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Benzo's water solulability and intranasal ROA

Fuzzin

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I thought I would post this thread because I keep reading in soooo many places that using the intranasal route (snorting) any benzo is a waste of time and if it does effect you faster or more intensely then it's either the placebo effect or the drip just making its way to your stomach.

I will start by saying this full blown B.S.! I use clonazepam (klonopin) regularly and have done so for years. When I take them orally, they hit me about an hour and a half later ( the mean Tmax, which is technical talk for the average time to the drugs peak in your body, is always given as around 1.7 hours).

The argument on these boards have always been that because the vast majority of benzos are insoluble in water, it is useless to snort them because they won't dissolve in the sinus and absorb ther, insoluble. I have been both taking K-pins orally and nasally for quite some time now and there is a HUGE difference in effect between the two ROA's.

Snorted, I feel the smooth rush come over me in about 10-15 mins and it is a little more profound than when they kick I'm orally at 1.5 hrs. I have now read more than one medical study that tested just what were talking about here. In one study they compared Tmax values of intranasal clonazepam to buccal And IV ROA's. The Tmax value for intranasal clonazepam was 17.5 minutes compared to 1.7 hrs orally. Further, the Cmax for I.N. clonazepam was much greater than that of the oral dose. Conclusion, regardless of water solubility (I think a drug can absorb through the nasal cavity w/o being water soluble anyway), you will get much more "bang for your buck" snorting klonopin. I felt the need to post this because I everyone I tried to research intranasal Tmax values of benzodiazapines I got the "don't even try it response) do take from it what you will, I found it interesting that you can get kpin to peak in about 15 mins.
 
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yeh

Can you make paragraphs please? Thank you ;)

I have some liquid clonazepam, imo not snortable nor injectable :|
 
I've said it once and i'll say it again.

The water insolubility of benzodiazepines is not the reason they have a lesser effect when insufflated.

Due to their high lipid solubility they can still be absorbed through the epithelial cells in your mucous membrane in your nose. The reason they are ineffective is that the quantity of binder is several hundred mgs compared to active compound which is anywhere from .125 - 30mg depending on which benzo you have.

Due to this large amount of binder your epithelial cells get clogged and the active compound can not come into, or only a very small part can, contact with the cells necessary for absorption.

With that in mind - yes you will feel an effect from snorting benzos but it is much less than the effect from oral or sublingual administration.
 
It's been my experience that Xanax kicks in much faster snorted than oral. Sublingual works good too, a little bit slower.
Tripman said:
The reason they are ineffective is that the quantity of binder is several hundred mgs compared to active compound which is anywhere from .125 - 30mg depending on which benzo you have.

Due to this large amount of binder your epithelial cells get clogged and the active compound can not come into, or only a very small part can, contact with the cells necessary for absorption.

With that in mind - yes you will feel an effect from snorting benzos but it is much less than the effect from oral or sublingual administration.
The binders don't hinder absorption.Often inactives are put in to aid absortion There's a study somewhere that showed that snorting 3% heroin powder(once the average purity) had the same bioavailability as pure and was comparable to IM. And it was common to snort that 3% pure H.

Many are under the impression that when coke was legal it was snorted pure. Nope, most cokeheads snorted catarrh powders, many of which contained only .5 grams per Oz. Of course with the pharmaceutical companies competing with each other, some eventually went to 30%, even straight up pure, towards the end of legal coke.
 
Heroin is water soluble however and is much easier absorbed.

Because benzos are lipid soluble they have to come in complete contact with your epithelial cells to absorb.
 
i can't find it but "Captain Heroin" did a very comprehensive thread on benzo solubility in water... if someone remembers where it is they should post a link

bassically breaks down to the only benzos that can really be dissolved in water and IV'ed are Loprazolam, Midazolam and flurazepam

ah found it
SEE THIS THREAD FOR ALL INFO (by captain heroin)
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/489494-Benzodiazepines-Solubilities-in-Water



Heres are a few other relevant threads if you're interested
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/490479-Loprazolam-Solubility-in-Water?highlight=solubility

another relevant thread

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/402146-Benzodiazepine-Raw-Powder-Solubility?highlight=solubility

another relevant thread

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/350442-Benzdiazepines-water-solubility?highlight=solubility
 
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Fuzzin, ya mean powder, heh?

Hallo people..Fuzzin, one question, please:when you snort the k-pins, you just crashed them in to powder and snort, or you dissolve them in water or smth? I'm really interested, so i would be very greatful for an answer..:)Thanks,

MartinFn
 
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