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golego55 said:
Lamictal (at one time if I remember the Wikipedia article correctly, although it's been edited out since) was considered a narcotic at one time in Japan, and (I think) not prescribed because of it.

Lamictal (when taken in recreational one time doses) for me acts as a major stimulant, but really it does everything for me.

To be honest I'm diagnosed with Bipolar Diorder, Generalized Anxiety Disorder, and Social Anxiety Disorder. I also suffer from Fabry Disease, which causes peripheral neuropathy (nerve pain) in my hands and feet.

At the scheduled dosage the drug helps with my anxiety, and nerve pain, which no other drugs have done for me.

At recreational doses the drug takes the something I am when not medicated and turns me into someone.

My social anxiety is obliterated, I'm not a anxiety-ridden shut-in, and I'm capable of being sociable. I normally have little energy, drive, and suffer from avolition (trouble making and settling on decisions). The high gives me energy, drive, "ambition", etc.

The fog and trouble thinking I usually have are gone, and with it the cognitive logjams and trouble in planning and carrying out detailed multi-step tasks. A prime example for me is operating machinery. I'm not great with it but without lamictal

I know the whole "you gotta try this, mannn, it changes everything!!!" trope. But for me it does, and with little to no side effects. Aside from occasional restlessness (and occasionally significant impatience from such) and trouble sitting still, there's almost no side effects.

I know using and condoning it's recreational use risks damaging the image of all those who take it (especially those taking it as ordered and responsibly so), much as those abusing opiates can cause issues for those taking them strictly (to great benefit) on a medicinal basis. But man, after what it's done for me, I wish there was a way I could introduce it to the people closest to me in life. Hell, I wish I could find a way to bring it to as many others as possible.

And that does include my worst enemies, because at the end of the day the anxiety, cognitive issues, and nerve pain I suffer from are pure hell and I wouldn't wish it on any of them. I would wish there's could get better, too.
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Interesting. I have no idea what a recreational dose would be, don't really want to find out, as you mention I would hate for this to become a drug of abuse, and it sounds like a drug that could be dangerous in abuse. I notice however it has a fairly wide dose range medicinally for those who tolerate it. I'm on 100mg, and even at 50mg I was noticing it having significant positive effects for me. However looking at the NICE guidelines I can see that a medicinal dose can be as high as 500mg day when used for people with epilepsy.

I'm prescribed it off label for BPD. It has helped massively with mood stabilisation and I consider it a wonder drug. It also has no side effects that I have noticed at all. I wouldn't know I'm on it from a physical standpoint, only that it has helped stabilise my mood so much.

I'm happy to hear it can provide life changing things for you, but please stay safe. I don't know how long you've taken it at these higher doses but consider that they're may be downsides. Phenibut did exactly those things you describe for me, but it could never be a long term solution, just something to be treated with huge respect and taken very occasionally and the risks of trying to use it regularly are HIGH, I've heard the horror stories and they ain't pretty.

I'm also with you on not wishing MH issues on my worst enemies. I consider myself someone with a lot of empathy, and even horrible people might have good reasons they turned out that way. They're all human beings ultimately, and I think to wish that kind of agony in others is letting you become the horrible person you think they are.
 
sadasaulna said:
Interesting. I have no idea what a recreational dose would be, don't really want to find out, as you mention I would hate for this to become a drug of abuse, and it sounds like a drug that could be dangerous in abuse. I notice however it has a fairly wide dose range medicinally for those who tolerate it. I'm on 100mg, and even at 50mg I was noticing it having significant positive effects for me. However looking at the NICE guidelines I can see that a medicinal dose can be as high as 500mg day when used for people with epilepsy.

I'm prescribed it off label for BPD. It has helped massively with mood stabilisation and I consider it a wonder drug. It also has no side effects that I have noticed at all. I wouldn't know I'm on it from a physical standpoint, only that it has helped stabilise my mood so much.

I'm happy to hear it can provide life changing things for you, but please stay safe. I don't know how long you've taken it at these higher doses but consider that they're may be downsides. Phenibut did exactly those things you describe for me, but it could never be a long term solution, just something to be treated with huge respect and taken very occasionally and the risks of trying to use it regularly are HIGH, I've heard the horror stories and they ain't pretty.
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Thank you for sharing and providing more info for me. I know this is bluelight and not drugs.com. But I still feel that it's very helpful for bluelight being a place where users can discuss and help each other with using prescriptions, in addition to recreation drugs and usage.
 
golego55 said:
Lamictal (at one time if I remember the Wikipedia article correctly, although it's been edited out since) was considered a narcotic at one time in Japan, and (I think) not prescribed because of it.

Lamictal (when taken in recreational one time doses) for me acts as a major stimulant, but really it does everything for me.

To be honest I'm diagnosed with Bipolar Diorder, Generalized Anxiety Disorder, and Social Anxiety Disorder. I also suffer from Fabry Disease, which causes peripheral neuropathy (nerve pain) in my hands and feet.

At the scheduled dosage the drug helps with my anxiety, and nerve pain, which no other drugs have done for me.

At recreational doses the drug takes the something I am when not medicated and turns me into someone.

