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Benzo Discussion v4

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th3 s1aught3r said:
How does Clonazepam compare to Diaz ?
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Clonazepam comes on much slower; I can feel discernible effects from diazepam at 30 minutes and peak levels around 60. With clonazepam I feel threshold effects at 30 minutes, noticeable relief around 60 and peak effects after 120 minutes. Clonazepam is more anxiolytic, less sedative, and has a much longer duration (diazepam has long-lasting residual effects but peak effects around 6 hours for me).

I prefer clonazepam for both therapeutic and recreational use, except for getting to sleep.
 
I dont take Diaz very often, maybe twice a week at 10mg, if that. Do ye think tolerence would build up and how long would that take ?
 
Psychonauticunt said:
Clonazepam comes on much slower; I can feel discernible effects from diazepam at 30 minutes and peak levels around 60. With clonazepam I feel threshold effects at 30 minutes, noticeable relief around 60 and peak effects after 120 minutes. Clonazepam is more anxiolytic, less sedative, and has a much longer duration (diazepam has long-lasting residual effects but peak effects around 6 hours for me).

I prefer clonazepam for both therapeutic and recreational use, except for getting to sleep.
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I mainly use benzos to chill with recreationally. Or sleep after stims. Would clonaz be better than diaz for this?

Those 20mg valium are legit I've had 2 and I'm fairly fucked. It's a shame I need a straight head tomorrow or I'd have another one or two of the normal ones, there's a voice in my head that still says "DO IT!!!" Wish I had some weed to take my mind off doing silly amounts of benzos.
 
hmmm, from what everyone's saying the intense sedation/sluggishness I got from the clonaz was more down to only having 90 mins sleep, and trying to cure myself before work by having one then.....

I had one before bed last night and have felt fine all day, not overtired, not sluggish, fine :)
 
I've had like 3 of the indian scripts and 2 of the 20mg ones. Silly question but should I sniff one? Or just drink more and eat another 2-3?

Tbh these doses aree getting silly I know
 
Dr_Robotnik said:
I mainly use benzos to chill with recreationally. Or sleep after stims. Would clonaz be better than diaz for this?

Those 20mg valium are legit I've had 2 and I'm fairly fucked. It's a shame I need a straight head tomorrow or I'd have another one or two of the normal ones, there's a voice in my head that still says "DO IT!!!" Wish I had some weed to take my mind off doing silly amounts of benzos.

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I've had like 3 of the indian scripts and 2 of the 20mg ones. Silly question but should I sniff one? Or just drink more and eat another 2-3?

Tbh these doses aree getting silly I know
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In my opinion diazepam is better for getting to sleep after stims, but clonazepam is better for recreation.

Definitely don't sniff any, it's a complete waste. Much higher oral BA, plus there's a tiny amount of active ingredients versus binders and fillers.

And especially if you need a clear head tomorrow, don't drink and take more benzos! Bad idea. If you're already 'fairly fucked' then you're not gonna feel any better, just get more fucked up, potentially black out, and miss whatever you need to be straight for tomorrow.
 
I did one anyway. Did next to nothing. Up at 9an off to bed now, don't even feel particularly fucked. Think I need a better source than all these local knock offs. Night bluelight.
 
Hard to choose my favorite benzo...it would be diazepam if half the time the black market tabs/brands weren't so shit, clonaz is another good one but not much experience with and I love temazapam for getting that proper robot walk on after a few cups of cider. Diaz is definitely a favorite for the comedown though, used to love getting into bed with another, banging a few blues, passing a few pipes and sticking on some simple minded TV (e.g. Fresh Prince/Simpsons/Father Ted) and chilling till sleep arrives before having a lazy day in bed that Sunday. Most comparable to that warm fuzzy feeling of oxys that I no longer touch.
 
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SamhainGrim said:
Honestly, if I had 4mg alpraz and 50mg diazepam (not that I would even consider it unless I was coming down heavily off stims) then I wouldn't leave the house.

You'd also never get prescribed anything like that by a doctor, whereas illicit users are often buying in thousands.
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Amen to that. Had a gram of diaz in a green wrap the same colour as my ketamine.. ended up breaking my monitor and treading in broken glass in all the confusion, not fun!
 
