best way to time an mdma + psychedelic combo?

[<SpaceHead>]

Combining MDMA and psychedelic's is pretty common, but I am wondering what are peoples experiences regarding the timing. Do you find taking them at the same time, psychedelic first or MDMA first to yield the best results? I guess it depends largely on the duration of the psychedelic, for instance I assume you would want to wait a few hours after taking LSD to take MDMA so you're not coming down from MDMA mid trip.

I've read of Shulgin calling it piggy packing and correct me if I'm wrong but I remember him usually taking the MDMA first. Someone told me a theory that if you take the psychedelic a bit into the MDMA experience the psychedelic fits into the serotonin receptors and replace the serotonin that was released from the MDMA, thus delaying the come down effect and extending the MDMA's activity. It also seems like the mood you're in when you come up can have a huge influence over the course of your trip, so coming up in such a happy and content state would be very useful.

Although in my experiences I've always taken the MDMA at the same time as a psychedelic with a similar duration like 2C-D or taking it a few hours into the psychedelic with LSD. So I am curious is it worth trying taking MDMA first? I would really hate to come down from MDMA while tripping hard, but extending the all too short action of MDMA seems like a worthy cause!

 

[Solipsis]

Either I have not recorded much of my MDMA + psychedelic experiences, or the results seemed to depend more on serendipity than a consistent way to time it. I think it is mostly intuitive to try and get peaks to almost overlap but offset it a little to avoid riding up two peaks at the exact same time, that can be too much. Maybe get the peaks within 30 minutes of each other with short acting psychedelics or within about 2hrs with long acting psychedelics? None of that is set in stone but otherwise you get more of a multi-phase experience. That is likely either way, but even more so if you space or stagger.
Whatever you do, I'd make sure that the MDMA comedown is not before the psychedelic plateau.

With 2C-B, it can certainly be interesting to space the doses - but it has a less common type of way of acting (5-HT2C agonism) that might be related to the special synergy attributed to it. 2C-C would be similar in this respect. I for one agree with the special status of the synergy, only way I ever felt like "true love at first sight" at nobody in particular, that type of magic. More than first time MDMA.
Also, 2C-B is so light that I can bear how easy it is, in the case of crash-like symptoms. With medium or heavy duty psychedelics I would certainly be wary to stagger and start with MDMA.

my 0.02

 

[LSDreamer13]

Take your LSD. Wait exactly one hour, the take your MDMA.

Best experience I've ever had with tripping.

 

[Clocktower]

Do you space out your MDMA doses? Keeping them a few months apart should keep your comedowns on the easy side.

If you take MDMA first, then LSD, you'll feel like you're rolling for a few hours... then after that you'll feel like you're tripping.

 

[effingcustie]

depends on the psychedelic... generally i like to do mdma a couple hours after psychedelic (or 3-4 with something longer lasting like lsd). 2c-b on the tail end of mdma is good too though.