Benzo for Benzo users with high tolerance

[mgrady3]

To me it just sounds like tolerance is your issue, if not that then there's some other underlying problem that you need to have a doc or psych evaluate. Your benzo tolerance is only going to go up and up so maybe its time to consider alternatives?

There's no magic pill, or magic benzo that no one's told you about, all hypnotic/sedative medecine is going to leave you with some kind of adverse effects in the morning. if you've tried valium, clonazepam, temazepam, nitrazepam, and are still having issues then i'd say its time to talkt oa doctor about whats not working rather than just going down the seemingly endless list of benzos looking for one to knock you out..

 

[Allein]

Phenazepam. <--- Shits the strongest benzo hands down.

The OP wants to sleep not black out for a week, Phenaz is bad news and best kept well clear of IMO

 

[Supeudol]

The OP wants to sleep not black out for a week, Phenaz is bad news and best kept well clear of IMO

Benzodiazepines are bad news, period. After using Benzo's for over 8 years, and the last few years at EXTREMELY high dosages, and then the physical withdrawals from Benzo's are on-going and non stop, and most people including myself that were heavy benzo users take months to a few years to heal 100%. Benzodiazepines are the worst drug to withdraw from hands down. They totally fuck with your CNS big time.

Anyways, to the OP, if you want to sleep and with a tolerance like you have, I would use a strong benzo such as Bromazepam, or actually Flurazepam.

 

[Bluewave]

There's no miracle drug, especially if you already tried clonazepam. The 2mg tabs under the tongue are the strongest benzo I can think of.

That is actually the moment I was 100% sure my prescription was having no effect on me anymore. I was having trouble sleeping so I let two additional clonazepam pills dissolve under tongue. I decided to keep putting 2mg under my tongue, let it melt, wait 15 minutes, and repeat to see when I'd actually get sleepy. Sure I took 12-15 2mg pills and was up the whole night and perfectly sober the next day :/

Never mentioned this to my doctor just said that I didn't think it was working any more.

PS. Some effect was always noticed when increasing dose or taking extra until dose was increased to 4mg/day for a year. Perhaps around 3-4mg of clonazepam a day is the point where your GABA receptors are down regulated such that further doses are pointless.

 

[mgrady3]

Anyways, to the OP, if you want to sleep and with a tolerance like you have, I would use a strong benzo such as Bromazepam, or actually Flurazepam.

Wouldn't Flurazepam's long half-life make it unsuitable to use for sedation. Not saying it wouldn't sedate you, indeed it would, but rather that the next day you'd have a hell of a time dragging your ass to work...

 

[Supeudol]

Wouldn't Flurazepam's long half-life make it unsuitable to use for sedation. Not saying it wouldn't sedate you, indeed it would, but rather that the next day you'd have a hell of a time dragging your ass to work...

Not for someone with a high tolerance to Benzo's. Flurazepam was a benzodiazepine originally indicated for Insomnia and prescribed for that.

 

[Addyman]

Takes minimum 4mg Clonazepam to get me some Anxiolytic effects

Alprazolam is more of a "happy" pill instead of anxiolytic for me

Lorazepam... forget it

I can take 10-20mg Clonazepam without drowsiness, though.
I just get very reckless



Taking 4mg Clonazepam is enough to basically cure my insomnia if I want to go to bed at a certain time.
It doesn't make me drowsy though, it's like it gives me the option if I want to sleep or not.

and I suspect I have DSPS (I'm going to a sleep clinic soon enough to see if I do, in fact, have DSPS)

The only other thing that works as a hypnotic (9mg Lunesta didn't do shit)
is 5-10mg Zolpidem (and it diminishes ALL anxiety for me... most potent anxiolytic for me... I'm odd)

 

[debaser]

Swallow your clonaz, don't put it under your tongue. And bromaz is shite.

 

[cashmunny]

You know maybe more stronger benzos isn't the answer. How about hydroxyzine-mirtazapine-doxepin. An antihitamine, an atypical antidepressant, and a tricyclic antidepressant. I've taken each one individually and they re like elephant tranquilizers. Throw in a pot brownie and you are toast.

On the other hand there are completely unrelated medications that taken with a benzo will interfere with liver clearance rates with the effect of elevating blood levels. Might be helpful if your habit is getting pricey. Very dangerous though.

 

[Supeudol]

Swallow your clonaz, don't put it under your tongue. And bromaz is shite.

Bromazepam isn't shit, its one of the Strongest Benzodiazepines out there. Just because you said it makes you feel 'depressed'.. doesn't mean its shit. Bromazepam blows Alprazolam & Diazepam out of the water, bar NONE!

 

[debaser]

It's not one of the strongest benzos out there. 5/6mg bromaz = 10mg diazepam. Triazolam, flunitrazepam, clonazepam are the strongest benzos out there.

And it's not because I felt "depressed", depressive or "depressurized" or whatever. It's facts.

 

[Supeudol]

It's not one of the strongest benzos out there. 5/6mg bromaz = 10mg diazepam. Triazolam, flunitrazepam, clonazepam are the strongest benzos out there.

And it's not because I felt "depressed", depressive or "depressurized" or whatever. It's facts.

Triazolam, and Clonazepam are not some of the strongest benzo's out there. Flunitrazepam is one of the Strongest. And yes, Bromazepam is also one of strongest.

Triazolam only has a Bioavailability of 44% Orally, and has an extremely short half life. You have no facts behind those theories to back your statement up.

Also Flunitrazepam, 1mg = 10mg Diazepam ..

So the Benzodiazepine Equivalency Charts mean nothing. Your theory saying that 5/6mg Bromazepam = 10mg Diazepam is the same as me stating that 1mg of Flunitrazepam = 10mg Diazepam - whats your point?

Bromazepam is one of the strongest benzodiazepines because it has all five characteristics .. It has anxiolytic, hypnotic, sedative, skeletal muscle relaxant, and anticonvulsant properties to it.

What 'facts' have you shared? None.

 

[debaser]

Oh whatever. You're right and I'm wrong. Case closed.

 

[effie]

Okay, I think this thread has gone on long enough. It's a resurrection of an old thread, and we don't usually have threads this long in BDD (see "state of BDD" sticky) but I left this one as I thought it had educational value; however, I'm not going to leave open a thread that is turning into an argument.

Supeudol, I'm not sure if I understand your definition of "strong". If you mean potency, then the benzo conversion chart is meaningful. It takes into account oral bioavailability too, and having a short half life doesn't make something "not strong". Defining strong as "possessing all 5 characteristics" of benzodiazepines isn't something I have come across before.

I'm not saying you're wrong, just that there has been some crossed wires with terminology here I think, and that's what is causing the argument.

Either way this is a resurrection of an old thread and is just a subjective discussion which could go on forever - if anyone has any queries about why I am closing this, please take a look at the BDD guidelines, then shoot me a pm if you still have a query.

Closed.