, but increases enkalphins binding affinity to Mu receptors, endorphins too, in theory (piggy backing off that theory, all ligands, but the theory has never been proven. Definitely adds to analgesia and a high ime, though). Polygala is an nmda antagonist shown to decrease morphine tolerance.
EDIT: Polygala, like corydalis, has dopamine antagonism, and both are very dirty drugs, being vaguely antipsychotic, and too much of either will give you a wicked nauseous, semi-dissociated, rushy experience without much euphoria, much caution should be used with both.
Corydalis is also shown to decrease morphine tolerance, though it directly agonises Mu receptors. Be extra careful with it because of d2 antagonism (antipsychotic traits) as well as anticholinergic effects. All the info I have on ULDN is in the above thread. That should cover all but Lyrica. Its much like gabapentin but roughly 6x stronger.

 

[daturetard]

@pnillyg @l45k , I mentioned doctors prescription because it'll be much cheaper than buying online. If you can get one or a handful of sample blister packs from your doctor, even better. 50 mg in one pill should last you years, for uldn.

 

[martincertain]

What could one get better than oxy from the pharmacy?? damn these 80's knock me out for three consecutive days, what's something more powerful or at least similar in strength but at least less sleep inducing than oxy? Must be available in europe...

Yeh there aren't that many options as a couple people have said. Oxy is actually a slightly more potent opioid than morphine (with a higher binding affinity to mu) so if you're struggling to feel the oxys then I doubt you'll get much solace from morphine.

It's pretty easy to get on a methadone script, especially if you have opioids in your system already and tell the doc that you're dependent and want to get onto methadone. I wouldn't advise though, it's a much fiercer beast than oxy/h to come off since it has such a long half-life. Saying that, if you're just visiting and looking for a way to maintain a habit whilst you're there (and are going back on oxy after) then it's pretty perfect for that.

I've known of a few occasions of people in the UK getting prescriptions for fentanyl skin-patches, but you'd have to have a really convincing and elaborate act to do so.
Maybe try and potentiate/improve with lyrics (pregablin) as someone else said, that will definitely give you a good buzz. They are much easier to get hold of too.

To be honest though, it's never a good sign when the drugs stop working and probably a sign that the good times are over and it's time to think about slapping the habit. This was certainly true for me

Good luck!