Bupe Best Way to Use Suboxone/Subutex to Detox

[N3DIVWNOJI999]

You're definitely going to have to wait it out! Off the top of my head I don't know the half-life of fent, but I know it's up there, plus you've been doing it everyday, so it's built up in your system as well, so research it's half-life first thing, you do have one positive thing going for you though and that's your ROA, if you were wearing the patches you'd have to wait even longer cause there's still residual amounts of fent under your skin for like 24 hours after you take the patch off.... but I tell everyone going from a long active opi to subs, "switch to a shorter acting opi like oxycodone for a week or two before switching to subs so you don't have to wait as long to take the sub" plus it greatly reduces the chance of precipitated withdrawals!

 

[HELP!]

Hi all,

I've been reading this thread and am very impressed by people's suggestions and knowledge etc.

My situation is that I was clean for 8years and recently relapsed for about 9 months - to the point where I'm using about .4 of a gram of H a day IV (so not too major). I have 10 x 8mg Subutex, my heads been telling me this isn't going to be enough for me to detox on. However, after reading this thread my head may have been lying to me!!

My situation is that I work full-time and can't really take anytime off - so obviously I could use the weekend to hit W/D's before I start on the subtutex. I was wondering from some of the more experienced subutex/detox people on here what they would do in my situation - It's a tough one as I have to be well enough to go to work, yet I desperately want to get clean again. I also have a healthy stock of benzo's to help me sleep at night during the W/D's.

I'm kind of in panic mode because I feel so ashamed to have relapsed and really wont what I had back, fortunately my life I built up while I was clean is still in tact - wife, family, house, car etc. I just want to be rid of this awful habit before I lose everything.

Please could someone suggest a plan for me to follow? I would be eternally grateful.

Or if there are any other threads that may be of use can you point me in the right direction - I can't seem to use the search thing very well and I'm not having much luck. Tell me to f**k off if you don't have time - but like I said, you could well help someone from losing everything, or worst case scenario being found dead in the family bathroom.

God knows how but my wife who has never used in her life is unaware of the situation, she thinks I'm hooked on OTC codeine!

 

[opiatekrzy]

this one clinic i went to, they actually used subutex for induction. you would bring in 5 2mg subutex pills they have u fill at the pharmacy, go back in the office, have the doctor watch u put (2) tablets under ur tongue, go in waiting room, go back in office, talk, and get a escort home, and take (2) more tablet in the afternoon, and finally (1) more tablet at bedtime, followed by a script for suboxone tablets for a week, and the next week, they would move you to the films..im assuming the tablets first because it doesnt metbolize as fast as the films and they dont want u too "fucked up", and once ur used to that, finally the films. but actually, suboxone and subutex both are used for inductions, my current suboxone doc used suboxone for induction, and one i had yrs ago used suboxone..

 

[mydrugbuddy]

What ROA does everyone use for their bupe ?

IV offers 98- 100% bioavailabilty, (i dont do IV), snorting is the next best thing, followed by sublingual. Swallowing the pills only gives 10% bioavailabilty so thats a complete dead end.

I'm on day 3 now of a bupe taper, i'm still feeling a little rough, havent worked out which ROA suits me best, snort or sublingual, or exactly what dose i need. 1.5 mg seemed ok yesterday. But i took 1mg all at once in the morning which was too much for me. 0.5 at a time seems better. Not sure if i need 1.5 or 2mg a day atm.

This is coming off a low dose but quite long term poppy pod, and AH7921 habit.

 

[opiatekrzy]

IMO the best ROA for bupe(bupe only) is IV. or Rectally...i prefer IVing small doses of Bupe, it gives me a steady heavy rush, not as strong as heroin, but pleasurable enough, and 2mg feels like 8mg taken sublingually. of course duration will be shorter, but the half life will be the same

 

[HELP!]

