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Bernie Sanders

Trumps alleged crimes pale in comparison to the 4 decade long Clinton Crime Spree. I'm not here to defend the man but if one wants to maintain the status quo and worse,then by all means vote for Hillary. Trump is a pickpocket to the Clinton's murderous cartel, devoid of any morals or empathy and willing to do ANYTHING to maintain and expand their power. I KNOW they don't GAF about anything else.

Again,I advocate voting every incumbent out of office,regardless of party, down the entire political chain including the dogcatcher. In some cases you can still vote your parties challenger in a few separate late congressional primaries in August and September that remain and then vote him/her in the General,if you want to stay party loyal.
 
I fully agree with that sentiment. I am going to die if trump gets the praise for getting gun control passed by working with the NRA. I mean I'm good with no flylist people not getting guns, but it is a little concerning bc the government decides who is put on that list. Maybe if a third party decided who was placed on the terrorist watch list I'd feel better about the purposed gun control.
 
It is true. We need an Oversight committee for who can have guns that is not the government.

Hillary leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It is amazing that people actively vote against their best interest.

@nevada caucus: That is amazing that there is not more investigations going on.
 
manboychef said:
It is true. We need an Oversight committee for who can have guns that is not the government.

Hillary leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It is amazing that people actively vote against their best interest.

@nevada caucus: That is amazing that there is not more investigations going on.
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Calm down nobody is asking for the un or one world government. I'd take a federal reserve type scenario except each have equal oversight over each other. This third party would have a panel of NRA officials, left wing anti constitution officials, etc...

After seeing Obama turn the IRS on conservative groups you have to be able to see why it is hard to trust the government. Not just Obama many on the right as well.
 
Droppersneck said:
Each have equal oversight over each other ... This third party would have a panel of NRA officials, left wing anti constitution officials, etc...
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So this type of government would be based around the idea of a system of checks of balances, where the various constituencies would have their interests represented by elected officials? Sounds an awful lot like the federal government that we already have!
 
Yes but with something that holds the ultimate checks and balances bt the government and the people I do not think the federal government could be trusted by itself. It would be too easy for a left wing radical administration to have a few bad actors make some bad moves. Let's say we ban all people on the no fly list from buying weapons. So why not start trying to see how we can expand the number of people not eligible to fly? This is completely reasonable thinking especially with the way the IRS has acted in recent years.
 
Campaign finances was why Obama sent the IRS to a lot of conservative groups. There was fraud going on. Unfortunately, if one goes after a group, said group gets all butthurt because they are a group. The IRS should be a sector of government that is not partisan, but unfortunately it is.

Also: It doesn't matter if it is a conservative or a liberal... Any bad actors are going to make problems. During conservative administrations we have hurt the american people's ability to sustain themselves. During liberal administrations we have hurt corporations ability to create and sustain jobs. The real problem is greed. Corporate greed keeps corporations from spreading the love downward. Political greed keeps people in power that no longer serve their constituents as is the case of hillary clinton. We need moderate politicians that are not beholden to corporate overlords, or special interests. The interest of the people they serve should come first. This is something we have not had in many years. Checks and balances my ass. We have an obstructionist congress...so much so that they shut the government down rather than vote on bills that would help the american people. It is sad. It is also sad that you believe that it is only the liberals fault we are in this mess droppers. Open your eyes and realize that it is not a partisan thing, but a politician thing.

When you broaden your horizens and take the blinders off dropper, come back to me.
 
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I think requiring "sunset provisions" for a lot of legislation,especially the feelgood bullshit that gets passed,would go a long way in reining in the abuses that inevitably creep in. I wonder if the WOD would be the behemoth that it's become or civil asset forfeiture's would have turned so corrupt if Congress had to revisit it every so many years.At the least it would keep them busy justifying the old bullshit rather than passing new bullshit.Applying sunsets to newly formed agencies might work too.I wonder if the FBI or DEA would have survived in their present form if they had to be re-authorized every 20,30 or 40 years.

Doing away with qualified immunity would be huge in going after rogues and cleaning out the abusers.That's a huge draw for attracting assholes into government jobs,cops,prosecutors and judges being the first that come to mind.And fuck lifetime appointments for the Supremes too.Where else do you get to work till you die of natural or unnatural causes,as the case may be ?

And term limits for everyone elected to public office.Our legislators were ment to serve for some period of time and then go back home.Now,they literally are better than the rest of us,hell it's legal for them to trade on inside info.End lobbying too while I'm at it.If your business or industry needs to bribe lawmakers to succeed you don't deserve to be in business.Man,there's so much that's fucked up in America,I havn't even scratched the surface. Nixon resigned over 20 minutes of erased tapes while that witch erased thousands of emails and is walking around free to cackle at the Feds. Uhggg.
 
manboychef said:
Campaign finances was why Obama sent the IRS to a lot of conservative groups. There was fraud going on. Unfortunately, if one goes after a group, said group gets all butthurt because they are a group. The IRS should be a sector of government that is not partisan, but unfortunately it is.