My social anxiety is obliterated, I'm not a anxiety-ridden shut-in, and I'm capable of being sociable. I normally have little energy, drive, and suffer from avolition (trouble making and settling on decisions). The high gives me energy, drive, "ambition", etc.

The fog and trouble thinking I usually have are gone, and with it the cognitive logjams and trouble in planning and carrying out detailed multi-step tasks. A prime example for me is operating machinery. I'm not great with it but without lamictal

I know the whole "you gotta try this, mannn, it changes everything!!!" trope. But for me it does, and with little to no side effects. Aside from occasional restlessness (and occasionally significant impatience from such) and trouble sitting still, there's almost no side effects.

I know using and condoning it's recreational use risks damaging the image of all those who take it (especially those taking it as ordered and responsibly so), much as those abusing opiates can cause issues for those taking them strictly (to great benefit) on a medicinal basis. But man, after what it's done for me, I wish there was a way I could introduce it to the people closest to me in life. Hell, I wish I could find a way to bring it to as many others as possible.

And that does include my worst enemies, because at the end of the day the anxiety, cognitive issues, and nerve pain I suffer from are pure hell and I wouldn't wish it on any of them. I would wish there's could get better, too.
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Do you believe this to be an opioid like substance one could function on? Per say running a cash register interacting with the public on?🤣
 
50 mg 5-MAPB is a low dose maybe not equal to 100 mg MDMA,
but i imagine 50 mg MDMA not doing much i would up it to 80 mg

But if that psychonaut wiki& 5-MAPB assisted PTSD therapie are bit right .
Are correct with there info 40/ 50 mg 5-MAPB is a light dose, more then enough for me.
5-MAPB was in HCL form, not the Succinate which requires a larger dose.

MDMA 20/ 80 mg is a light dose according to them, 20mg does nothing.

Would you say they are equal, so a good dose for MDMA would also be 100 mg.
Which I would consider about a normal dose, back then. Just would take to much.
But 100 mg bk-MDMA was eventually more then enough compared to weekend binging on X.
 
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GulpingBatteryLiquid said:
Literally everything other than alcohol, tobacco and caffeine are illegal to import or sell under the Psychoactive Substances Act

There's a clever workaround to this though, you can just buy illegal drugs and not get caught
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I wonder how much it would take to buy England and change its drug policy.
 
Taking this to mean 'the best legal high available at the time', then I'd say from my limited experience, MXE, 6 -APB, 3 -FPM.

Unfortunately (or fortunately), I missed the glory days of mephedrone and MDPV, but I'm sure I'd have been balls deep in them given half a chance...
 
Really today, any 'legal highs' just aren't good - talking shit you'll find in a foil bag with whatever bullshit chemicals and bright branding all over it. Those days are long gone and anything that is ever invented at this point that is awesome is going to be banned super quick.

But in terms of 'legally accessible but consumption is maybe illegal' then magic mushrooms and san pedro cacti are probably what I would say. Most countries grow magic mushrooms and with a bit of research and patience, success of finding some is very high. San pedro cactus are unregulated almost everywhere, you can buy them from your local garden center. They are full of mescaline, a psychedelic that is just as powerful and amazing as LSD, mushrooms etc(although different in its own right, and everyone has their preference). I personally think its a great drug, but be careful with dosage because it is a stimulant too and personally I found it very hard on the heart and vascular system - I think the only time I've come close to having some kind of medical emergency on any drug was an accidental high dose of mescaline and then riding a bicycle really hard without thinking 'wait my heart rate is already super high and blood pressure too'. Just don't be stupid really, I was naive and young.


Neither drug is really 'legal' though, more like.. easy to get without having to do anything illegal/deal with dealers and general black market dodgy stuff. The cactus is usually legal until you turn it into a soup. Be well hydrated and don't do anything super hard physically and mescaline I think is one of the best drugs on the planet, even small doses are still very nice.
 
golego55 said:
Do you have any experiences with 4-MMC? I've heard of it, and read some interesting things, but never tried it.
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Yes, I had real 4-MMC a few times from a single "cat piss" batch that I bought right before meph was banned in US. To give a context to my experience, I have to mention that I really abused methylone, 2-4 times a week for 5 months prior to trying mephedrone to a point that methylone stopped working for me. At that point I would only get the stimulation without experiencing the incomparable euphoria from listening to things like Grand Guignol so I stopped using it. While I was still using methylone, I tried ethylone, butilone 4-bmc, 4-mec, 4-emc and many other cathinones, bar 4-mmc. None of them were anywhere as good a methylone with the exception of 4-me, which was very expensive and turned out to be unstable. I also sampled all FAs and FMAs that were available at a time, but I didn't abuse them. Frequently I would try a substance once or twice, run some tests and throw it out. So after the methylone stopped working for me, right before the ban, I bought 4-mmc. Probably by then I already had high tolerance to cathinones which might explain why my experience 4-mmc differs vastly from a typical description. Unlike most people, I didn't find it either moreish or addictive. By not being moreish I mean that I didn't feel any compulsion to redose. With methylone I would redose 3 or 4 times a night. When I first got 4-mmc, I experimenting with snorting it. There was some mild buzz, but it wasn't euphoric or pleasurable like from a 200mg oral dose of methylone. I then took it twice orally at 250mg to two separate dancing parties. I felt very happy dancing the night away with Prozac smile plastered on my face while staying relatively clear-headed if I were to compare it to being on MDMA, 5-ME, 5/5-APBs, APDB, etc. But the next week I had a wicked comedown. I wasn't depressed, but I had headaches, body aches. I said screw it, gave it away and went back to exercise and meditation. Several years later I felt sorry that I gave it away because probable I would be able to get more joy out of it after I brought my body back to stasis. I tried buying it on the darknet a few times but would always get either 3-mmc or some mixed cathinones. But by then most of the kids buying the stuff wouldn't know the difference. I mean kids snort everything these days even though all cathinones, moly, APBs and amphetamines are incomparably better when digested. Put it up your ass if you just ate and must go out to party - it's still going to be more effective than through the nose...