IMO the best ROA for bupe(bupe only) is IV. or Rectally...i prefer IVing small doses of Bupe, it gives me a steady heavy rush, not as strong as heroin, but pleasurable enough, and 2mg feels like 8mg taken sublingually. of course duration will be shorter, but the half life will be the same

What's the best way to prepare it for IV - I've tried a few times and only got success once. The other times it just turned to a jelly type substance, probably because I added heat to it! But it just simply wouldn't dissolve - and back then these were prescribed subutex, so it certainly wasn't the quality - they just wouldn't dissolve, which I found odd. So I tried adding a little heat and it was ruined

 

[DickTate]

mdb: Since you want to taper, sublingual would be the best Route since it causes the steadiest plasmalevel if you take your doses regularly.

But snorting ensures more BA and produces a more satisfying effect (for me). Never plugged it though.
So it is up to you and what suits you the best.

I was always good with one dose a day, preferably nasally but sometimes sl.
Currently did another taper step to 0,2mg on saturday, yesterday no Bupe, today the last 0,2mg...

 

[laCster]

^dont add heat. do you have the strips or the pills? i do it every day and it is getting quite old and IV does not seem worth it anymore. it sucks because IV sub only lasts about 12hrs for me, so i usually wake up in withdrawals every day. not fun...

i usually make 20-30ml of soln with 30-50mgs in the soln. i am waiting on my benzyl alcohol to make more solution with, and i already got my .2um micron filter, it just seems pointless to micron a .25mg shot ..

it really is something i want to stop. i used to get the pills so i would snort them all the time which is good. i plan to go from IV >> IM >> plugg. dont IM without a micron filter though

 

[jjacobsen]

Help me figure out subutex dosage for coming down from H

Sorry, I read every post but still need info tailored to my situation. I used h spottily, infrequently and in low doses for a year, and then for the last year used it consistently, my dose creeping up to 1g per day. I want to taper off for good on subutex. I have up to 30 pills, but am thinking using 4-5 is best, talking to others. What do you reccomend, giving my dose/tolerance/duration of use? I want it to happen as quickly as possible, without getting suicidal! what's the best dosage, tapering over the days? I have seroquel, xanax, adavan as well at my disposal. I tried quitting cold turkey a few weeks back but the incredible stomach pain and vomiting were unendurable (I had gone through withdrawal a year ago, having used less, and didn't go through that, even if it WAS miserable.)
thanks so much!
thanks for your help.

 

[RTrain]

^Just an FYI this is most certainly not the only thread involving how to use suboxone to get off opiates, namely heroin. There is a damn million of them. Honestly its really hard to give you concrete numbers to use for your detox/taper with suboxone. Everyone reacts differently to it. Everyone has different thresholds to discomfort and different degrees of willpower. All the info is out there, believe me. Do the research and also realize there is a ton of information, and a lot of it will contradict each other.

For basics, wait 24 from last dose of heroin...start with 2 mg of suboxone sublingually....wait 1.5-2 hours...if not feeling better take 1 more mg...repeat until you reach a dose that makes you feel better, do not exceed 6 mg (IMO)...setup a taper and stick to it, whether it be a 1 week or 3 month taper )or something in between), its a matter of preference and what works for you. There is a guy one another forum who helps people with suboxone and I believe his strategy is the best if you really want off the opiates. He alone has written enough info on the web on the other forum to give all the info you need to effectively get clean with subxoone.

 

[opiatekrzy]

I had a suboxone doctor who used subutex for induction. he gives u a script of five 2mg subutex pills, see him, take 2 in front of him, go home later, take 2mg in the afternoon, and the other 4mg in the evening. then writes a script for suboxone tablets, after that gives u films..i gues his theory is naloxone can still play an effect, which it shouldn't since its only active when IVed, and starts with tablets suboxone cuz of slower absorption, then films, faster absorption. in detox hospitals, all they give is subutex. one of my prior doctors did subutex for induction, so its true

 

[Slum Survivor]

I've never tried to use bupe for a quick detox.. but looking back in retrospect, it's what I wish I would have done from the start. Instead, I ended up on the shit for a very long time and getting off was so damn hard, I just started using dope again...

