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Benzo Discussion v4

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I must start cutting back on the pills a bit.
Sometimes in the mornings I'm not sure what day it is without checking on my phone and a couple of times now I can't remember if I have taken my methadone dose that day or not.
Don't want the memory of an 80 year old man just yet.
 
Xanax for stim comedowns. Hands down. Not tried etiz, but would expect it to have a similar effect. I suppose it depends on whether you want to just relax, or be knocked out.
 
maxalfie said:
I must start cutting back on the pills a bit.
Sometimes in the mornings I'm not sure what day it is without checking on my phone and a couple of times now I can't remember if I have taken my methadone dose that day or not.
Don't want the memory of an 80 year old man just yet.
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Me too - I've got in way too deep with benzos over the past few months, as well as other stuff. Sometimes I'm pleasantly surprised b the fact it's a day later than I thouht it was, but most of the time it's just frightening to see the extent of the amnesia they can give you. Like when you wake up to find you've had four more beers and a takeaway.

Treacle - I'd put etiz pretty close to xanax in terms of comedown relief. It's excellent for knocking you out at higher doses and also pretty enjoyable with a beer, although obviously the road to ruin is never far away with that kind of combo.
 
Is the start of a sign that you've been taking a few too many benzos a kind mildly manic sorta edgy feeling? either that or its a sign i get sometimes thats hinting at drinking too much booze. or both
 
Could be rebound anxiety, could be the booze, could be anything.

I've become very edgy inbetween doses of shorter-acting benzos if I've been using the regularly for more than a few days.

Also sounds like the feeling I used to get in the afternoons when I was drinking heavily every day.
 
maxalfie said:
I must start cutting back on the pills a bit.
Sometimes in the mornings I'm not sure what day it is without checking on my phone and a couple of times now I can't remember if I have taken my methadone dose that day or not.
Don't want the memory of an 80 year old man just yet.
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I can't remember huge chunks of the last month thanks to a healthy combo of xanax, diazepam, etizolam and subutex. Ended up sleeping rough many a night and a hostel or two. I'm back with the wife now, but on the condition of sticking to my script and nothing else.
Having been sober for a week, I am happy to be without the pills, and with a home and a partner.
 
backroll said:
I can't remember huge chunks of the last month thanks to a healthy combo of xanax, diazepam, etizolam and subutex.
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Exchange the subutex for suboxone and drop the etiz (but throw in booze - though nothing like my former intake), and that's basically been my routine for too long now.

This is usually a difficult time for me, Christmas aside, but I do realise that I have become dependent again, which sours the progress I've made in other areas.

On the other hand the drugs helped massively in making said progress. Not straightforward, is it? Rarely is. :)
 
I have never experienced benzo withdrawal yet thankfully.
I have seen countless posts describing it as really bad and a lot worse than heroin withdrawals but I have never really read a post that truly describes what it is like to go through from beginning to end.
Is there anywhere anyone can point me to that might have a more fully rounded description of what it would truly be like?
 
Max I would say it's exactly the same but with added mental torture (anxiety mainly), delightful basically! Slightly less physical as well perhaps.

Sam are you prescribed suboxone? Thought it was all subutex over here.
I took a gigantic purposeful overdose of various things on xmas eve 4 years ago, after my ex dumped me and my dad battered the shit out of me so it's ruined for our family. Fuck them though.

This year i'm on my own...so you would think it could be dangerous but I have a new family now, my own family that I have made, one that loves me so I could never be so selfish again.

Poly-drug use and dependency is a fucking bitch init?!

I ain't had a cig for 4 days by the way! NHS free patches and inhalers, gotta love em!

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Booze as well...christ I didn't realise how much I needed it. Used to think I was a fucking g drinking spesh and k. Lol. What a nob more like.
 
I was convinced I was gonna gonna die the other night when I ran out of midazolam, went through about 500 in 3 weeks and the day I ran out was without a doubt the worst I've ever felt in my life. It got to 3 or 4 in the morning and I was curled up in a fetal position but everytime I started to fall asleep I'd have an epic brain zap and that'd be it, went on all night. I dunno how long that would've good on for but I managed to score some etiz and Diaz the next day which I'm hoping will hold me until I get on 'another' taper.
Also been necking half a litre of vodka a night to ease the wd's a little more, and considering I'm a recovering alcoholic its not good news. Benzos suck!!! They drag you down before u know it, and then its 6 month tapes, all for a few weeks of calm. Its jusv not worth it, but we keep doing it. It sucks man. Wish I was stronger willed!!!
 
I've just done 9 "10mg" diaz over the last 6 days. This is fucking hardcore for me, and it'll be a week before i touch one again.
 
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Sam are you prescribed suboxone? Thought it was all subutex over here.
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Nope, they're both prescribed on the NHS. There's been talk of switching all subutex scripts over to suboxone for at least a few years now.

Mailmonkey said:
I've just done 9 "10mg" diaz over the last 6 days. This is fucking hardcore for me, and it'll be a week before i touch one again.
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Can I borrow your willpower?
 
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maxalfie said:
Is there anywhere anyone can point me to that might have a more fully rounded description of what it would truly be like?
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IME, there was a distinct feeling of impending doom.
Combined with the inability to sleep and derealization. I had to lie in bed with lights and TV turned on all night.

It went on for about a week and the only thing that bought relief was alcohol.
Another thing I recall was my voice breaking up as if experiencing some sort of trauma or shock and shaking alot.

At the time I was unaware withdrawals were possible from benzo abuse and thought I was having a mental breakdown.

Anyway... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiazepine_withdrawal_syndrome#Signs_and_symptoms
 
Thanks for your reply Cornish. I read the link you supplied also and fucks sake benzo withdrawal is certainly no walk in the park.
I wasn't aware of how many side effects and symptoms you may have to go through and I had no idea that you may even still be affected by it years down the line.
I know these drugs obviously have a job to do and can and do help people but I find it frightening that legal drugs can be allowed on to the market when it is known about possible side effects and potential to damage people.
Seems like our illegal drugs have a lot less bad side effects than these legal medicines do.
Thanks for the info again. It will certainly make me think more carefully about my own usage.
 
Cornishman said:
IME, there was a distinct feeling of impending doom.
Combined with the inability to sleep and derealization. I had to lie in bed with lights and TV turned on all night.

It went on for about a week and the only thing that bought relief was alcohol.
Another thing I recall was my voice breaking up as if experiencing some sort of trauma or shock and shaking alot.

At the time I was unaware withdrawals were possible from benzo abuse and thought I was having a mental breakdown.

Anyway... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiazepine_withdrawal_syndrome#Signs_and_symptoms
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Yeh, benzo withdrawals are pretty bad.

I went through it this year, took a long, long time for me as i was a bit silly and didnt complete my taper and just went cold turkey at 30mg.

Very little sleep, no energy, unable to move from sofa, severe closed eye hallucinations, muscle twitches the works.

Took almost 6 months to get over it, then a further 2 months to build my energy back up to a point where i could function.
 
doorknob said:
Anyone tried the 10mg ardins that are cheap and everywhere?
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Aye i got sent a few strips of them by mistake, def active and okay dose (mine were blistered) 100x better than the daz which are all but bunk, shame first time i got em they were spot on
 
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