Clobazam found in house had one on Friday night in bed after being unable to sleep after a few IPAs, it didn't really help with my sleep but I had really energetic Saturday and no hangover on Sunday despite been out drinking the previous night. I had a latish night last night and felt a bit rattle early on, I had read they were soluble in alcohol which potentiated them by 50 percent so I put a 10mg in a spoon of rum, it was very very reluctant to dissolve which I put down to the maker wanting to reduce the IV, date rape potential and perhaps provide a slow release action. I feel it much stronger tonight. It seems to be be a bit of of a rarity, mainly because for epilepsy. And specific aniexty, no obvious recpot
 
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Anyone tried these 5mg Diaz? (plain yellow, scored on one side). Or the 10mg? (D on one side 10 on the other).
 
JessHalo said:
Are you in India Dr Robotnik.. they used to sell blues in the pharmacys. I dont know if they do anymore.

Such a civilized place.
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It's funny, two friends were talking about their trip to India earlier and said they had no luck ANYWHERE. When it came to getting pharms like Valium/Ketamine in India, no matter where they went they just kept getting chased out the store. I always thought they were easily available.
 
^ Yeah I had that thought until I actually went to the place. I couldn't get any diaz or anything without a prescription, although I'm presuming if you pay the money and see the doctor they might be able to sort something. It's easier to get in the UK really.
 
Ive got 3 of them triangular 2mg xanax and a handfull of MSJ's (which I dont really rate) so many copys about, for tommorow, got a presentation and im the worsst public speaker in the world / just choke and usually end up running off and or just not doing it, my mind just goes to mush and can get out about 2 sentences to cover a 20 min presentation . so hopefully Ill be able to finish it before falling asleep. Going to have to have a pint of 2 aswell to calm the nerves, last time I fell asleep on the way back on the train after a good 8 or 9 blues, (2-3 usually puts me to sleep) and missed fuck loads of stops.

They strips ^^ look tasty
 
^ that sounds like a terrible idea. Eat 2-3 msj's max. A couple of 2mg Xanax will have you slurring and repeating yourself.

I only had 1 of those indian 10 mg with "Dizapam" on ths script earlier. Blantantly fakes but they're more like it than most of the usual - roche, msj, ww, stada etc I'd go with these. The temaz was almost too much fidnt realise hoW fucked I was til after. Lol they do give a nice head though :D
 
Tribal Girl: Those strips look slightly similar to ones I've tried recently. They look well made, but they've all got that blue ink stamp on the foil. The ones I had were diazepam, but looked nothing like those blue things (same strength). They were white and had a score, then a blank side. It seems like underground manufacturers believe India is the place to make people believe their diaz is from. It's weird, as UK diaz is identifiable in strength by colour.
 
^I've also seen the plain white / scored ones too. Would you say thy're decent enough to bother with?. The white ones are more expensive than the blue though, so not sure why the hell that'd be. :?

Were the back of the blister pack for the white ones a redish brownish colour by any chance?.

I'll just bosh one of the blue ones tomorrow and see what they're like, but would be interested in your opinion on the white ones. Cheers.
 
Treacle said:
It seems like underground manufacturers believe India is the place to make people believe their diaz is from.
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I think that has more to do with supplies from Pakistan being cut off, and I think a lot of the Indian diazepam actually comes from (wait for it) India. Though admittedly I've never seen Indian blues before - they've always been white, whatever brand.

Which is not to say your counterfeiting conpiracy theory isn't plausible at a stretch, but if so, why don't they just put them in Actavis strips and charge three times the price?

Then again, not much surprises me about the illicit benzo trade.
 
As I'm about to say to Tribal: I thought the white ones were pretty shit. Tasted of nothing, until you let it totally melt, then you could taste some diaz. Definitely not 10mg. Can't really remember the colours of the strips, I just know it was similar to those. I would imagine people that counterfeit diaz, to that extent, often want to do a slightly obscure strip, so it can't be easily identified as a fake. There's no conspiracy theory, just shit diaz, in decent looking packaging. I have no idea why - I don't make them.
 
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