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Bernie Sanders

Trump campaign national press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said: "Bernie Sanders has already won the debate in the Democrat primary, because every candidate is embracing his brand of socialism."
 
TheLoveBandit said:
It's interesting your first thought is attacks from Reps. I don't think they'll view him as any kind of threat. Certainly not enough to warrant any acknowledgement, much less criticism.
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...wait...when you hear "progressives", you think of conservatives?
 
Trust me, Trump is intimidated by Bernie. He would have gotten probably 95% of Hillary's votes plus at least 5-10% of Trumps votes. Plus new votes from those of us who didn't vote for either.

MSM doesn't like Bernie, because MSM wanted Clinton as president desperately. Meet the Press ran a hit piece on Bernie a couple of weeks ago before he even annnounced. And everything I've read so far is some version of "he had his chance". Funny I don't remember any of them saying that about Hillary in 2016.
 
CFC said:
Trump campaign national press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said: "Bernie Sanders has already won the debate in the Democrat primary, because every candidate is embracing his brand of socialism."
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I know and it scares and disgusts me.

Makes me think what side am I really on, re: THEY WILL NOT REPLACE US.

I do not need college. I do not need healthcare. I need a lot of downers so I can self-terminate. The left COMPLETELY abandoned civil rights. Scary times.

No centrist left. What happened?
 
The way I see it, unless something totally unexpected happens, like a terrorist attack perhaps. Then the 2020 election is the democrats to lose.

They can beat trump, but only if they present a united front. If they split their vote again, trump could well win again.

And I don't want trump to win again, so hopefully the democrats won't shoot themselves in the foot.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
If Libertarianism wasn?t real I?d be a Trump supporter.
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C'mon in (to the Trump side)....the water's fine.

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JessFR said:
The way I see it, unless something totally unexpected happens, like a terrorist attack perhaps. Then the 2020 election is the democrats to lose.

They can beat trump, but only if they present a united front. If they split their vote again, trump could well win again.
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I think they really will split their vote again, and let Trump win because they can't pull it together.

But here's another thought. What if Bernie either pulls a bigger number of Dems toward Socialism or simply breaks from Dems and runs Socialist? I don't think he'd win, as you and I agree it's splitting votes that ought to unite against Trump. BUT, I think this may also be a means to get a 3rd party (Socialist) up and going. Leverage someone like Bernie who CAN make that big a pull, force Dems to drift with him or break back to centrist, and the Socialist party might start gaining enough momentum to sustain. I don't think he'd win (again, split voting base) but it can lay the foundation for future Socialists like AOC or others. I expect it would have a hard time fighting the ingrained machines that are Reps and Dems, but they'd be bringing the Dem playbook with them and know what games are played and how to play them.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
I know and it scares and disgusts me.

Makes me think what side am I really on, re: THEY WILL NOT REPLACE US.

I do not need college. I do not need healthcare. I need a lot of downers so I can self-terminate. The left COMPLETELY abandoned civil rights. Scary times.

No centrist left. What happened?
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Well, with all due respect, not everyone just wants to die. Many people want to live healthy lives with opportunities. Said opportunities are becoming harder and harder to have... health care costs are absurd and completely out of control. So is the cost of college. I've said elsewhere recently that I actually support a return to a reasonable college tuition rate that doesn't land student in 20 years of debt, rather than free college, as I agree not everyone needs college, but everyone needs health care.

I really don't see how the left wanting universal health care and free college (even if I don't necessarily support free college) is the left abandoning civil rights.
 
usa #1?

on healthcare system performance, the u.s. is #37 (source: who "world health report" 2000)

on education, the u.s. is #26 (source: oecd "world education rankings" 2010)

these figures are obviously out of date. i'll try to find some more current figures.

alasdair
 
TheLoveBandit said:
No, I hear "progressives" and think left. I hear "conservatives" and think right. But I'm not one to believe in absolutes, and I'm interested in being corrected when I'm wrong.
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I would imagine it depends on what one's perception of "progress" is. My extremely conservative uncle considered Margaret Thatcher a hardcore progressive, for example.
 
Liberalism's hypocrisy: A case study of Senator Bernie Sanders, example of those to come
https://imperianews.com/usa-news-an...enator-bernie-sanders-and-the-ones-to-follow/

So you still believe Bernie Sanders (the 2016/2020 presidential candidate) is an anti-establishment/anti-war politician?
1. He voted in favor of use of force (euphemism for bombing) in 12 sovereign nations that never represented a threat to the U.S.: Afghanistan - Lebanon - Libya - Palestine - Somalia - Syria - Yemen - Yugoslavia - Haiti - Liberia - Zaire (Congo) - Sudan

2. He has accepted campaign money from Defense contractor Raytheon. He continues his undying support of the $1.5 trillion F-35 industry and said that predator drones "have done some very good things". Sanders has always voted in favor of awarding more corporate welfare for the military industrial complex - and even if he says he's against a particular war he ends up voting in favor of funding it.

3. He routinely backs appropriations for imperial wars, the corporate scam of Obamacare, wholesale surveillance and bloated defense budgets. He loves to bluster about corporate welfare and big banks but he voted for funding the Commodity Futures "Modernization" Act which deregulated commercial banks and created an "unregulated market in derivatives and swaps" which was the major contributor to the 2007 economic crisis.

