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*Best drug to get rid of depression/loneliness

cannabis sativa said:
i say shrooms. they tend to teach me a lesson about not feeling sorry for myself. they can be a rough teacher at times but its worth it when they wear off.
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You might not be so lucky if you have a traumatising trip. You could be scarred for life. Remember that set and setting more or less determine how well your trip will go, so if you're genuinely depressed, the trip is unlikely to be constructive. It's more likely that it will worsen the issues you're trying to deal with.
 
people who have never suffered from depression or think theyve suffered from depression b/c they were sad for a couple days shouldnt give advice. there is no drug that can cure your depression. searching for a drug to do so will only lead to more problems. see a shrink. Don't listen to these ignorant jackasses who suggest something like GHB, MDMA, or shrooms will alleviate the depression. They've obviously never suffered from depression or have just killed off all their brain cells.
 
fastandbulbous said:
If you have to take a drug because you feel lonley, try MDMA, and go somewhere that'll have other people in the same state as you. You may well find someone who you have a lot in common with, and end up becoming friends. With smack, the only people you'll meet are dealers, and other people waiting to score
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Although this is very good advise, I would warn against the MDxA Crash.

I suffer from melancholia and loneliness, and have been suffering for more than 3 years now - so I think I know what I'm talking about. While Ecstasy did help me the way F&B suggests it would, I found the crash to be simply unbearable. If you think everything is shitty right now, wait till you crash. It will be like having a many-day-long bad trip on a strong psychedelic.

Of course, I am aware that most people do not crash as hard as I do. But... do you want to risk it? If you HAVE to take Ecstasy, then make sure you have plenty of benzos for the crash.

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That being said, I do agree with the concensus that taking drugs to cure depression is not a very good idea. I am currently toying with a Benzo addiction. So far my use is under control, but I can definitely see myself losing control if I lose vigilance.

I take psychedelics on those rare days when I feel happy, and they have given me benifits that no shrink or drug ever would. However, I know I'm flirting with the devil, and I did get my fair share of bad trips.

If you need to take something for depression (I am aware that shrinks don't always help), then I actually recommend 5-HTP and Magnesium daily, and melatonin at night. I find that these are the ONLY drug-like substances that help without doing much damage.

As a note: I find that Poppy tea keeps me in a good mood for up to a week after usage. I can somehow enjoy it without craving more, so I don't think addiction is a danger. Plus I have a limited supply (you can find only so much poppies..). I do not recommended though because I know several people who suffer from pod addiction and its just as serious as any opiate addiction.
 
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Don't listen to these ignorant jackasses who suggest something like GHB, MDMA, or shrooms will alleviate the depression. They've obviously never suffered from depression or have just killed off all their brain cells.

My my, what an arrogant little person you are. I have suffered from bipolar depression (well been diagnosed as such) for over 20 years. I've been tried with a variety of antidepressants until I found one (lofepramine) that didn't make my life unpleasant in other ways.

Finally, if you look at the post where I suggested MDMA, I preceeded it with "if you must take a drug" (the must being in bold type). I agree with Jamshyd, in that MDMA can turn nasty a day or two afterwards, but some people will take a drug to cope with lonliness; if they do, I was merely trying to point out that at least with MDMA, there's a chance that you will overcome the shyness/anxiety that produced the lonley state in the first place and possibly have a friendship from it that last long after all the after-effects of the drug have worn off. Not much chance of that happening with heroin
 
"My my, what an arrogant little person you are. I have suffered from bipolar depression (well been diagnosed as such) for over 20 years."

I don't believe he said he suffers from bipolar depression.

"Finally, if you look at the post where I suggested MDMA, I preceeded it with "if you must take a drug" (the must being in bold type). I agree with Jamshyd, in that MDMA can turn nasty a day or two afterwards, but some people will take a drug to cope with lonliness; if they do, I was merely trying to point out that at least with MDMA, there's a chance that you will overcome the shyness/anxiety that produced the lonley state in the first place and possibly have a friendship from it that last long after all the after-effects of the drug have worn off."

