Misc Benzydamine aka Tantum Rosa aka Benflogin

[ady667]

I have recently noticed that information on benzydamine is very scarce on the web and thought I'd make a little report and give a few tips to first timers.I have used it for about 10 times and gained some good info on it.The recommended dose is 500-1000 mg more than that may be unpleasent.

First of all in my country Romania and Poland it can be found in a vaginal cleansing product called Tantum Rosa in packs of 500 mg .As any drug it has a few nice qualities and a few bad ones.The first problem would be the taste as it is extremely salty because of the salts contained in Tantum Rosa.After much research and some trial and error I have devised 2 ways of getting rid of this.

I.Filtering

You may extract the benzydamine from Tantum Rosa.By doing this the taste becomes quite acceptable.
You will need the following:
-A pack of good quality napkins
-The neck of a plastic bottle
-A tall glass and a short glass
-2 or 3 packs of Tantum Rosa(1/3 of the benzydamine gets lost in the process)
-Any type of natural juice.The sweeter the better.


1.First you put the content of the packs in the short glass.After that add 25 ml of water for every pack of Tantum Rosa.(3 packs -75 ml)Mix it very well for about 1-2 minutes.
2.Take the tall glass and put the neck of the plastic bottle inside of it upside down and cover it with the napkin.
3.Pour the contents of the small glass through the napkin (which acts as a filter)but be careful to do this slowly as the napkin may break.(i haven't tried coffee filters).
4.The benzydamine should remain on the napkin and the dissolved salt goes in the tall glass.
5.Take the napkin and put it on smooth surface.Then with a spoon take it and add it to your juice of choice.Drink it fast so as not to have a soapy taste in your mouth afterwards.

**This is the best and healthiest method but it takes time and patience.There also is a video on youtube describing the process just search "benzydamina".

II.Napkins again:D

Take the contents of 1 pack and place it into 5 separate pieces of napkin.Place the napkins in the bottom of your mouth and swallow carefully.Also you should drink something immediately to insure that it goes straight to your stomach.

III.Tomato juice

Simply add the contents of 1-2 packs to 1 liter of Tomato Juice.This method is the worst.


Effects


I would recommed eating something light right after taking the benzydamine.This will make it start quicker.In any case it should start in about 15-30 minutes.

In my experience I have noticed 4 phases of the drug.


Phase A

The first effects are relaxation and slight confusion.At the start there are no visuals only some sort of enjoyable mood change.This lasts for only 15-25 minutes.

Phase B

After aproximately 45 minutes from ingestion you start to get some visuals.Light sources leave trails sometimes creating interesting patterns and also objects develop an aura when they move in front of your eyes.A mild distortion of sound can be observed .The feeling of relaxation amplifies and you are completely aware of what is going on.

Phase C

This is what you've been waiting for.It starts after 1 or 2 hours.All the efects mentioned above are still present and in addition to those you start having true hallucinations.I have found 2 ways of producing them.The best is to look at things that are in the distance and are not very well illuminated.Also you can concentrate on objects close to you and after 1 minute wild things start happening to them.For me hallucinations start by looking very real and as I keep staring they turn into cartoony-animated things.My favourite hallucinations up until now:a chair appeared in a dark corner,is started running towards me in a very funny way,jumped and as it came closer to my face it reduced it's size and morphed into a star just before disappearing;a very strange and coloured micky mouse,4 cats sittig on a door that turned into cartoons jumped and the door opened(the second day not even the door was there:D).Auditory hallucinations start now as well and they can vary widely in length and intesity.Usually I hear people talking to me but other sounds such as a airplane are also possible.Auditory hallucinations start when the room is silent.This phase lasts for about 4 hours and it really drains you of your energy.After 3 hours from ingestion you have problems remembering things that just happened or forget what you were saying.This is not at all dangerous or unpleasent and it is quite funny for others around you.You remain very awake and able to separate drug from reality.Still it is recommended not to try benzydamine if you have phobias or if you scare easily.Euphoria is present but not very intense.