i know exactly what u mean by this statement. right now as i take my sub im still contemplating only taking them a few times so i dont go thru bupe w/d again. like u said i just ended up using to try and ease the w/d, and never stoped using after that.

im sure there are several advantages to long term sub use, however there is no denying that the w/ds are tough after its been long enough.

ive used the classic quick taper with success before, but ive never had success either of the other ways mentioned in the OP. i just end up feeling w/d and want to use more sub or d.o.c.

this thread is a great read tho. thx for starting it TB

I had a suboxone doctor who used subutex for induction. he gives u a script of five 2mg subutex pills, see him, take 2 in front of him, go home later, take 2mg in the afternoon, and the other 4mg in the evening. then writes a script for suboxone tablets, after that gives u films..i gues his theory is naloxone can still play an effect, which it shouldn't since its only active when IVed, and starts with tablets suboxone cuz of slower absorption, then films, faster absorption. in detox hospitals, all they give is subutex. one of my prior doctors did subutex for induction, so its true

wow wtf? ive never heard of this. is it because they dont want u to potentially absorb the naloxone?

an old sub doctor i had used to tell me to spit out, or drain out slowly rather, the saliva and all instead of swallowing it. it helps avoid constipation and issues with headaches and all from absorbing small amounts of naloxone, from what he said anyways

 

[mahi]

What are you talking about? Suboxone (the strips and the pills both) are used for induction all the time.. that makes no sense. hah. I'm surprised the site says that because I've never known a doctor to use a different form of bupe to induct.

The drug given for induction is whatever is going to be prescribed.. if the doctor likes subutex, then he uses subutex to induce.. if it's suboxone (which is generally is) then they use that for the induction. It's done all the time..

Right, I know people who where given strips first. You need to be careful with what you read here, If you met some of these people in person and saw them you probably wouldn't ask them for directions to a gas station let alone use of powerful drugs. Bottom line, take as little as possible to ward of withdrawals. If you can take same amount next day or two. Then reduce by 25% each day till you get to .5milligram. Skip a day then dose .5. Skip two days then .5. Try for 3 days, on the 4th if you feel ok then jump. If you are sick take another .5 and try for 4 days. Once you get to 4 days and can function then stop. This can be done with 2 8mg strips. Don't take anything else why using the Subs, it's a bad idea. After 4 days and your feeling ucky then use OTC medicine to cope. Trick is to get out quick. The longer your on Subs the harder it is. Depending on the amount of Subs you have make sure you tailor your plan to stop between day 7 or 14. Don't get on the Sub merry go round. Remember there is no real painless way to stop. Expect to have some unpleasant days. But by using Subs you can reduce your pain by 80%. One more thing, Subs don't make you not want to get high anymore. The cravings will be there, so willpower is very important. You will be tempted so one thing to do is while your using the subs is create a plan to change the way you have been spending your time. Change your number, get in touch with people who don't use and hang out with them, start walking daily (helps a lot), if you can get away for a few days to a week (visit family, friends who live out of town) or go yourself, just change your surroundings. You need to have days behind you where you went the whole day, did things, went places and didn't use drugs. This helps alot.

 

[mahi]

I will say this though, you have the most important weapon in combating your addiction, and that is your desire to quit! some ppl detox out of necessity, and that's a relapse waiting to happen. Speaking from personal experience, tell your drug buddies your intentions of quiting or turn your phone off! I can't tell you how many times i've been well upon my way to detox and then i get that text message that ultimately leads to relapse!

Doing Subs just to get a better high is really the sign of a hopeless addict. Save your Subs when you are finally tired of going nowhere on Opiates and want to quit. Subs do not take away the cravings, you really need to make your mind up your done. Look for ways to change your life while gliding down on Subs. Change your number, friends, get away for a while. Subs do make detox easier so use them when the idea of being a drug addicted slave no longer appeals to you.

