Benzodiazepine Differences

[Cface]

As a new user i'm not too certain on whether this question has been answered. I've looked into Wikipedia and of course they don't tell me what i want to know they just generalize.

What i'm interested in is the differences in the Benzodiazepines and what would be great for me. But seeing as how i've never taken any benzo's before, including Xanax or Valium, i look at the expertise on the users of this fine forums board.

So please tell me the differences, if any, in effects (both negative and positive) of the following benzos:

-Lorazepam (Ativan)
-Diazepam (Valium)
-Clonazepam (Klonopin)
-Alprazolam (Xanax)
-Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol) {The famed roofie}
-Bromazepam (Lexotanil or Lexotan)
-Midazolam (Dormicum)
-Clorazepate (Tranxene)
-Buspirone (it may be a non-benzo but it's very similar from what ive heard)

The reason i ask for this information is because i came across a source that sells literally every single type of benzo except for Flunitrazepam for 40-60$ for 100 tabs at the highest dosage i've ever seen (i.e. Ativan 2.5mg, Xanax 2mg, Valium 5mg, etc.).

If you can provide me with any information on any of the benzos with your experience or just damn good old fashion information I'd appreciate it very much.

Thanks again.

 

[MethaContin]

As a new user i'm not too certain on whether this question has been answered. I've looked into Wikipedia and of course they don't tell me what i want to know they just generalize.

What i'm interested in is the differences in the Benzodiazepines and what would be great for me. But seeing as how i've never taken any benzo's before, including Xanax or Valium, i look at the expertise on the users of this fine forums board.

So please tell me the differences, if any, in effects (both negative and positive) of the following benzos:

-Lorazepam (Ativan)
-Diazepam (Valium)
-Clonazepam (Klonopin)
-Alprazolam (Xanax)
-Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol) {The famed roofie}
-Bromazepam (Lexotanil or Lexotan)
-Midazolam (Dormicum)
-Clorazepate (Tranxene)
-Buspirone (it may be a non-benzo but it's very similar from what ive heard)

The reason i ask for this information is because i came across a source that sells literally every single type of benzo except for Flunitrazepam for 40-60$ for 100 tabs at the highest dosage i've ever seen (i.e. Ativan 2.5mg, Xanax 2mg, Valium 5mg, etc.).

If you can provide me with any information on any of the benzos with your experience or just damn good old fashion information I'd appreciate it very much.

Thanks again.

Those Ativan 2.5's are Probably from Overseas (Ive actually had them before they are from Eastern Europe), just like the Bromazepam and the Flunitrazepam.

 

[Dilosets]

There was, until recently, lorazepam 2,5 mg tablets in Sweden, called Temesta (the European trade name for lorazepam).

 

[danieljoaquin]

i dont know much about the other benzos but im fine with xanax given the right dosage. you can start at .5mg and go up to see what suits you.


no sources. please read the forum guidelines. - IForgett

 

[MobiusDick]

There are some significant differences among the triazolo benzodiazepines like alprazolam, triazolam and estazolam. Something else besides omega (aka BDZ) activity IMHO is going on with these drugs but they still get their primary effect much the same way as all of the others. The real difference among benzodiazepines appears to be how quickly they get into the brain. Those that are readily bioavailable po and readily cross the blood brain barrier are the most euphoric like alprazolam and diazepam. Drugs like clorazepate dipotassium are not particularly euphoric and are known for this so they end up being used in drug treatment rather than the more effective and more euphoric drugs.It is not as simple as just lipophilicity though because there may be some active uptake that allows rapid redistribution into the brain. A drug like clonazapam, which has a high volume of distribution, is like the methadone of benzodiazepines because it quickly is redistributed into multicompartments and it comes out of each different compartment at a different rate. This is one reason why terminal half-life is not a good measure of how long the drugs last. But if one were to attempt to detox oneself, clonazapam would be the drug of choice IMO.

The main differences among the benzos has to do with how quickly they get into the brain and their omega1/omega2 selectivity or non-selectivity. Differences in whether a benzo is classified as an anxiolytic or a hypnotic is likely just the matter of dose. 1,5 benzodiazepines like clobazam have subtle differences as well (I am pretty sure that most all of the US benzos are 1,4 benzodiazepines, but 1,5 benzos are readily available overseas and for research purposes.) The only other notable exception is midazolam which reaches the brain extremely quickly such that an iv shot gives a nice rush, but the dose needs to be titrated carefully because the difference between euphoria and falling alseep is a very small amount.

MobiusDick

 

[thedeadlywar]

i dont know much about the other benzos but im fine with xanax given the right dosage. you can start at .5mg and go up to see what suits you.

Since your new, you need to know you can't ask for sources on this board. Not even ask for a pm.

edited quote to remove source. - IForgett

 

[danieljoaquin]

Since your new, you need to know you can't ask for sources on this board. Not even ask for a pm.

sorry for that, and thank you for telling me that....