Phase D

This phase can be either neutral or agonizing.
The hallucinations end and rarely happen during this phase.You feel really tired and prefer to stay silent.Because serotonin is very low at this phase you will probably feel sad.Still,in Phase D you can experience Closed-eye visuals and you have a tendency to meditate.You will not be able to sleep.Smoking some weed may solve this.This phase lasts for about 6 hours.However I have done some research and concluded that eating large quantities of poultry and dark chocolate will make you feel better.When you finally manage to get to sleep you sleep well and wake up feeling refreshed.



A few VERY important tips:

1.You will not get hallucinations in well illuminated areas.Rember this:The darker-> the stronger the hallucinations. So you should do it at night
2.You will not get auditory hallucinations if the music is really loud.
3.NEVER TAKE BENZYDAMINE ALONE AND NEVER DO IT AT HOME WITH YOUR PARENTS OR IN ANY OTHER STRESSFULL ENVIRONMENT.It will be a very scary or paranoid experience.
4.DO NOT MIX WITH ALCOHOL.
5.Benzydamine is not a party drug.I find it ideal to take with 2 or 3 friends of mine maximum.
6.You can go outside but I recommend staying inside as you will feel the desire for comfort.
7.You can smoke weed with it but do not try a very strong kind.

Feel free to ask me any questions...I may have forgotten to include a few things.

Latter added:

-Smoking weed in Phase C will increase the number of hallucinations and in Phase D it will amplify the closed eye hallucinations quite a lot.I would go as far as comparing them to Third Plateu DXM.Be careful though as it will make you feel even more tired.
-You have no desire to eat while under the effect.
-You should drink lots of water or you may get dehydrated.
-You may end up having to go home while still under the effect of the drug.You may feel frightened when you arrive especially if you are alone and it is dark.I advise you to keep the lights on if possible and either watch a movie to draw your attention or at least listen to music.
-Your balance can also be slightly affected but this is of no concern.
-The next day after it is over I am usually very talkative and I really like the company of other people.
-I also find smoking cigarettes enjoyable.

 

[indelibleface]

Interesting! One thing though: why would large quantities of poultry and chocolate help measurably with mood? If you`re referring to the serotonin content, you have to remember that serotonin is not well absorbed across the blood brain barrier. Unless you are taking gargantuan doses, your brain will never see any of it.

You might as well take 5-HTP instead, which is a precursor to serotonin which does cross the BBB and is thereby transformed into serotonin inside your brain. It`s available as a supplement. Probably a better idea than eating a Mac truck-sized load of chicken breasts.

 

[ady667]

well

I meant to say dairy products and dark chocolate.My bad.In Phase D most people would prefer the effect of the drug be over as it is not so pleasant.Dairy products have a slight cholinergic effect that counter-acts the anticholinergic effect of benzydamine.Calcium also helps the system clean itself faster.I am not sure about the dark chocolate but it is the single way I found to produce more serotonin.Thanks for your solution.I appreciate it.

 

[Oxycontin160mg]

good post lots of info welcome to bluelight

 

[edgewise1]

Indeed very interesting and informative. Never done hallucinogens, and really plan too, but I am still interested in them from an information pov.

I am curious though. This drug is intended to clean up a vagina, correct? I wonder how it does that.

 

[ady667]

don't mind that

it acts as an a anti-inflammatory and analgesic when used otherwise.

 

[Stradivarius]

Using 25ml per bag (500mg of benzydamine) might reduce the loss of it. As i heard from some other source (unchecked).
Also, does this method eliminate ALL the salt?
Lastly, i am from Romania too.
Later edit: Coffee filters instead of napkins can be more reliable and also healthier. They are also thinner so they can be crumbled in very small "balls" and put into capsules.

