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Best sleep meds for my situation

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smitty823j

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I went on a bit of a bender starting a couple of weeks ago. Last weekend I ingested 2 doses of 50mg of 2ci and one dose of 50 mg of 2ce. Did this over 14 hours. Spent most of the week before as well as the weekend of my tripping smoking JWH-210. Went through a gram and a bit
Started noticing ringing in my ears at the end of last weekend.
Still have it.

I went to the doctor who prescribed a 12 day course of steroids.
So here is my problem. I CANNOT sleep when I take presdnisone. I have had several incidents of sleep deprivation psychosis. I almost got arrested once in a 24 hour Walgreens pharmacy because I decided I wanted comfort food...then decided that coconuts were comfort food and it made perfect sense to go get a coconut from Walgreens. For some reason..not only diodnt the manger give up a coconut, he called the police.

Here is the information I seek:
As long as I am taking the Prednisone I must take a sleep aid.

My choices are Lunesta, Benadryl, Phenargen, Ambien, Flexeril and Hydrocdone with tylenol (Lortab)

Lunesta alone did squat for me the last 2 nights....Between the two nights I have less than 5 hours sleep. I have to get more than that thus I will need to take a combo (or do I double up on the 3mg Lunesta?)

What I want to know is...of the drugs above..which are least likely to affect/aggravate the system(s) that the phenethylamines and the JWH affect. For now I want to go on the assumption that the drugs were the culprit..could be a coincidence but I would rather err on the side of caution.

I should also mention that I take Klonopin (2mg per day) and I dont think this would be a good time to stop doing that.

For tonight I am going to take the Lunesta and a Benadryl...but PLEASE..I need some science and input here for the next 10 days

Thanks
 
Got 5 hours sleep off of 3 mg of Lunesta and 50 mg of Benadryl.
Ringing in my head was horrible this morning....though this may be partly due to the fact that the doc is having me take my bed time dose of prednisone with my morning dose to help deal with the sleep issue.

Again...any input on sleep meds would be helpful. Wondering if the benadryl is a bad idea
 
If you can get you're hands on it I'd say GHB. You better make sure there are no interactions with the steroid though. I find diphenhydramine never works for me but for some reason promethazine does. I get this promethazine syrup called phenargen. Maybe the reason it works is because its a syrup and I have a tendency to take large uncontrolled swigs of it lol. It has hydrogenated glucose in it so it tastes nice.
 
So you're way after acute dosing, right? Direct interactions should not be an issue, though the effects of JWHs on inflammation are unknown (possibly beneficial), depending on what you're treating using that prednisone.

The reply suggesting GHB gives an inordinately bad suggestion, due to addiction issues, dopamine rebound (or something else) limiting many to ~4 hrs. of g-sleep, and possible neurotoxicity depending on dosage.

Regardless, this topic doesn't belong here. Maybe healthy living (likely to present better answers than steroid disc).

ebola
 
Flexeril and benadryl sound like your best options. Light opiates like a lortab can actually keep you up and Z-drugs have really limited applications in my opinion. If Ambien or Lunesta didn't work for you in the past I don't see how combinations with them will work.
 
Go get some flunitrazepam and you'll be happy. Being a severe insomniac myself I know the pains of not sleeping and shitty sleep meds. All the Z-class sleepers are a waste of time. Anti-histamines for me were a waste of time whether it was doxylamine, diphenhydramine, promethazine. None of them sedated me.

They prescribe a low dose seroquel a lot for sleep which tends to knock a lot of people out, however doses between 100mg-1000mg did nothing for me personally.

Hypnotic Benzodiazepines would be your best bet however addiction there is a great possibility. But as long as you don't abuse them. Nitrazepam is quite good however flunitrazepam would be my favourite all time sleeper.
 
CrackAndScrabble said:
Flexeril and benadryl sound like your best options. Light opiates like a lortab can actually keep you up and Z-drugs have really limited applications in my opinion. If Ambien or Lunesta didn't work for you in the past I don't see how combinations with them will work.
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Thanks.. as i said the prednisone is treating tinnitus that started after a binge. I was thinking that if the tinnitus was caused by insult/damage/imbalance caused by my binge I was hoping some of our ADD folks could tell me which of the sleep meds I mentioned in my first post might cause the least interaction/insult to the system I have already taxed.
 