I remember reading on this forum from some ketamine aficionado that snorting ketamine was a waste and one had to inject it. I don't inject myself or encourage anyone injecting drugs, but if you do decide to use something that is better eaten than snorted, like "Weird Al Yankovic said "Just eat it!" :)
 
Pastel said:
Yes, I had real 4-MMC a few times from a single "cat piss" batch that I bought right before meph was banned in US. To give a context to my experience, I have to mention that I really abused methylone, 2-4 times a week for 5 months prior to trying mephedrone to a point that methylone stopped working for me. At that point I would only get the stimulation without experiencing the incomparable euphoria from listening to things like Grand Guignol so I stopped using it. While I was still using methylone, I tried ethylone, butilone 4-bmc, 4-mec, 4-emc and many other cathinones, bar 4-mmc. None of them were anywhere as good a methylone with the exception of 4-me, which was very expensive and turned out to be unstable. I also sampled all FAs and FMAs that were available at a time, but I didn't abuse them. Frequently I would try a substance once or twice, run some tests and throw it out. So after the methylone stopped working for me, right before the ban, I bought 4-mmc. Probably by then I already had high tolerance to cathinones which might explain why my experience 4-mmc differs vastly from a typical description. Unlike most people, I didn't find it either moreish or addictive. By not being moreish I mean that I didn't feel any compulsion to redose. With methylone I would redose 3 or 4 times a night. When I first got 4-mmc, I experimenting with snorting it. There was some mild buzz, but it wasn't euphoric or pleasurable like from a 200mg oral dose of methylone. I then took it twice orally at 250mg to two separate dancing parties. I felt very happy dancing the night away with Prozac smile plastered on my face while staying relatively clear-headed if I were to compare it to being on MDMA, 5-ME, 5/5-APBs, APDB, etc. But the next week I had a wicked comedown. I wasn't depressed, but I had headaches, body aches. I said screw it, gave it away and went back to exercise and meditation. Several years later I felt sorry that I gave it away because probable I would be able to get more joy out of it after I brought my body back to stasis. I tried buying it on the darknet a few times but would always get either 3-mmc or some mixed cathinones. But by then most of the kids buying the stuff wouldn't know the difference. I mean kids snort everything these days even though all cathinones, moly, APBs and amphetamines are incomparably better when digested. Put it up your ass if you just ate and must go out to party - it's still going to be more effective than through the nose...

I remember reading on this forum from some ketamine aficionado that snorting ketamine was a waste and one had to inject it. I don't inject myself or encourage anyone injecting drugs, but if you do decide to use something that is better eaten than snorted, like "Weird Al Yankovic said "Just eat it!" :)
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Methylone was my favourite too. Wonderful drug.
 
Juicewrldfan said:
A mood stabilizer primarily used for BD? Joking right? Just saying because I have tons of this stuff
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It does actually work well for me. Obviously there are drawbacks, allergies, contraindications. But feeling better is feeling better.
 
golego55 said:
I wonder how much it would take to buy England and change its drug policy.
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Keep Electing Labour governments, they will cut the military enough. that a handful of mercenaries could take over.
I legally got enough fire power to take a small city over there. LMAO
 
Jnowhere said:
Keep Electing Labour governments, they will cut the military enough. that a handful of mercenaries could take over.
I legally got enough fire power to take a small city over there. LMAO
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They've only been in power for a few months after 14 years of the blue team having a go so I don't think there's much you can dump on their doorstep just yet. Theresa May is largely to blame for what happened to the RC market in the UK.

As for military spending, read the thread title before posting and stay on topic please. If you want to rant about guns and politics you can do that to your hearts content in the lounge or the dive.
 
Shinji Ikari said:
They've only been in power for a few months after 14 years of the blue team having a go so I don't think there's much you can dump on their doorstep just yet. Theresa May is largely to blame for what happened to the RC market in the UK.

As for military spending, read the thread title before posting and stay on topic please. If you want to rant about guns and politics you can do that to your hearts content in the lounge or the dive.
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I was stating how to change the government. A person made comment a that labour's is the same on drug policy.

I am an American, so a justified revolution is ok. Besides the royal family are Germans and Greeks, by decent I thought. I was talking change the old fashioned way.
 
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