Best Benzo For when you are ready to crash

[Lady Codone]

Depends mostly on how long you want to crash. Some benzos last longer than others, though I'm not sure which is which. Xanax wears off quickly for me while etizolam lasts longer.

 

[opiatekrzy]

xanax is good for the immediate crash, but as it wears off (fairly fast) u will notice u will go right back to feeling like shit, try to grab longer acting benzos in combo with the xanax, prefereably clonazepam (klonopin)

**you dont need to snort benzos, they have a very high BA orally, and xanax kicks in on an empty stomach within 5-10mins (roughly the same as snorting), all snorting benzos does, is it leaks from ur nostril down ur throat to ur stomach.

 

[bronson]

**you dont need to snort benzos, they have a very high BA orally, and xanax kicks in on an empty stomach within 5-10mins (roughly the same as snorting), all snorting benzos does, is it leaks from ur nostril down ur throat to ur stomach.

qft. If you absolutely must have faster onset of action then go for sublingual administration, though the duration of effect will be lessened, which isn't likely something you're looking for on a comedown.

 

[Psychonauticunt]

I have recently been doing some research about using Benzodiazepines to go to sleep after an amphetamine binge.

Most of the threads I found are rather old, so I wanted to make a new one, and also open it up to all drugs, not just stimulants.

What do you think is the best Benzodiazepine to be used for the purpose of helping you fall asleep after having done drugs that are known to make it difficult to sleep? Stimulants are obviously the most notorious for this, but I believe any MDMA-like or psychedelic drug also has this effect on the user.

A couple of things to keep in mind:

1) Everyone reacts differently to different drugs.
2) It depends a whole lot on how much of the stimulating drug you've taken, how long ago, and what drug it is.

All benzos are good for crashes per se and all benzos exert the same properties at large enough doses, but others are more specific for other types of action. If you want to not feel shitty during your comedown an anxiolytic benzo is great, but you were talking about crashing, going to sleep, so here's my $0.02:

If you're coming down off cocaine or MDMA, or then amphetamine or a long-acting psychedelic, but you would naturally be able to fall asleep in about 3-4 hours anyway, then any sedative benzo which is absorbed quickly will do the trick. Short duration is not important, as the stimulant drug will have worn off by when your benzo does.
If you're still tweaking and expect a comedown that will last hours, possibly into the next day, then you need a longer-acting benzo to make sure you don't wake up in the middle of the night or the next morning all pissed off.

The most important qualities here, though, are hypnotic effects (and to a lesser extent, muscle relaxant effects).
Alprazolam and clonazepam are both mostly anxiolytic benzos. Alprazolam kicks in fast, but has a short duration. Clonazepam lasts long, but takes over an hour to start working, 3-4 hours to reach peak plasma levels for some. This makes both poor choices in my book - not sedative enough.

Midazolam and triazolam are short-acting benzos which are potently hypnotic, but will begin to work very quickly. They will knock you out, but only work for a few hours.
Temazepam, lorazepam (which some find hypnotic, but I do not), diazepam, and flunitrazepam are all absorbed quickly, work for over 6 hours (giving you a good night's sleep), and are potent hypnotics. Lormetazepam and etizolam are also fine choices. Nitrazepam is also very strong but takes a while to come on.

 

[Illyria99]

When I was in rehab, they'd give us Chloral Hydrate for sleep...and that shit knocked me right out. I would definitely recommend it.

(But when I'm at home, I take 125 mgs of benedryl and that works pretty well)

 

[paranoid android]

Temazepam+zopiclone is a great combo to make you crash out and so is temazepam+Valium. Though i would recommend cutting back on your normal doses of both unless your tolerance to benzos is rather high. Throwing doxylamine, hydroxyzine or diphenhydramine in the mix will add to the sedating by quite abit as well.

When I was in rehab, they'd give us Chloral Hydrate for sleep...and that shit knocked me right out. I would definitely recommend it.

(But when I'm at home, I take 125 mgs of benedryl and that works pretty well)

How was the Chloral Hydrate is terms of euphoria if there was any? It is technically still available here in Canada in both syrup and capsule form but i have never heard of anyone getting that stuff prescribed here in my lifetime anyway.

