Benzo Discussion v4

[ColtDan]

By the way, you can dissolve benzo powder in propylene glycol and squirt it up your arse, but I really don't recommend, for me it was immediate blackout followed by being woken up in a pool of vomit and piss. That was 4mg etizolam, obviously I'd gone on to take more but I have absolutely no memory of doing anything other than squirting the first 4mg.

Closed as requested.

MM edit>>>> merged into benzo discussion, I'm bored, looking for something to do.

woah thats fucking crazy, how long were you blacked out for?

 

[backroll]

OK guys got a new press etizolam to discuss! They are from a relatively new vendor and came very professionally packaged. The tablet themselves are a very pale blue (baby blue?) with white speckles. They are practically tasteless and having held one under my tongue for a few minutes I can confirm that they defo contain some etizolam...yay! The pills are the same shape as most pyrazolam I have encountered, and are an extremely professional, hard pressed, beveled and scored pellet. They so far seem legit!

I have also in my possession some 5mg flubromazpeam which are the same as the etizolam yet white and have a slightly bitter / sweet taste. Will let you know how these get on (I just took two) after I get back from work...which should be a hell of a lot more enjoyable than it has been recently!

Ahhh, it's so nice to have benzos in again : ) I bloody need them though with my heinously low dose of subutex i'm currently on! And yes...News flash! A care free warm glow has just entered my mind, body and sould so I can definitely confirm the etizolam are legit:D

@Knock...what are you thoughts on flubromazepam? And what doses do you play with?

 

[knock]

@Knock...what are you thoughts on flubromazepam? And what doses do you play with?

I've only dosed about 4mg a couple of times so far and I found it nice, don't really want to comment too much on the effects until I try higher doses but it seemed nice enough.

edit: about 18:00 - I've had about 8.5mg a few minute ago so will post my thoughts on it later.

edit2: 19:50, 2 hours in, I'm feeling nice and light and breezy but not much else. Going to gub another 4 mg.

edit3: 01:33 I feel benzoed, I've had a couple of glasses of wine too. It's nice! I've had the energy to do some ranting in modthread (not about members I hasten to add, more ranting about life and how I feel it should be lived... quiet happy to copy/paste my drivelings so you can all read it some time!

Don't feel out of control, feel like I could be going to bed to watch Daria and I will, and get up at a reasonable hour to carry on with ticking things off my task list. Ah, so I will. Gots much to do!

although another glug of wine might send me over the edge, in a good and sensible way

Nightnight!

edit: just before checking out now -
I've had 12mg flubromazepam
and maybe three glasses of red wine
and I'm feeling pretty nice

I don't feel out of control

The benzo lightness is in full effect

If I was to do anything exceptionally complicated, I can quite imagine fucking it up / falling over / etc.

However I have all my marbles in place so it's not going to happen!

So, it's a decent benzo moodlift, lightening, edge-softening, feel like I could have fun

But I don't feel like I've lost my presence of mind, my inhibitions are probably lowered but I don't feel like I need to go and demonstrate just how low they are!

I also feel mentally alert, on-the-ball and capable of making good decisions.

My Typing is all over the place but I have the ability and motivation to fix my mistakes! If you'd seen the editing that went into this....

It's pretty fucking solid at this dose yet there is no danger of me doing anything stupid. All I'm going to do now is settle down in bed with a glass of wine, Daria, and my tablet to muck about with.

Good shit I reckon, on all these grounds! So much safer and more enjoyable than etizolam.



See you tomorrow EADD!

 

[knock]

If you're going to start dosing flubromazepam, do it at about 7am if you don't want a very, very, long lie in.

 

[brimz]

This is a new one . flubromazepam

My area of Expertise is Benzos & long term use . So i'll treat this like another RC along with Etiz & Phenaz .

I don't go there basically .

 

[knock]

backroll is a fan and I think he is well experienced with benzos.

bromazepam is a traditional benzo, this is that with a flu prefix

 

[brimz]

Yeah understand just saying that i have extensive knowledge of all Scripted Benzos but these aren't my area . I've had every scripted Benzo in the UK in most compounds as well & not many if any of you can say that

 

[knock]

not doubting you are the benzo queen brimz

 

[Treacle]

lol! I'm not, wikipedia says it makes you feel dizzy. But then I saw some posts on BL where someone said it was quite good.

But...

I still think a walk in the highlands would be more fun.

