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Benzo Discussion Vol. 2

Aye i can remember fuck all of the last few days, just bits and bobs, etiz is pretty amnesic. Cheers for the link, interesting read, yeah i've been waking up panicked and unable to move once or twice. I think the dreams woulda been more vividly confusing if i wernt locked in a madhouse, even so when its happened its taken 5-10 mins to get my head together.

Ahhh why did they havee take me off diaz, i was happy on that haha. Hope this makes sense, bloody mxe
 
When they likely to let you out CK ? I know it took them 3 days to do the fekin paperwork from the decision to actually being let out of the door
 
Dunno found me aa house in a shithole s i was gonna go move to tomorrow but thats fallen through. and i i dont get owt tody or tomoz im stuck over xmas :(. Inormal now though :). On topic; got woken up by securiy at 7am cause i crashed out on some floor out the way at 3 didnt have a clue where i was for 5 mins when woken befre it came flooding back hah
 
^ Watch yourself man, that post screams too much etizolam for you my friend! Don't want them thinking your back at the drugs!
 
Just got some Blue DAZ and Blue Dalium brand "Diaz" from PK, the last DAZ brand ones I had were white and OK. I'm not sure about either of these ones.

You don't get that sweet taste and then the aftertaste of Diaz, although they obviously have an active Benzo in them, I had some Roche a good while back that were similar. Haven't had a chance to give them a proper test run but does anyone have any idea what they are putting in them over there in PK, is it just low dose Diaz or are they using another Benzo??
 
Fuck knows, I've had a few types of "roche" recently that were either inactive, or barely acive...

some of the better looking blisters were active, but very low dose, and also took a long time to slowly work, good diaz starts to feel in about 15-20 mins for me, I know they were some type of benzo, but god nows what, and at what dose....

buying benzos seems to be getting more and more hit and miss
 
Tomorrow now I've done a couple of testers I'll do a bigger dose in the one shot as per my normal routine, I'll have a better idea then as to how active they are. but I'm betting on these being another Benzo rather than low dose
 
anyone know which out of xanax and zopiclone will create bigger problems with getting back to sleep without them, but with weed, if used for, say, a week in a row?

i bravely thought i'd have a go at this natural sleep business as my rents. had slept awfully on thurs and had a busy day fri, so though i should be able to sleep on just a few drinks, but alas, no. so i took an etizolam, didn't help, somehow at half 4 with a 2mg (i know! guess i was close to conking out by then anyway) diaz i got to sleep. miscalculating how fucked my natural sleep is has left me in a bit of a predicament.

iirc, shorterhalflife= quicker tolerance, so xanax would be better than zopi? i just hope they're enough.... given the etiz wasn't. grr. i'm gonna have to fucking trek back to leeds to get benzos. so much for good intentions. i only have a couple of the 2mg diaz and i'd prefer to keep my legally obtained benzos for trips abroad but am prepared to resort to those too. but i don't wanna get back to leeds to discover i know can't get to sleep without benzos regardless of how much weed i smoke.

grr and since i brought so few, no recreational benzos for me this christmas. was looking forward to them too! so fecked off that my attempt to get back to natural sleep looks like its gonna result in less natural sleep.
 
Zopis more hypnotic but has less rebound effects imo/ime. Though i will probably be standing corrected
 
I cant get on with Zopiclone or Zolpidem, they wrok a bit for maybe a week at best, I fall to sleep for maybe 3 hours then I can't sleep anymore. rather than lay awake until 4am then fall to sleep and have to get up at 7 anyway...whats the point in that.

Zolpidem recreationaly has a little bit of value, snorting crshed pills provided much needed entertainment whilst I was in car and also whilst off work but tolernace soon cuaght up with that one and I found the WDs a bitch.

I've only tried a few benzos and Diaz is still the best for me, its a trusty all rounder but I do have a tiny it of tolernace;)

@chinup are you saying you usually use weed to get to sleep ? probably me being stupid but it's not clear to me in your post. If so I'd recommend alcohol, I had a 15 year heavy hash habit but my work involved short trips onto mainland Europe, I always replaced thre hash with booze and wass fine sleep wise.
I gave up smoking 10 years ago, and it took me a good 6-7 years to build up a serious issue with alcohol !!!! been dry since July so I'm taxi driver for Xmas:)
 
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Loving benzos lately, going to pickup more valium soon but had some yesterday and tonight i'll be on xanax, goes great with a few beers!
 
^^^

I'm sure I don't need to warn you but dont take benzos to many days in a row or you'll end up with WDs at best at worst you'll still be taking them this time next year;)
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
, why do opiate and benzo addicts need such a variety of drugs in their daily schedule..
Explain the need for poly drug use to treat what might be described as a single drug (or perhaps single drug group) addiction.
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I'm guessing its partly to do with rotating through different substances try to keep tolerance to each one down ? Anyone, please correct me if im wrong..

I'm trying to get hold of some pregabalin at the moment and then am planning to try to taper off etizolam for a month or 2 using pregabalin to hopefully keep any rebound anxiety from etizolam withdrawl from getting too bad. Then hopefully after a month or two my etizolam tolerance will have come down, and i can go back onto it for a couple of months, whilst having a break from pregabalin so tolerance to that can come down....and then keep repeating the cycle...