Did you try really low-dose seroquel or mirtazapine? In my experience, the sweep spot in terms of sedation is ~25mg of seroquel and 7.5-10mg of mirtazapine. More than 50mg/15mg is too much when used as a sleep aid.
 
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BlueCrest said:
Did you try really low-dose seroquel or mirtazapine? In my experience, the sweep spot in terms of sedation is ~25mg of seroquel and 7.5-10mg of mirtazapine. More than 50mg/15mg is too much when used as a sleep aid.
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At this point all I have are the meds listed in my first post.
 
Doctor will give you seroquel or mirtazapine very easily... Personally I haaaate them both. But others swear by them.
 
Thanks folks. Seeing a doc on Friday. So for the next few nights its the meds on my first post. Will ask about some of these others when I see him. But again my question would be the same. Of all these meds.which do.our ADD folks would be of least insult to the system(s) I feel I may have taxed.
 
I know of no other drug than Seroquel that puts me to sleep as effectively. It doesn't matter if I would have taken a big line of speed before, Seroquel just knocks me out. The big downside is you feel like a zombie the next day. Also, it's a nasty, very powerful drug (I have years of experience from it earlier in my life, nowadays I just use it if I need sleep after taking stims).

Oh, and it gives me a stuffy nose that prevails the whole next day (because it's an antihistamine).

In small doses (25-100 mg) Seroquel acts mainly as an antihistamine, with doses over 100 mg it's anti-psychotic effects will be more pronounced. In small doses, for a short period, I don't see any problem with using it though. It's bad (and possibly irreversible) side effects usually occur with high doses after years of usage.
 
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Wow...diidnt realize I moved. Thanks for your input folks. No more work til aa couple of days after my last prednisone dose....soi am not as worried about sleep.
Fwiw. For me...50mg of benadryl and 10mg of flexeril got me twooo night of 6 plus hour sleep.

@Ebola.....thread was specifically targeted toward sleep. After reading the description of what constituted an ADD subject, this seemed logical. I was looking for some science on how to get my body to. Sleep. Guess I am still learning my way around.

As for the tinnitus.....it seems to be sticking around........so I guess that would be a subject for the healthy living forum....
 
Cyanoide said:
I know of no other drug than Seroquel that puts me to sleep as effectively. It doesn't matter if I would have taken a big line of speed before, Seroquel just knocks me out. The big downside is you feel like a zombie the next day. Also, it's a nasty, very powerful drug (I have years of experience from it earlier in my life, nowadays I just use it if I need sleep after taking stims).

Oh, and it gives me a stuffy nose that prevails the whole next day (because it's an antihistamine).

In small doses (25-100 mg) Seroquel acts mainly as an antihistamine, with doses over 100 mg it's anti-psychotic effects will be more pronounced. In small doses, for a short period, I don't see any problem with using it though. It's bad (and possibly irreversible) side effects usually occur with high doses after years of usage.
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^^this..seroquel is like a fucking "off switch" man,you could be speeding balls one second and 45 minutes later youll be sound asleep(just to illustrate)

I remember a friend of mine gave me 7 100mg just to fuck around with me..and the joke was on him ,cause it was him that had to carry me out of his appartment and into his car and up the stairs to my appartment :P

Just ask your doc for a script,mine gave me one for sleep even if its an anti psychotic..(my doc also told me about a girl that took 700mg of it every day as an anti psychoticum and was walking around,tolerance skyhigh with this..she must have been a freakin zombie tho:P)

Beware tho..this stuff has a hangover(sleepy as hell the next day) as nothing else:P
 
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hey smitty, I got tinnitus from JHW I am sure it is from the drug ,are you any better by now?
 
My choices are Lunesta, Benadryl, Phenargen, Ambien, Flexeril and Hydrocdone with tylenol (Lortab)
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Lunesta: Doesnt work for me, leaves a terrible and lingering metallic taste in my mouth
Benadryl: Works somewhat, but not as well as prescription sleep aids
Ambien: Works every time for me with no after effects the next day
Flexeril: A good size dose will usually knock me out, especially combined with an opiate or antihistimine
Hydrocodone: Keeps me awake

Keep in mind, different drugs work differently for different people. This is just my personal experiences with the drugs you mentioned.
 
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