I've been on pregabalin for 2-3 years. I was bumped up to 450mg a day, but I only take one dose of 150mg now (two, if I want to avoid a hangover). It boosts all benzos, opiates, phenibut/possibly G, and alcohol. It gets weird and trippy at anything above 450mg, in my case. It converts glutamate (excitatory neurotransmitter) into GABA, so you can see how it works for pain and anxiety. It absolutely does work, which is why I didn't really mind gaining five stones in weight. Yeah, watch out for that, because it's FAR worse than mirtazapine, other anti-depressants and antipsychotics, in my opinion. Luckily, I've managed to lose a lot of the weight, but it meant cutting down the dose and watching what I eat. Still, it does the job. I don't use it recreationally, as it's not really any good. It was amusing walking into walks, at first. As a booster, it's alright. Like a low dose of benzos.

 

[Dr_Robotnik]

well to cut a long story short i ate 150mjs earlier today. Had some bad news about my course work completely lost the plot with everyone boarderline sectioning material. what I really came on to say though is that msj's are nowhere near 10mg as i am now nearly recovered I think lol.

aslo had some oxy 20 nhs ones and activis valium at the weekend. you could say with booze that experiance also ended in disaster.

/benzos

 

[MDB2]

IT's my drug buddy. Ive recently discovered something i wasnt aware of before, that if you binge heavily on etiz (not a good idea in itself) then the next day your physical balance is completely fucked. I nean not safe to move fucked.

One day i got out of my car did took half a step. did a neat little semi circle and went hurtling across the gravel of ther car park. Some old boy thought i was drunk "i'll be watching you......"

Second time i didnt venture outside, but thats even more dangerous. Had about ten falls, most of the kjust caused bruises One fall however i fell backwards and cracked the back of my head on my glass tv stand very hard indeed. Them little birdies were tweeting for quite a while. At least i didnt knock the tv over. I must have put all the stand shit together better than i thought.

just a heads up for any1 who may not have known about this.

AND BEFORE I GET ANY SMART ALEC COMMENYTS LIKE ON OD THAT I WAS A MORON FOR NOT EXPECTING THIS , IT DIDN'T HAPPEN ON THE DAY I TOOK THE DRUGS, I WAS FINE THEN, IT HIT ME 24 HRS LATER WHICH WAS TOTALLY UNEXPECTED. I thought it was a valid HR message, but all he he had for a response was to call me a stupid moron or something. He has the honour of being the first person ive ever blocked on here(Mind you i seem to do vey well for avoiding mean shits on eadd there arent really any here i guess), ive probably tempted fate now. I just put them straight on ignore anyway (ignoramuses). I dont come on the internet to fight. Whats the point in that ?

ANYWAY.

Another thing tio add - if you dont take benzos, quitting smoking is easy. But benzos and cigs are very deeply intermeshed for me.

Went till 3pm had my first benzo, was staggering around like it was my first ever. Just had to have cigs then though. Gonna see my DW and work out a way of quitting these things. I couldnt quit bwnzos without cigs, and i couldnt quit qigs wirthout benzos. My DW and I will find a solution though. Dont suspect this one will be the walk in the park that coming off opies was for me.

3 days clear of opis, and all im feeling is the absence of the very low level (whats the word ? uplift/boost/mellowness/) you'll nnow what i mean but that has gone. Have to wait a few weeks for my endorphins to emerge from their slumber now. Wake up you BASTARDS. wHAT ARE GOOD TRICKS FOR THAT ANY1 KNOW ?

sorry been very rambling, as i say this 3,4ctmp is dynamite for thinking/writing type tasks. Enhances music very well too. Maybe i should point out it also bought out the most virtiolic fit if rage ive ever had in my life too. It may have been the ying and yang - also restoriing my brains equilibrium - who knows. I need a control version of myself to test all this.

 

[SpecialK_]

2 mg clonaz, yum

 

[Mugz]

Since I've lost my measuring syringe for the phenazepam I have a feeling I've been taking a bit more than usual, I pour it out of the 500ml bottle into a 95ml old Listerine mouthwash bottle, and have just been sipping gently from that. 95ml is 190mg of phenazepam and the level of the bottle seems to be going down a bit faster than if I'd only been taking 4mg phenaz a day, I'm gonna get a syringe tomorrow and measure how much is left in my 95ml bottle so I can see the avg daily use since I last transferred into the Listerine bottle.

 

[effie]

^ Jesus mugz be careful, phenazepam is not something to "sip" at, how long have you been a member here?? Sometimes I wonder if we're actually spreading any HR info or not

Also.. I don't like to pry but how long have you been using it daily? Are you still on a diaz script from your doctor? I do worry about you, you know, long-term benzo use can exacerbate depression and low mood as well as causing dependence (obviously...)

MDB2: benzos (and etizolam) have muscle relaxant properties but different ones have different degrees; perhaps etizolam has particularly marked effects.. I've been caught out by benzos from the night before causing unexpected problems the next day (amnesia for me ) so it's definitely something to bear in mind, especially one with longer half-lives of course.