Also: It doesn't matter if it is a conservative or a liberal... Any bad actors are going to make problems. During conservative administrations we have hurt the american people's ability to sustain themselves. During liberal administrations we have hurt corporations ability to create and sustain jobs. The real problem is greed. Corporate greed keeps corporations from spreading the love downward. Political greed keeps people in power that no longer serve their constituents as is the case of hillary clinton. We need moderate politicians that are not beholden to corporate overlords, or special interests. The interest of the people they serve should come first. This is something we have not had in many years. Checks and balances my ass. We have an obstructionist congress...so much so that they shut the government down rather than vote on bills that would help the american people. It is sad. It is also sad that you believe that it is only the liberals fault we are in this mess droppers. Open your eyes and realize that it is not a partisan thing, but a politician thing.

When you broaden your horizens and take the blinders off dropper, come back to me.
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Yeah but I was only referring to that one gun control proposal.
 
MMT said:
I think requiring "sunset provisions" for a lot of legislation,especially the feelgood bullshit that gets passed,would go a long way in reining in the abuses that inevitably creep in. I wonder if the WOD would be the behemoth that it's become or civil asset forfeiture's would have turned so corrupt if Congress had to revisit it every so many years.At the least it would keep them busy justifying the old bullshit rather than passing new bullshit.Applying sunsets to newly formed agencies might work too.I wonder if the FBI or DEA would have survived in their present form if they had to be re-authorized every 20,30 or 40 years.

Doing away with qualified immunity would be huge in going after rogues and cleaning out the abusers.That's a huge draw for attracting assholes into government jobs,cops,prosecutors and judges being the first that come to mind.And fuck lifetime appointments for the Supremes too.Where else do you get to work till you die of natural or unnatural causes regardless of the job you are doing ?

And term limits for everyone elected to public office.Our legislators were ment to serve for some period of time and then go back home.Now,they literally are better than the rest of us,hell it's legal for them to trade on inside info.End lobbying too while I'm at it.If your business or industry needs to bribe lawmakers to succeed you don't deserve to be in business.Man,there's so much that's fucked up in America,I havn't even scratched the surface. Nixon resigned over 20 minutes of erased tapes while that witch erased thousands of emails and is walking around free to cackle at the Feds. Uhggg.
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The sunset provision is an amazing idea. That I completely agree on. I also agree with limiting people that are lifetime politicians as well as political dynasties. Kennedys, bushs, and clintons should have no place in politics constantly. Yes the supreme court needs to be shaken up every say four years. That way a new batch of justices can get in there and a fresh set of eyes can be laid on many of the policies that are ruining this country.

The lobbying is pretty bad as well. Nixon was pretty bad though, but maybe not nearly as bad as clinton. Nixon was an asshole but he was up front about it. Clinton's nature is just so insidious.

Droppersneck said:
Yeah but I was only referring to that one gun control proposal.
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There are good ideas with gun control, and bad ideas with gun control. What we need is better monitoring of the guns that are in the US. Yes robberies happen, but if you report that robbery and have bought the gun legally there should be a paper trail that is tied to that gun's serial number.

Honestly, the no fly no gun policy is good, but there is no real meaningful way to stop people from going off and killing people other than to expand mental health and actually use the NSA for what they were created for.
 
Droppersneck said:
Let's say we ban all people on the no fly list from buying weapons. So why not start trying to see how we can expand the number of people not eligible to fly?
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You know that will happen.And the way the no fly list is run now you have absolutely no way to question anything about it. They would have to seriously reform the process before I could get behind tying the two together. I don't blame the NRA's current opposition one bit.
 
MMT said:
You know that will happen.And the way the no fly list is run now you have absolutely no way to question anything about it. They would have to seriously reform the process before I could get behind tying the two together. I don't blame the NRA's current opposition one bit.
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If Trump continues to support not letting people on watch lists buy guns I'll be unhappy when I vote for him.

It's such a slippery slope.

Example: let's put everyone on bluelight on a watchlist. They tend to have anti authoritarian views. They can't buy guns now.

Shit, cars are weapons too, they can't drive.

And while we're at it, they can't vote. They're against the system.
 
treezy z said:
If Trump continues to support not letting people on watch lists buy guns I'll be unhappy when I vote for him.

It's such a slippery slope.

Example: let's put everyone on bluelight on a watchlist. They tend to have anti authoritarian views. They can't buy guns now.

Shit, cars are weapons too, they can't drive.

And while we're at it, they can't vote. They're against the system.
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You make a very good point. No matter what you do someone is going to find what you are saying or doing offensive or dangerous.

I am not anti authoritarian. I am anti corruption, anti abuse of power, and very strongly anti political cronyism. I would be more than happy to deal with a government that is way more transparent, and actually has the best interest of the broadest number of people injected into their policymaking.

On gun control: With so many guns already being in the states there is no way to control it anymore. With advances in technology people can spread their ideology so quickly and broadly even if it is an ideology that is based on violence and oppression. How does one combat this? They tried the patriot act which eroded our rights and privacy. They tried the NSA which has completely destroyed any reasonable expectation of privacy. We are asked to pay for this privilege as well. What is next? Will we have to always be on the defensive when we leave our homes? Will we have to constantly be wary of our own feelings and how we express them? It is a very scary world we live in anymore.
 
Sanders has endorsed Hillary. Fucking coward, she cheated him out of the nomination.

How many of you Sanders supporters will listen to your chairman and vote for her?
 
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