 

[Slay]

So please tell me the differences, if any, in effects (both negative and positive) of the following benzos:

-Lorazepam (Ativan)
-Diazepam (Valium)
-Clonazepam (Klonopin)
-Alprazolam (Xanax)
-Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol) {The famed roofie}
-Bromazepam (Lexotanil or Lexotan)
-Midazolam (Dormicum)
-Clorazepate (Tranxene)
-Buspirone

imo the most potent benzos here is flunitrazepam and midazolam. i have limited experience with iv midazolam but i did oral midazolam - theres a oral midazolam syrup here where i live, its for children who scares from surgeries anyway. flunitrazepam is my fav benzo so far, long acting and very potent hypnotic benzo. also clonazepam is kickass benzo imo, both with buzz and long acting effects. alprazolam is kickass benzo too - in fact most people here will tell you that it has equal potancy with clonazepam but imo clonazepam is much more enjoyable but you know everyone is different.

alprazolam also isnt long acting like clonazepam, you sober up so quickly while doing alprazolam compare to clonazepam. lorazepam is a benzo which some people really like but personally never catch a nice buzz from lorazepams. nice anxiolytic but cant enjoyable like clonazepam or flunitrazepam or midazolam. diazepam is a classic and one of the most enjoyable benzos on the market imo although its not that potent like clonazepam or other potent benzos.

clorazepate is one of the weakest benzos i ever did imo. nothing special with this poor friend lol. buspirone is nothing but only crap. no recreational at all. i have very poor experiences with bromazepam (its illegal here where i live) i think someone who have enough info about this benzo will post something more useful

 

[robatussin]

I know at least the region your source is from. Can't say exactly which one though (as there are a lot from said region). I just had a 2.5 mg ativan new years eve. BTW they make 10mg valium and it is very common. There is only one way to know what suits you best (i say stick to one of the better known ones)

 

[johanneschimpo]

why not tell everyone what you want the benzo for?
that would be easier than people explaining EVERY benzo and its effects

 

[Infusion]

You're touching a pretty subjective area, though in my subjective opinion you're wasting your time since the foreign pills that you are "possibly" talking about are not as good as domestic American pressed pfizer ones. It's worth the extra buck to go non-generic and go for the biggest brands you can.

A lot of people will disagree with my subjective opinion here too, by the way.

 

[sixpartseven]

This thread has the potential for being borderline against guidelines.

Be absolutley sure to not even come close to mentioning sources or asking for sources. Im going to leave it open, but as soon as any sourcing pops up, its over. Thats all. Play nice.

 

[Cface]

Thanks for the info MobiusDick and Slay.

And as for what johnneschimpo was saying.. I'm looking for a benzo that has med-high potential for addiction, very pleasant and enjoyable euphoria, and long-lasting effects (But also i would like one that is not very addictive, short-lasting but still as pleasant). The two extremes are what i am looking for. It might be noteworthy that i'm not looking for a benzo that will make you fall asleep (as i've experienced with Tamazepam).

And to what Infusion said:
According to what i've read in the past, the difference between generic and brand name are completely non-existant. Of course offshore pills aren't regulated by the FDA but on normal circumstances the generic brand, by law, has to be chemically the same and the dosage has to be the same as its brand name counterpart. I've found this to be true with Vicodin and gen. Hydrocodon/APAP 10/500MG (imprint: M363).

I am especially curious to know of the positive and negative effects Lorazepam has on the mind, the reason being because i've heard of its high potential for dependance.

IForgett, i will be sure to keep in mind what you've said about disclosing any relevant information on my source. My lips are sealed.

 

[Slay]

But if one were to attempt to detox oneself, clonazapam would be the drug of choice IMO.

according to ashton manual, clonazepam isnt the right drug to taper benzos. professor ashton mention in the book that when tapering benzos, the ideal benzo is diazepam which has very long active metabolites like nordazepam (approx 200 hours). diazepam is much more long acting than clonazepam and its not addictive and potent like clonazepam too. its not a good idea to taper the benzos with clonazepam at all.

 

[caizar]

what about BROMAZEPAM and NITRAZEPAM ,Ive got green coloured 6mg bromaz'e and big 5mg nitrazepam and much smaller ones,Do any of you guys like these 2?

 

[LivingOnValium]

There was, until recently, lorazepam 2,5 mg tablets in Sweden, called Temesta (the European trade name for lorazepam).

Same in Finland. They were made by Wyeth i think?

 

[Dilosets]

That's right. Now it's only Temesta 1mg tablets left.

 

[caizar]

anyone answer my post above ^^^

 

[Cface]

anyone answer my post above ^^^

I've never taken Bromazepam or Nitrazepam, so my opinon on the two doesn't matter

What harm to the brain/body do benzo's cause?

 

[Ham-milton]

And as for what johnneschimpo was saying.. I'm looking for a benzo that has med-high potential for addiction, very pleasant and enjoyable euphoria, and long-lasting effects (But also i would like one that is not very addictive, short-lasting but still as pleasant). The two extremes are what i am looking for. It might be noteworthy that i'm not looking for a benzo that will make you fall asleep (as i've experienced with Tamazepam).

Most benzos don't have a high potential for addiction, and if you're looking for a benzo that's highly addictive, I don't think you have any idea what it will be like to withdrawal. It's not pretty.

You're also backwards about addiction potential. Longer lasting = less addictive. Same with barbs.

If you want a sedative that's really fun, you should try SOMA (Carisoprodol). They kick in fast- 20 minutes, peak quick at 50-70minutes. They don't have the same potential for black outs, they have a great body-high (not present in benzos), they don't leave you with a hang over, man... they're so freaking fun. I haven't had any in 2 or 3 months now.. but damn. I could go for some.

I went through a bottle of 300x 175/350mg (that's carisoprodol : APAP) in 2.5 months.

My favorite day on them was at trial (not mine!). I ate 6, followed 3 hours later by 3 more, and I had the time of my life. Walking around, talking to people, just sitting down... I think that's what makes drugs so addicting- the reminiscing.