Yes i am a benzo newbie, dont really know if this plan will work or not. I do know that i love etizolam, and am still deriving great anxiolytic benefits from them about 4 months down the line of daily use at therapeutic doses. Enjoying life so much more since discovering etizolam...I think my brain chemistry is fucked but etizolam fixes it perfectly.
 
I can't co,ment on Etizolam as technically I dont belive its actaully a benzo. If you want taper off a benzo then IMO its Diaz evertime, the long half life makes life much easier.

May someone over in BDD or ADD could tell you if Etizolam has the same effect on you Gabba receptors as a normal Benzo and so you could use Diaz to taper.
 
^^^^Thanks.

You're right, technically it isnt a benzo, although in practice doesnt it work in much the same way, and have the same sort of effects as all the other benzos ?

(Wikipedia - Etizolam acts as a full agonist at the benzodiazepine receptor to produce its range of therapeutic as well as adverse effects....Etizolam has an anxiolytic action about 6 times greater than that of diazepam.)

I'll start asking around in the other sections nearer the time i feel ready to start tapering/switching...
 
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atm23 said:
@chinup are you saying you usually use weed to get to sleep ? probably me being stupid but it's not clear to me in your post. If so I'd recommend alcohol, I had a 15 year heavy hash habit but my work involved short trips onto mainland Europe, I always replaced thre hash with booze and wass fine sleep wise.
I gave up smoking 10 years ago, and it took me a good 6-7 years to build up a serious issue with alcohol !!!! been dry since July so I'm taxi driver for Xmas:)
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you're exactly right re weed. and its been that way for a decade. and thats my disapppointment, i thought last night a bit of alcohol would do the trick, it didn't. unfortunately, and i've only very recently admitted this to myself, i have built up a dependency on alcohol on top of my weed dependency.

i am going to try again tonight. i am so drunk now its fucking ridicuous. this post is the result of hard work not sobriety. my relationship with benzos is already not good, i.e. i haven't not owned them for the past 4+ years, but i need to sleep over christmas, i can't bring the fuckin ridiculous shite i've done to myself on my family, which is what would happen if i took nothing, cos i just wouldn't sleep.


fucking hell anyone reading this without these issues. i am not a drug addict. i'm an upstanding member of society supposedly, don't do this to yourself. it will never be worth it for the extra few hours you spend awake at night. fucking hell i'm a hypocritical bitch saying that but just don't do it.

still not sure which i'll take if in several hours i'm stlll awake. it shouldn't be like this. i've fucking ruined one of the only unadulterated pleasures in life, rest. will prob be xanax, am taken in by the 'don't take zopiclone within 7 hours of wanting to be a functional human being' thing, though not sure how relevant that is from my perspective, i thought functional people could sleep.
 
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atm23 said:
I can't co,ment on Etizolam as technically I dont belive its actaully a benzo. If you want taper off a benzo then IMO its Diaz evertime, the long half life makes life much easier.

May someone over in BDD or ADD could tell you if Etizolam has the same effect on you Gabba receptors as a normal Benzo and so you could use Diaz to taper.
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Etizolam is a benzodiazepine analogue in the Thienodiazepine class. I think from memory there is a thiophene ring instead of one of the benzenes. Benzodiazepine withdrawal disorder is apparent in continued usage of Etizolam.

It acts the same as most benzodiazepines in that it binds unselectively to the benzo receptors.


Swing by BDD when you are onto your taper, or drop me a PM and I'd be happy to help.
 
chinup said:
you're exactly right re weed. and its been that way for a decade. and thats my disapppointment, i thought last night a bit of alcohol would do the trick, it didn't. unfortunately, and i've only very recently admitted this to myself, i have built up a dependency on alcohol on top of my weed dependency.

i am going to try again tonight. i am so drunk now its fucking ridicuous. this post is the result of hard work not sobriety. my relationship with benzos is already not good, i.e. i haven't not owned them for the past 4+ years, but i need to sleep over christmas, i can't bring the fuckin ridiculous shite i've done to myself on my family, which is what would happen if i took nothing, cos i just wouldn't sleep.


fucking hell anyone reading this without these issues. i am not a drug addict. i'm an upstanding member of society supposedly, don't do this to yourself. it will never be worth it for the extra few hours you spend awake at night. fucking hell i'm a hypocritical bitch saying that but just don't do it.

still not sure which i'll take if in several hours i'm stlll awake. it shouldn't be like this. i've fucking ruined one of the only unadulterated pleasures in life, rest. will prob be xanax, am taken in by the 'don't take zopiclone within 7 hours of wanting to be a functional human being' thing, though not sure how relevant that is from my perspective, i thought functional people could sleep.
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Zopiclone is a dreadful sleeping aid. Not to mention the horrendous taste it leaves in your mouth.

Xanax is fairy sedative, depending on tolerance I guess, it isn't as good as some of the hypnotic class, but it puts you in the right frame of mind for sleep.
 
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