Benzodiazepines recreational use

[Jamshyd]

I don't know whether it's fair to say 'nothing'. Given two drugs prepared in absolutely (as opposed to proportionally) equal quantities, drug A and drug B, both of which have identical pharmacodynamics but for their potency, where drug A is more potent than B by a factor of X, where X>1 && X<~1000, drug A will possibly or even probably have a greater recreational value than drug B on account of its superior potency - simply because you can get higher or high more times.

And, um, mescaline is taken is much larger doses than LSD, I do believe. Try taking them in exactly equal amounts and see whether you prefer it or like it as much as LSD.

Shibereru, I can honestly say that I have never read a single criticism of yours that ever made sense to me. You seem to criticise for the sake of criticising.

Why on earth would I want to take 100ug of Mescaline when it is found in several grams in nature, while I am sold LSD in a few ugs a time (for example)?

Or 200ug of Heroin (comparison to fentanyl)?

It is not like people are going to sell you Oxycodone in ugs because Carfentanyl is active at that level. No, oxycodone is sold by 10s of mgs.

I am perfectly content with taking a larger numerical amount of dose to experience something better than a smaller numerical amount of dose of something else.

 

[Amberthefrog]

Maybe in combination with other substances? Only tried Valium and found 0 recreational value in it on it's own, when combined with weed though my mind and body went to a very nice place...

 

[ShaolinBomber]

The only reason why some people report euphoria from benzos is because ifyou've never taken them and are a regularly anxious person, the anxyolitic effects of the drug remove the anxiety and this would cause a rebound in mood with increased confidence and social interaction.

 

[helohihello]

Yep shao is correct. I have anxiety problems and I can say without a doubt that Xanax is only a high if you have anxiety problems. Because if I take it when I'm not anxious at all I just get extremely tired and don't want to do anything, it's more stoned feeling but not a nice Cannabis stone, just zonked out crappy stone.

Whereas if I'm anxious and take it I get 'high' (again it's not really a high like from some good Sativa) it just takes away the anxiety and I can feel happier and more social etc. I talk shitloads when I take it lol Basically don't second guess anything I say before I say it. Or rather, when I'm about to say something I won't get anxious about whether someone's going to be like wtf?, I still think it over for a split second but I don't care as much. Which is a good thing. That probably made no sense but meh.

I just took some today in fact. Last day of uni handing in all my work and wasn't anxious at all. The thought doesn't cross my mind and THAT is what makes me feel good, not the benzo per se.

Also apparently more and more Heroin addicts are using Xanax recreationally and according to doctors magazines and such, if injected it provides a 'Heroin like rush'. Which I think is complete bullshit, they probably just made that up off the top of their head. I would never inject it though with all those binders and fillers, I snorted it once and it did fuck all, and then I read the binders and fillers actually destroy your lungs. So injecting would probably not be advisable. Also it's apparently extremely addictive (although I didn't feel any withdrawals whatsoever when I stopped taking them after daily use for a year or more, maybe I'm jsut lucky) but I feel sorry for those Heroin addicts now being addicted to Xanax too, imagine coming off both of them!

Sorry bout that off topic sort of bit, but yeah basically it's not worth it unless you have anxiety or have absolutely NOTHING else to take (I'd rather take CWE Codeine personally. Even only 80mg or something) or you just want to zonk the fuck out and not think about something shitty that's happening in your life for a little bit.

 

[TouchN' Stuff Blvd]

Benzos provide more fuckitall than alcohol. Benzos make one forget more about identity, time, and reason than alcohol.

 

[seep]

The bomber's succinct explanation is accurate. It is indeed pleasurable to be suddenly relieved of all cares and I would surmise that benzodiazepine administration catalyzes some other mechanism that produces pleasure (some species of endorphin maybe). I'd hasten to call this euphoria: it has a different flavor than, say, the euphoria caused by MDMA, cocaine or heroin. It's safe to say, I think, that by themselves benzodiazepines do not engender a pleasurable rush; instead they ameliorate some obstacle to plenary contentment, dolce far niente or the peace that passeth understanding (the Upanishad's "Shantih"), if only for a little while. I admit, tho, that I've never tried parenteral midazolam.