 

[llamer]

multsumesc

 

[ady667]

Yes this method will elimiate ALL the salt.Using only 25 ml of water will reduce the loss of benzydamine but it will also reduce the quantity of salt which is being dissolved.Actually I once accidentally did this and only used 25 ml.If you are low on money you may try it but the taste will be somewhat worse. Be careful when using coffee filters.If they are not very dense the benzydamine will slip right through them.

 

[Spectator_1181]

...long boring story...

yes, i agree that benzydamine information on the internet is too scarce. back in 2005,2006 and 2007 it was very common to spend a weekend on benzydamine. there was an antiflamatory med (dunno if today its still around or they changed the formula or proihibited), as a 15yro kid, i walked inside the drugstores complaining about illness and asking for the med, usually they were suspicious, tried to indicate other ones, but i always bought, sometimes 2 boxes at the same drugstore.




the first time i took, after hearing all those fancy-hallucinatin stories. i took 7 pills, a couple of hours later started to have all the effects described, but they were weaker than i thought





so i started taking every weekend 20pills (the whole box) drinking some beers with some buddies until i went to the bathroom and noticed that everything was weird, appart from the normal effects described, there was some sort of mental disruption, everything is wrong, but you "don't know what is right", then you don't know what makes "right be right and wrong be wrong", start questioning everything and get all messed up.




walking the streets aimlessly like a zombie, complaining about all sorts of crazy stuff with everyone around even more crazier than you. having one deja-vu after another and knowing that a hundred more are still to come.




sounds funny now, but i think it isn't hard for someone high on benzydamine and alcohol kill himself thinking "why do i think"? or the panic attack just get to you and make the "existance experience" looks like a trap-maze that you need to get out .




alone you get the terryfing experience of hearing things, being watched, a well-structured paranoia, and you don't know if its real or not, maybe its real and you can't think of a hallucination, you don't know "what makes something real and what it doesn't"




well, the hallucinations went off, 3 days passed and they were back in a flashback (haha) but only for a while... the only thing that stood, was the madness... not only with me but with all the mates who used to party this way, some of them went to church, drowned in risperidone/haldol, it changed everything




makes you think your thoughts "aren't your thoughts", makes you think "why do you think and the purpose of thinking of having a purpose to think" and most definitly, fucks your mind for ever (hahaha)


this was a long post, i know my english sucks and benzydamine ABUSE shouldn't be practiced by those who share a particularly "skeptical" view "of life", or to put it simply, don't care about anything. you can end yours and maybe another ones too, even if it wouldn't be something to worry about when the sky is changing colours and you can't do a damn thing about it unless walk in circles carring a knife or a gun or some baseball bat just because you don't feel safe alive

 

[ady667]

A bit more info on the unpleasant part.

I agree with all that you have said as I myself have gone through the "what should I do now ?" ,"what is the purpose of life?" and other similar unanswerable questions.

This usually happens in Phase D...mainly because in Phase C you are to busy with all the hallucinations.

Weird enough none of my mates experienced these "philosophical" problems and never complained of depression or sadness. I was the only one to go through such experiences.This is why I didn't think it was worth mentioning as I considered that it only happens to me and not to most people. After using it once a week for about 5 weeks I fell into depression ..but I was ok after a week.

Some may be wondering how you can get sad from only these simple questions or think of suicide(which I also have done but only as curiosity with no intention whatsoever).I cannot explain it...most of the ideas you have when you are high and meditate on life are not shit.I once wrote them down and read them the second day only to find that they all made perfect sense.

What makes them so unpleasant is the fact that they are very pesimistic ideas.Normally you would not consider them but in that altered state you certainly will.

I am sorry for your loss and hope that others will learn from our mistakes and either use this drug with caution or never try it.

 

[Stradivarius]

Hey Ady.
Lets say i use your method which will get me only benzydamine, no salt.
Is it snortable? Can i inhale it through the nose so i feel the effects faster, stronger and shorter in duration? It would be way better than wait so much to sleep.
Later edit: It seems you modified your recipe to 3bags=75ml which is 25ml/bag.