 

[Mugz]

^ Jesus mugz be careful, phenazepam is not something to "sip" at, how long have you been a member here?? Sometimes I wonder if we're actually spreading any HR info or not

Also.. I don't like to pry but how long have you been using it daily? Are you still on a diaz script from your doctor? I do worry about you, you know, long-term benzo use can exacerbate depression and low mood as well as causing dependence (obviously...)

MDB2: benzos (and etizolam) have muscle relaxant properties but different ones have different degrees; perhaps etizolam has particularly marked effects.. I've been caught out by benzos from the night before causing unexpected problems the next day (amnesia for me ) so it's definitely something to bear in mind, especially one with longer half-lives of course.

I thought I'd diluted it pretty well and a tiny sip would be no more than 2ml, it's 500% better than dabbing at a bag of etiz like I used to, or a bag of phenaz. My doctor wont prescribe me any benzos so it's just the phenazepam for me. I know all about long term benzo use exacerbating depression, I've been a long term benzo user for 9 years. Anyway, shall find out how much I've really been taking daily, from the looks of the bottle it is nearer 10mg which is a lot, and with the halflife can probably be taken every other day instead of daily. It will all be sorted once and for all soon though at the detox/rehab centre when I get shoved on a fast Librium taper, the first benzo of them all.

 

[brimz]

Have no idea what 10mg of Phenaz is equivalent to as i have never & will never use it . It does sound like a lot though . I wonder if the Detox place you are going to have ever detoxed someone on this Long Acting Benzo .

My guess is they haven't . I may be wrong . A fast Librium taper sounds nasty , but if that's what you have to do then good luck .

 

[Mugz]

it's equivalent to 100mg diazepam brimz, but I certainly don't feel like I am on 100mg diazepam a day or anything near that so maybe my eyes are fooling me and I am taking around 4mg which is equal to about 40mg diazepam a day.

 

[SpecialK_]

Anyone else take Clonaz? My old valium guy has just switched to these completely, heard he was on a big BIG diaz habit or something and is now down to 15 clonaz too but I've no awareness of how all tolerances work with benzos so unsure if that's true but wouldnt put it past him.

Anyway, had 2mg last night and had another 2mg today. I halved yesterday as had shit to do this morning that needed thinking so couldnt be fucked. Hoping a bit of yesterdays dose will bump this 2mg up. No idea even for dosing with this stuff if anyones experience?

Also I find it doesn't have as good anti depressant effects as valium, but still okay - not 100% decided yet. Going to be using these for comedowns, particular days were im feeling extremely low or for psychedelic freak outs. Bit worried though as mate of mine has been caining these and always ends up taking 2, writing on a bit of paper not to take any more, and wakes up a day or two later having eaten 25 and has had a fight with everyone. We've been calling them Clonazarages!

Sort've tempted by these Etizolams/Phenazepams - what's the best out of those two? Cause they'd be a much cheaper option. Something a bit more short lived would be good as I've a tendency to feel I'm not as fucked as I am a day or two later and doing silly things. Glad I've no online banking atm have a wee blooped out shop.

 

[Mugz]

If you are going to choose between etizolam and phenazepam go for etizolam, and if you don't wanna bother with diluting a solution then go for etizolam pills even though they are more expensive than the powder, not sure what they cost compared to your clonazes. All benzos can make someone go off in a rage though, paradoxical effects and all that.

I think I made a mistake going for the phenazepam because it was about 10x cheaper than etizolam powder and is active at the same mg dose but has such a long half life. It seems that I have been using much more than I thought I had been too. I have measured around 500mg left out of the gram I bought and I only bought that gram on the 7th of Jan so must have arrived on the 9th of 10th and half of it has gone already, that's about 40 days and 500mg so an average dose of around 12.5mg phenaz a day, sounds pretty scary now, especially considering I don't feel hardly benzoed at all and also I haven't had any comments from others about being overly benzoed.

 

[Shambles]

Have no idea what 10mg of Phenaz is equivalent to as i have never & will never use it . It does sound like a lot though . I wonder if the Detox place you are going to have ever detoxed someone on this Long Acting Benzo .

My guess is they haven't . I may be wrong . A fast Librium taper sounds nasty , but if that's what you have to do then good luck .

This.

How long is the detox, Mugz? Gonna take at least a couple weeks just to get the phenaz out your system so don't like the sound of a fast Librium taper. Especially not off the kinda doses it seem like you've been taking. Have you discussed what your specific situation is with your drug workers? Do they actually know what phenazepam is?

Anyone else take Clonaz?

Not often but is one of me fave benzos when available. Much prefer it to diaz or nitraz which is probably what I'd compare it to. I really like 'em. Wish they were more commonly prescribed over here.