If he must take a drug? How would he know when to make such a conclusion? He probably should consult with another professional, not a forum that is essentially for recreational drug use. MDMA has risks in causing severe depression on the average person alone. Suggesting a person, already with severe depression, take MDMA as a last resort is an unnecessarily large gamble. If you read anything on the neurochemistry of depression and/or MDMA you will see that a friendship gained could be meaningless if the subject is still depressed or even more depressed after the whole experience. This person needs to tackle his problems head on, find the root source of his depression (whether it be biological, environmental, or both) and discover a solution (which may or may not exist), and not cope with loneliness by taking a powerful psychoactive drug. It's very rare where you see someone who is actually cured from depression by taking a drug. Anti-depressants are mostly bullshit and if anything will make it a little easier for the subject to work out his problems. Psychedelics can be enlightening, but there is also a chance for them to be quite traumatic, especially on those who are emotionally/mentally vulnerable.
 
No, but with bipolar depression you still get bouts of "proper depression", rather than feeling a bit down, sp I do have 1st hand experience of clinical depression. Some people will self medicate without going anywhere near a doctor or psychiatrist, I was pointing out that MDMA is most probably the lesser of several evils (after all, he started out wondering about self medication using an opiate; to me, that sounds like someone who's going to self medicate, regardless.

Anti-depressants aren't worthless; I'll not presume about your condition, but quite often, people with the "anti-depressants don't work for me" response haven't had the patience to take them for the periood of time required so that they have their full effect (possibly a result of our instant gratification society). I used to be like that when I was younger, but now I know they work, so I just keep to the dosage regieme for a month (regarless of any effect, or lack of, before the month's up). I'll only go back if I've had no reduction in depression symptoms at the 4 week mark.

Anti-depressants have helped me through some incredibly bleak and pointless feelings, and most people will find one that works for them, as long as they follow the dosing schedule.
 
He doesn't HAVE TO use anything. Benzos are usually RXed for a short term and the withdrawal effects are a bitch. Pot is also known to worsen depression for people.
 
Philoscybin said:
He doesn't HAVE TO use anything. Benzos are usually RXed for a short term and the withdrawal effects are a bitch.
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He sure as hell doesn't "have to", but regarding the issue of whether or not he should, that question cannot be answered.

However, I am siding with fastandbulbous on this issue; I thought your first remark was simply rude, placing every preceding post into one lump category of idiots crying out "eat mushrooms and feel better! Shoot heroin and feel better!" when this was quite obviously NOT the case. You should have simply stated your message more clearly, and this whole argument would never have arisen, leading to the affair at hand being more acutely addressed. Either way, I can see the issue from both yours and F+B's points of view, but the point of arguing is ultimately moot. The argument is a digression from what, I'm sure, the original poster wanted; that is, a direct and simple answer geared toward recovery. While I'm not sure one exists, fighting amongst other posters doesnt help clear the fog.

While some of the above responses may not be the wisest to grace this particular thread, and you most certainly have the right to point those out specifically, your comment appeared to lump all posts submitted prior to yours in the same category: Ignorant Advisement.

You simply cannot make inferences as to someone's mental past (regarding clinically diagnosed depression, specifically) due to giving bad advice on the subject over the internet, as you do when you say that someone has "clearly never experienced clinical depression if they offer advice such as take mushrooms". Your point would have been more suitable, had it said that the advice given from those over the internet is a far cry from what a professional doctor could give you, instead of lumping a group of contributors into a single mass of proclaimed idiocy. At least, thats what it felt like, and I do hope you respect my stance on this issue.

Regarding benzodiazepine medications, my benzodiazepine recommendation was indeed a temporary solution to his problems. I even mentioned that he should try not to get addicted to the things; however, Xanax's anxiolytic properties may help his mind calm itself down enough to rationally support the idea of a future, non drug-induced mental rehabilitation, and it's not an illicit substance, which may be the most important factor in all of this.

Now. Back on the subject... please.
I do know what this poster is going through, and I wish to help him. Snide remarks do nothing but contribute to the degredation of the support certain other individuals are trying to offer to him - aside from the mere mention of a recreational drug he may or may not find "fun enough" to make him love life a little bit more.