 

[drancer]

throwing back a few mgs of doxylamine on top of a xanax/temazepam nod? Never thought of that one. Brilliant idea for a true KO!!

 

[Illyria99]

Temazepam+zopiclone is a great combo to make you crash out and so is temazepam+Valium. Though i would recommend cutting back on your normal doses of both unless your tolerance to benzos is rather high. Throwing doxylamine, hydroxyzine or diphenhydramine in the mix will add to the sedating by quite abit as well.



How was the Chloral Hydrate is terms of euphoria if there was any? It is technically still available here in Canada in both syrup and capsule form but i have never heard of anyone getting that stuff prescribed here in my lifetime anyway.

There wasn't much euphoria...it just made me sleep. Other people would get detox meds in rehab, and most of them would be complete zombies, barely able to walk down the hall. Everyone except me and a couple of others, who had demonically high tolerances. But the Chloral knocked us OUT within 30 minutes.

There are a few doctors who will prescribe the capsules for sleep...but mainly you can only get it in rehab, in the liquid form.

 

[WorldWarMe]

For completely killing the high and removing all the speediness, I recommend Alprazolam. That's been the best Amphetamine killing benzodiazepine to date due to its fast and hard hitting action. It completely takes that edge off. I understand some people (I am not one of them) need a form of hypnotic after Amphetamines binges to get to sleep if they use too much, so for that I would recommend Temazepam. It's harder to get, put it really puts you to sleep. But, then again, the people in this thread are right about Diazepam due to its half life and muscle relaxing properties, but I just personally prefer the Alprazolam as it almost completely eliminates all the edginess, depression, "hollow head", it helps with your heart rate and blood pressure pretty well also.

 

[Pill2Chill]

IMO: Xanax or bromazepam.

I always wait until I feel like shit from the comedown to take it, it feels 10x more relaxing to me that way instead of taking it TO come down..

 

[the red shark]

Nitrazepam known a mogadon or alodorm it's a hypnotic benzo and stronger than temazepam-the other hypnotic benzo. Has a half life of 18-25hours takes a little while to kick in. Mix with clonazepam another long lasting benzo and you're set

 

[hatrix]

Diphenhydramine isn't going to do shit for any moderate to high dose of a strong stimulant. Especially if you are just starting to come down. You will never get to sleep, diphenhydramine is just going to cause it to be even harder to fall asleep.

Tends to worsen anxiety on stimulant comedowns and can also cause respiratory depression. High doses are not recommend. You're just going to become delirious.

Any standard benzo is your best bet, other than seroquel which will definitely knock you out. I have a regular prescription for Diazepam and when I do use stimulants (fairly often) it's my only way to get to sleep when I know I otherwise wouldn't be able too. Get's rid of most of my anxiety, making me feel 100x better. I don't however get high from it, regardless of the dosage really. Just less of my heart pounding out of my chest feeling.

Unfortunately I've had to rough quite a few comedowns the past couple weeks, as I've been out of Diazepam. The worst have been from 60mg of Methylphenidate, plugged.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

Temazepam

 

[opiatekrzy]

no benzo is perfect for killing a crash, yes it may help initially, but after a few hours, the benzo is going to wear off and u will soon again feel the mental mindfuck crash you were in before you took the benzo, klonopin is what i use, and after 3 hrs i go back to feeling like shit like i never took a benzo, so its important for me to go to sleep ASAP so i dont have to keep redosing benzos, cuz a crash can mess with u for several several hours

 

[WorldWarMe]

Diphenhydramine isn't going to do shit for any moderate to high dose of a strong stimulant. Especially if you are just starting to come down. You will never get to sleep, diphenhydramine is just going to cause it to be even harder to fall asleep.

Tends to worsen anxiety on stimulant comedowns and can also cause respiratory depression. High doses are not recommend. You're just going to become delirious.

Any standard benzo is your best bet, other than seroquel which will definitely knock you out. I have a regular prescription for Diazepam and when I do use stimulants (fairly often) it's my only way to get to sleep when I know I otherwise wouldn't be able too. Get's rid of most of my anxiety, making me feel 100x better. I don't however get high from it, regardless of the dosage really. Just less of my heart pounding out of my chest feeling.