If someone can posit a mechanism that fits, supports or refutes the above, please do.

I disagree that benzodiazepines are superior to alcohol in terms of fuck-it-all-iality. A half liter of 80-proof vodka, consumed over the course of an hour, has been shown to make this writer engage in spontaneous and heroic acts of sexual aggression (consensual!). Benzos have failed to precipitate this behavior, or anything close to it.

 

[dread]

The only reason why some people report euphoria from benzos is because ifyou've never taken them and are a regularly anxious person, the anxyolitic effects of the drug remove the anxiety and this would cause a rebound in mood with increased confidence and social interaction.

Bah, you haven't tried IV midazolam then. It produces an euphoric rush which has nothing to do with alleciating anxiety.

 

[ShaolinBomber]

Bah, you haven't tried IV midazolam then. It produces an euphoric rush which has nothing to do with alleciating anxiety.

IVing ANYTHING is totally different than administering it via orally. IV's go straight to your brain...

 

[dread]

IV's go straight to your brain...

No they don't, they go to blood circulation where they need to pass through the BBB to get into the brain, just like any other route.

But otherwise you are correct, IV administration is different in many cases. Not all though.

Partial credit! :D

 

[ShaolinBomber]

No they don't, they go to blood circulation where they need to pass through the BBB to get into the brain, just like any other route.

But otherwise you are correct, IV administration is different in many cases. Not all though.

Partial credit! :D

the time it takes for the substance to cross the BBB has no bearing with the time it takes for you to feel the substance. The time is a couple seconds AT THE MOST.

 

[Amygdala]

Yep shao is correct. I have anxiety problems and I can say without a doubt that Xanax is only a high if you have anxiety problems. Because if I take it when I'm not anxious at all I just get extremely tired and don't want to do anything, it's more stoned feeling but not a nice Cannabis stone, just zonked out crappy stone.

Whereas if I'm anxious and take it I get 'high' (again it's not really a high like from some good Sativa) it just takes away the anxiety and I can feel happier and more social etc. I talk shitloads when I take it lol Basically don't second guess anything I say before I say it. Or rather, when I'm about to say something I won't get anxious about whether someone's going to be like wtf?, I still think it over for a split second but I don't care as much. Which is a good thing. That probably made no sense but meh.

Yeah, I agree with this. I have social anxiety disorder, but I usually have alcohol when I go out. But when I have to be designated driver, it's time to bring out the Valium (I am not prescribed it) and it's just good not being so anxious and just always worrying about what other people could be thinking. So now going out is actually fun. But it doesn't have an euphoric properties on its own for me. I've tried it at home, thinking it would be like alcohol in a pill (lol!) but it actually made me feel worse, a bit depressed, not really wanting to do anything. Not fun.

 

[dread]

the time it takes for the substance to cross the BBB has no bearing with the time it takes for you to feel the substance. The time is a couple seconds AT THE MOST.

But it just doesn't magically all jump into the brain, it follows the blood circulation first in to the heart, where the hear pumps it to the brain, where part of it gets absorber through the BBB, and the rest stay in the circulation and travels to other parts of the body.

 

[clobster]

This dude at the party just took three 1 mg ativan (lorazepam) 3 mg total and smoked a bowl, I think he drank earlier but definitely isn't still drunk.

Anyway he says its like being the most zoned out he's ever been in his life. He smokes more then taking pills but its crazy the things is writing down, we play music together a lot of the time, he has been prescribed these to deal with post tramatic stress and took three tonight instead of one and is saying its a very mellow feeling, not much until you smoke a bit.

 

[Wizzle]

Can someone please explain the fun in getting high with benzos? I have no personal experience, but I would think that feeling tired and groggy and unable to think clearly or talk clearly would be zero fun. But the way these things get abused today, others seem to think otherwise. Not knocking anyone who uses them, both medically or non-medically. Just wondering.

Do you realize that all downers usually do this? Benzo's are used to treat symptoms that occur in all people to a certain extent, thats why most people like them at least a little bit.

I can imagine you are a little off-put by some of the stories though, caught this one from the erowid link in the second post. Great.

 

[ebola?]

I don't think with the character of present conversation this thread belongs in this subforum. Moving to OD.