Peace.
And again, best wishes to the original poster. Times can be tough, but with assistance, and with the assistance of fellow human beings primarily, I believe you can and will make it.
PM me if you wish to converse further. This thread itself seems to be leading to disaster.
-Vaya

P.S. - Fastandbulbous - one point of yours I simply must refute is the efficacy of SSRI-based medications. I have had enough experience with them, and have given them enough consideration(time spent on said medications), as well as had the very same conversations with countless acquaintences in the same situations. I believe SSRI's can benefit only a very SELECT few individuals. PM me if you want to discuss this further. - V
 
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I actually agree with you on the point about SSRI's, as I've been tried with three of them (fluoxetine, paroxetine and venlafaxine - the last's actually a SNRI), and none of them were of much help to my situation. The one that works best for me is actually a tricyclic (lofepramine), but one without sedative effects. I honestly think that SSRI's are useful for people with OCD and social anxiety disorders, but as plain out and out antidepressants, they're only moderately effective.

The point I was trying to get across, is that regardless of the medication in question, I've seen a lot of people reject an antidepressant because it wasn't working at the end of the first week (very few do); the only one that I've read reports of it working that quickly is with bupropion, but that's not for everyone (I did ask my GP about it, and other SDRI's, but bupropion is only licenced in the UK for use in stopping smoking, and there aren't any other SDRI's licenced in the UK).

You'd think if someone had endured months (even years) of depression, they'd be willing to give an antidepressant 3-4 weeks, but it doesn't seem to work that way.

PS. Your post/view was much more balanced than the others in this thread, and was most probably needed (I've been going down with a cold, which generally exacerbates my symptoms of depression, and tends to make me a bit cranky!|)
 
"I thought your first remark was simply rude, placing every preceding post into one lump category of idiots crying out "eat mushrooms and feel better! Shoot heroin and feel better!" when this was quite obviously NOT the case. You should have simply stated your message more clearly, and this whole argument would never have arisen, leading to the affair at hand being more acutely addressed."

What part of my message wasn't clear enough? It may have been rude, but it needed to be said. It's an obvious risk to fool around with drugs whilst mentally ill. Suggesting otherwise is an irresponsible and radical statement. I think most psychologists and other professionals would agree with my argument.

I stand by my argument. I do know what this person is going through, trust me. I've experimented with psychoactives in the past to cope with depression and anxiety, and the long term risks are just not worth it. Both my uncle and my father threw their lives away treating their problems with recreational drugs, and I've seen too many people just lose their minds fooling around with psychedelics to treat themselves. A responsible response to this person would be to not take drugs as a coping mechanism.
 
Fragbait said:
There is no drug that will cure you.

However, that doesn't mean that there aren't cures. For me, forcing myself to get out of the house and do things (like go on walks and stare at things) was way better than sitting around thinking about how shitty everything is and how I don't have anything to do, etc etc.

You're in control of your interpretation of life.. take advantage of it and you'll start to see things fall into place.
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I couldnt agree more. I have reallly bad social problems, even when I take my meds but a nice smoke and a walk gets my mind off of things.
 
I do know what this person is going through, trust me.

You don't know the person, so you don't know what this person is going through (hell, you told me I didn't have any idea, as I suffer from bipolar depression). You can have an idea of what the person is going through, but they might not have a family history anything like yours. The arguement you used to tell me I couldn't know because I had bipolar depression, is the one you're using to tell everyone else that you know what is going on inside his head.


Unless you're psychic, that sort of statement is a tad arrogant
 
"You don't know the person, so you don't know what this person is going through"

It's funny how you didn't say that to Vaya. I guess he must be psychic.

I think what Vaya meant to say, as did I, was that we have some idea. The "know" wasn't meant to be taken so literally.

"(hell, you told me I didn't have any idea, as I suffer from bipolar depression). You can have an idea of what the person is going through, but they might not have a family history anything like yours. The arguement you used to tell me I couldn't know because I had bipolar depression, is the one you're using to tell everyone else that you know what is going on inside his head."

I didn't pinpoint you into saying you had any idea or not. You said you had bipolar depression and I said the poster didn't say anything about having bipolar. I don't have much doubt that you are being truthful and have some idea, but suggesting MDMA rather than saying that drugs aren't the answer seems like you have little knowledge about the subject other than through your own experience. It's partially the poster's fault to begin with for seeking advice from a recreational drug forum, and I'd like for him to know this before he starts using anything.
 
Philoscybin said:
It's partially the poster's fault to begin with for seeking advice from a recreational drug forum, and I'd like for him to know this before he starts using anything.
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Pardon me Philoscybin, but wtf are you doing here?
 
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