 

[ady667]

I have never tried to snort benzydamine but I heard it's dangerous, so my advice is not to do it.The correct quantity of water is 25 ml/1 Satchel.

 

[yztuc]

If I may, I would like to recommend that you not do this drug more than once a month for your personal mental and body health. I have used ~30 times, everytime but once separated by a month in between doses. That one time i did 1g and then another g 2 days later. I developed severe hppd and depression. This might only be my case, but i think it's worth throwing out this info out there.

Also, do not go above the 1g dose. It tends to get very... datura-ish. And if you do decide to consider me a madman and go above 1g, make sure you have friends watching you.

 

[ady667]

Warning.

I felt the need to post this as one of my friends is currently in a psychiatric unit due to use of benzydamine in an unfortunate environment.I insist that you do not do this drug unless you are sure that for the next 20 hours or so have no obligations or other things to attend to.Also you really should not take over 1000 mg.I may have been more enthusiastic in the past concerning this drug but now I advise people against using it.Take care.

 

[adder]

What you called "Phase D" is actually a comedown. Wondering about world existence and life is not scary, the problem starts when you can't get rid of hallucinations and they start to be wearing, unpleasant, and frightful, and eventually you start having suicidal thoughts. Hallucinations are not only auditory and visual but also olfactory (I thought I smelled like shit, nothing ever caused me to smell like that but nobody beside me smelled that, everything I touched smelled awful to me, I started getting things out of apartment...). The whole experience (main part) lasts ~20hrs. And it's possible you lose control over things, you may get gaps in memory, lose control over your body (e.g. you remember where you go when you need to pee but you don't use a toilet bowl). It's a widely available substance in my country as Tantum Rosa, it's OTC and dirt-cheap so a lot of kids land in hospitals because the experience overwhelmed them. After you realize the worst is over and you don't see any damned hornets, you can't fall asleep, worse than any amphetamine. Also, you didn't mention that benzydamine at these doses cause a lot of PNS effects like increased heart rate (especially noticed and tiresome in "Phase D"). And heart rate doesn't drop in "Phase D", it also adds to anxiety already present.

I base all of this on cases in toxicology department in hospital and my 2 experiences with this when I was a kid myself.

I see nothing bad in this thread as a whole but OP's post/FAQ/trip guide is totally subjective and praises a substance that has to be taken in hundreds times higher doses than normal, this doesn't necessarily mean it must be e.g. fatal but it needs an much more objective approach. And I advise not to take it by any means along with DXM. Benzydamine gives a totally different experience than phenethylamines or tryptamines.

 

[Stradivarius]

how much should i use to get just a stimulation? without the hallucinations and whatnot..

 

[Istanbeko]

not more than 200mg i guess

 

[Where Wolf?]

Interesting thread - have never heard of this stuff before (I'm in England, have lived in Israel and the US). Sounds pretty horrific - Amanita/Datura-ish - but I've noticed some Eastern Europeans and Russians seem to like delieriants, which are generally seen as cheap, nasty, and dangerous in Britain and the States.

Is it just because otc deleriants are OTC? And are Amanitas common in Romania?

Mt grandmother was a Romanian Jew - Transylvania - but had to leave in a hurry during the war, and our family house was subsequently kind of 'nationalised', after the revolution....so I'm curious. Must get to Bucharest some day, and Transylvania...

 

[Istanbeko]

Is it just because otc deleriants are OTC?

I think it is because it is really easy to find and buy OTCs + the guarantee, that it won't be unpure, or better said it won't be unclean like some "streetdrugs" are.




Yesterday I took 150mg of Benzamide pure. It was just a bit relaxing + a minimum level of euphoria. I drank 750ml of Vodka with it, but could not sleep till now... That is really strange...