4. Regardless of calling himself an "independent", Sanders is a member of the Democratic caucus and votes 98% of the time with the Democrats and votes in the exact same way as war criminal Hillary Clinton 93% of the time. Sanders campaigned for Bill Clinton in the 1992 presidential race and again in 1996 - after Clinton had rammed through the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), vastly expanded the system of mass incarceration and destroyed welfare.

5. The sheepdog is a card the Democratic Party plays when there's no White House Democrat running for re-election. The sheepdog is a presidential candidate running ostensibly to the left of the establishment Democrat to whom the billionaires will award the nomination. Sheepdogs are herders,.... charged with herding activists and voters back into the Democratic fold who might otherwise drift leftward and outside of the Democratic Party, either staying home. In 2004 he called on Ralph Nader to abandon his presidential campaign.

The Democratic Party has played this "sheep dog" card at least 8 times in the past utilizing collaborators such as Eugene McCarthy in 1968, Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988, Jerry Brown in 1992, Al Sharpton in 2000, Howard Dean in 2004, Dennis Kucinich in 2008 and in 2016 was Bernie Sanders' turn.

6. Regardless of calling himself a "socialist" he labeled the late Hugo Chavez, architect of the Bolivarian Revolution in Venezuela responsible for lifting millions of lives out of poverty, "a dead communist dictator." Then he saddled up for a photo op with Evo Morales at the Vatican and also voted to extradite former Black Panther member, Assata Shakur.

7. He refers to ISIS' godfather and warmonger extraordinaire John McCain as "my friend and a very, very decent person."

8. He routinely parrots the DNC lines: "the Russians hacked our elections" despite there is no evidence of such hacking, but lowered his head and tucked tail when the DNC actually rigged the primary elections against him, proving he is more loyal to the Democratic (war) Party than to the millions of people who supported him and donated to his fraudulent campaign.

9. He expressed staunch support for the aid of violently right-wing separatist forces such as the self-styled Kosovo Liberation Army, whose members were trained as Mujahideen, during Clinton's 100-day bombing of Yugoslavia and Kosovo in 1999. He has an extensive record of supporting jihadist proxies for the overthrow of sovereign governments in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria.

10. He supported Bill Clinton's sanctions against Iraq, sanctions that prohibited medicines for infants and children...more than 500,000 innocents killed for no other reason than that they were Iraqi.

11. He said yes in a voice vote to the Clinton-era crime bill, the Violent Crime Control & Law Enforcement Act of 1994, which expanded the death penalty to cover 60 offenses. So he is obviously pro-death penalty.

12. In the 2016 elections, he betrayed millions of people that believed in him when, after making the central point of his campaign the fight against Wall Street, he instructed his followers to vote for Wall Street's candidate, war criminal/corporate criminal Hillary Clinton. You cannot be committed to "fight Wall Street" and abruptly endorse the Wall Street candidate.

If you were to do this with a car transmission, you'd strip your gears - this is why it baffles me when people speak of him in tones of reverence and awe.
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Bernie Sanders is no different - no better or worse - than most US politicians who use the American public as a feedback loop in order to say what they want to hear. When push comes to shove - and it always does - 'representatives of the people' choose themselves and their career paths over sworn commitments to the public who elect them. Lasting impressions of Bernie reflect the naivety and ignorance of the voters, a disconnect most people would rather ignore. In politics, belief and truth rarely go hand-in-hand.
 
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TheLoveBandit said:
C'mon in (to the Trump side)....the water's fine.

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THEY WiLL NOT REPLACE US

but I can't say that in LA I'll get lynched by a bunch of multicultural liberal party-centered soccer moms in sweatshirts

I also believe that Mexicans are bringing me my meth and I WANT MORE METHAMPHETAMINE what is Trump ON to want the drugs to stop pouring in here?

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Also this is related. You may not have even heard, but lawyers Jared & Elizabeth Beck filed a class action lawsuit against the DNC on behalf of Bernie supporters who donated to his campaign. After (most likely due to murdered staffer Seth Rich) the DNC's emails were released via Wikileaks, the public witnessed internal corruption and the DNC virtually handing the nomination to Hillary (Wasserman-Schulz stepped down from the DNC as a result of the leaks but ended up being hired by the Clinton campaign). Lawyers argued that this resulted in fraud since people were donating to the Sanders campaign under the impression that the DNC would be acting impartially when selecting their candidate.

7 revelations from the motion to dismiss the DNC fraud lawsuit: Dem lawyers argue you can't define "impartial"
https://www.sott.net/article/367384...t-Dem-lawyers-argue-you-cant-define-impartial

1. The crux of the Motion to Dismiss asserts the Judge is not in a position to determine how the Democratic Party conducts its nominating process.

2. The Democratic Party views itself as having authority to favor a candidate without any legal repercussions.

3. Judge Zloch appeared skeptical, noting the Democrats' interest to obscure the guarantee of the Party's impartiality clause.

4. The Democrats insist that "impartial" cannot be defined, so the DNC's impartiality clause is akin to a political promise in that it can not be guaranteed.

5. DNC's legal counsel appeared unaware of any procedures in place to determine how the DNC supports state parties as they conduct individual primary nominating contests.

6. The Democrats' lawyers take the position that while the Democrats are not legally obligated to conduct the primary fairly, they did, in fact, conduct the 2016 primary fairly.

7. In closing remarks, U.S. Federal Court district judge emphasized: "Democracy demands the truth".




 
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