 

[mikehod]

Im new to opiates started doing H about 4 months ago iv'ing the last 2 months.i got into because of a girlfriend but im done with it.I've been wanting to quit for awhile but could'nt handle the cold turkey withdrawels because im a single dad with no family within 300 miles to help with kids,and I have a full time job, I tried one weekend but had to end it sunday night so I could work monday.But this being a long weekend I did my last friday morning before work and have wallowed in misery all weekend.i was still feeling bad today and have to work in the AM so I took 2mg of suboxone about an hour ago and I actually feel pretty good, am wondering if I should just keep doing the 2mg a day until next weekend or maybe just till thursday so it will be worked out of my system by next weekend if theres going to be more withdrawels?I just dont know ive been reading alot but cant really find many cases like mine,for the last months ive only been doing 3 .05 g shoots to avoid being sick in preparation of quiting.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^

If you are dependent on opiates, whatever your DOC is, you are going to go through withdrawal eventually one way or another. Taking bupe just masks it, replacing the H. If you take an equal dose of bupe to your heroin tolerance, your withdrawals will be just as bad.. you have to taper on the bupe, get to a low dose, then come off, which will make your withdrawals much less severe. But simply taking bupe one day here and there instead of using heroin, isn't doing anything.. you'll just be sick again once the bupe wares off.

 

[cliffenfuego]

I was a heroin smoker for three years(1 to 2 grams a day). I was recently arrested for possession, and I was admitted into a detox/rehab center. On my third day of detox, my symptoms of withdrawal were unbearable. The in-house physician offered me suboxone. After about an hour, my symptoms were all but alleviated. I have been on the suboxone for four months now(8mgs, once a day). I have not used other opiates during that time frame. In my opinion, suboxone is a miracle drug. I do not feel euphoria, but it definitely elevates my mood. On this drug I do not crave heroin. I recommend this treatment to anyone trying to quit heroin.

 

[tarpits]

I understand this thread might not be the best place to ask this question. But I also don't want to revive old threads. In any case I went and did a stupid thing...I was on subutex for about 3 years and a couple of weeks ago I got my hands on a bunch of pills so I just decided to go thru those...took about two weeks. Once I was done I waited about 18 hours since my last dose and took 8mg of subutex. Went into precipitated withdrawal.

Now if I had the time to rough it out I would...but I don't. In my ultimate wisdom I went and picked up a bill's worth of tar. Smoked that shit up and I feel like nothing happened. Sitting here sweating now about 2hr after my last "dose" of tar. My question is, should I take a small bit of sub? It's been about 36 hrs since I took the 8mg. Any advice will be greatly appreciated. I have some serious life shit to take care of tomorrow and I cannot walk around looking like I do. Literally everyone I know will be aware of what's going on.

 

[Lorne???]

^^^ You need to wait as long as possible, sorry. After abusing full agonists for an extended period, and especially if you went into PW, well your brain chemistry is all fucked up. If you have access to anything to help sleep, I would try.

If you could wait till the morning, that would be ideal, but I would still wait several more hours before trying a small dose. But a large dose in 12 hours or so would feel best(split in 2, that is, to avoid any other problems)

 

[mikehod]

I took the 2mgs monday night as I said in the 1st post and took a 1mg peice with me to work tuesday for when needed cause the plan was to do 2 1mg doses tuesday but I felt fine all day so I didnt take it till tuesday night.I took .5mg wednesday when I got home from work at 3pm. Took another .5 today, im posting this because I read people starting at high doses then tapering, If I knew from the start that subs where so strong I would have tried 1 mg every other day from the start I think,the plan now is no more subs until I start to feel bad and then .25mg which I expect to be sometime sat. Then im thinking .125mg only when I start to feel bad for 2 or 3 cycles hopefully being able to go a full 3 days on .125mg before feeling withdrawal after a few doses at .125 then just stop I have 2 xanax in cabinet incase I have trouble sleeping 1 of 2 nights which is all the withdrawel I expect if I get to the .125 lasting me 3 days before I quit.i would have never thought I could do this on just 1 8mg strip.