Unfortunately I've had to rough quite a few comedowns the past couple weeks, as I've been out of Diazepam. The worst have been from 60mg of Methylphenidate, plugged.

I find that's the best part about benzos for amphetamine comedowns. I find when I'm high on Dextroamphetamine I know my heart is racing/pounding but I don't notice it as much. But, once I come down, I start to really notice it, it almost vibrates my chest and I can see it moving my shirt slighty.
Every time I stand up it slows down to (what I presume) 35-50 beats per minute and starts beating REALLY hard (increased blood pressure). Amphetamine comedowns also give me terrible anxiety so it makes me think I'm on the verge of having a heart attack when in reality it's just the drug that's causing my heart to beat that fast. But, when you're having a panic attack no amount of logic will convince you that you aren't about to go into cardiac arrest.
Taking a benzo during an Amphetamine comedown completely stops that for me. I can stand up as fast as I want, no increased blood pressure. I can no longer feel my heart pounding and/or beating super fast. I would never take any upper without a benzodiazepine on hand.

Also, about your Methylphenidate comedown - I feel so bad for you. MPH in my experience has THE WORST comedown ever and if I took 60mg MPH plugged (which is basically 80-100mg) and had no benzodiazepine for the comedown I would probably kill myself.

 

[hydroazuanacaine]

as i've seen at least one other person mention in this thread, there is a risk with using z-drugs to try to come down from stimulants. it can cause intense delirium instead of letting you sleep. apparently it works fine for some, but i'd advise against it.

it's a foolish lifestyle, but xanax is the best for this purpose. of the easily obtainables in the US.

 

[opiatekrzy]

ritalin comedown is the worst crash known to man IMO, i have had suicidial thoughts, not cause i was weak, because its a drug fucking with ur natural brain chemicals, something u cant help, plus the intense physical tension, i rather die then live like that day by day, im sure if i had a gun for everytime i crashed on ritalin on top of it intensifying all my lifes problems , i prolly wuld of pulled the trigger..its a nasty disgusting world of stimulant comedown..i despise ritalin

 

[Lightning-Nl]

When I was in rehab, they'd give us Chloral Hydrate for sleep...and that shit knocked me right out. I would definitely recommend it.

(But when I'm at home, I take 125 mgs of benedryl and that works pretty well)

I'm gonna call bullshit on that post. The three times I was in rehab, their policy was "No controlled substances - no exceptions." And obviously I'm talking about medications prescribed by a doctor.

As for coming down - I'd personally say Ambien is better than any of the lesser benzo's. On a therapeutic dosage comparison - Ambien is more powerful than Valium, much more powerful than Ativan, and give you all the same effects with lesser potential for addiction (for me anyways). If you really want a benzodiazepine, don't take Ativan - it's a waste of time (although it helps.) Take higher doses of Valium. Xanax, Klonopin, Etizolam, or Temazepam are the best, however.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

^perhaps was bullshit, but amazingly its still used

chloral hydrate is a recreational GABAergic of the 19th century, more so than most, if not all, benzodiazepines

good job recommending something you A: probably never tried, B: probably know nothing about, C: has more potential to cause addiction than most drugs people go into rehab for, D: is just as or more toxic than ethanol, and E: has next to no clinical trials in favor of it relative to other drugs which work better

 

[Lightning-Nl]

good job recommending something you A: probably never tried, B: probably know nothing about, C: has more potential to cause addiction than most drugs people go into rehab for, D: is just as or more toxic than ethanol, and E: has next to no clinical trials in favor of it relative to other drugs which work better

Not sure if that was directed at me or not. But if it was, I can say this. I've had extensive experience with Lorazepam and Diazepam. I've only had the chance to take Alprazolam once and Etizolam a couple times. I've never tried Clonazepam or Temazepam.

Benzodiazepines are no where near as toxic as Ethanol. Benzo's may have more desirable effects due to their much higher GABA affinity. However, Ethanol is a potent solvent. Why do you think they put it in almost every cleaning product? Because it kills cells, and that's just what it does the body.....it kills cells.

Sure benzos are hard on the body and they probably have worse effects than Ethanol in certain ways, but benzo's won't eat your liver away like Ethanol will.