Hey friends!
This post is the end or rather the beginning of a a little story which involves me taking Subutex in ORT, and in the last phases of tapering, I've been going a little amok taking benzos and other opiates on the side, to get the addicitive cycle of things over and done with so-to-speak (trying to apply a negative perspective for future reference, in terms of street drug environment, downside of drugs, the negative and harmful aspects, etc.) - A personal approach to harm reduction, learning by doing but with many books and internet resources at hand - and of course at times advice from an old veteran street-junkie - all the while smoking a lot of good hash and weed, and attempting to keep a reasonable timetable based on T½ (half-life) and some equivalence charts based on the different substances [will also post later, as neat tables and all that - but benzo coordination and note taking requires a bit of rearranging and layout designing so be patient - at some point an objective and thorough report will come out, I promise].
BUT FEAR NOT! The majority of the binge period, I maintained an Excel sheet, writing down when, what drug, ROA, dose, and comments as the weeks have passed (when outside [OFTEN], I jotted it down on a piece of paper. From what I can sum up, I have listed the substances which I have been taking (some at leisure, some necessary for opiate maintenance) [will edit as time goes on as I put all the sheets and papers, times, pills and powder together in order of ingestion]:
OBS! I will encircle the paragraphs that are directly relevant to Bupe with === and the ones slightly related, but more about the interaction of benzos etc. with ------ .
Opiates:
Buprenorphine (mix of Temgesic 0.4's, 0.2's, and Subutex 2's)
Morphine (10 mg tabs)
Codeine extract (Max 100 mg)
Methadone (20 mg tabs)
Ketobemidone 5m & Dimethylaminodiphenylbutene* (combo tabs - Ketogan)
*Very little info on this spasmolytic to be found...
I'm very close to hitting 0 with the Bupe, and after that I want to try stay off ALL, and only smoke a joint when offered a toke once in a while, or medicinally to take care of wds and alleviate other symptoms that come with sickness and age. I might want to have a nice little colllection of all different cannabis products, for occasional use. Like a connoisseurs set. OR like the suitcase in 'Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas' - just with Cannabis sp. products only...
Today, I am going to try IV Subutex (probably 1-1.2 mg) for the first time! I don't have a micron filter, but plenty of clean sterile gear vacuum packed with a lot of cotton, so I'm just gonna go with the flow, and slam it. In the name of science.
Benzos: How many of each, and the price I will not share
But I think I've had enough for now, unless a bottle of Valium falls in my lap
Diazepam (5 mg tabs; 15mg tabs - 1st cop of Diazepam - AMAZING CHANCE IN THESE PARTS!)
Clonazepam (2 mg tabs)
Oxazepam (15 mg tabs)
Nitrazepam (5 mg tabs)
Bromazepam (6 mg tabs)
Flunitrazepam (2 mg tabs)
+Quite possibly others
Typically a test of the anxiolytic effects of the benzo would be done by smoking joints, the hypnotic effects in terms of doing things such as preparing food (maintaining an order of processing ingredients, finding ut-ensils/itlities and the motor skills tested by a long bike ride, run, or walk, balancing acts (walking with a cup of coffee, doing stretches with yoga inspired moves, reading, writing, sleeping etc.T)
Oh ya... tried with second generation antihistamines (acrivastine and citrizinedihydrochloride) to potenitaite the benzos, but seemed they had no effect. So don't bother trying... unless the molecules can be broken down into more sedative derivatives or more hypnotic substances in some easy manner.
Anyways, I've been away doing all sorts of stuff the past two weeks, and made a mess of things here on BL beginning of those weeks ago, which was due to a benzo binge I took [my first real benzo experience ever - the beginning of my honeymoon period with benzos - a honeymoon with a near foreseeable end (they just have to get out of my system within the coming days-week; thére are goals that need to be reached which cannot involve prolonged use of benzodiazepines]... <->BACK TO THE BENZO BINGE BL FUCK UP AFEW WEEKS AGO<-> ...short-term memory, wobbly enough to wanna say whatever whenever, and my input was very inconsistent... Good mood and the best of intentions throughout - no harm intended... I had a great time benzoing about from the 3-20th of March (now is probably a very good time to stop benzos too - benzos used for prolonged periods of time, from down to a week can have severe wd symptoms, especially at high doses). And if I troubled anyone, sorry. Things might have been a little misplaced, and some very kind moderators took care of some things for me, and for the rest, I'm gonna start a blog and, I'll make sure posts and threads get to where I want them, in a reasonable respective place, as time goes on; hella busy these days, and benzo memory damage does what it does.
So now the benzos are over, I have Ketogan (6 tabs), Methadone (2 tabs), and Subutex (haven't counted but they have to last me until Thursday).... A bit of top quality hash.
I assume it will take me some weeks, maybe months, before I have a proper recount of these experiences during my ORT summed up in a BL forum friendly template, and I think there is a lot of people out there whose questions I'll be able to answer in terms of Buprenorphine, and using other substances on the side, as well as some input on the different ROA.
I wish you all the best, and have fun, but be careful. I advise reading harm reduction threads and consult the experienced users or moderators if in doubt, and know that all these substances combined can have some very harmful -> fatal effects, so the fact that I'm alive and able to recount my experi-ences/ments is hopefully worth your time and consideration. The benzos really fucked with my ability to keep a schedule and maintain school and work, and due to delayed salary and a number of other factors, I'm about a week behind where I should be on that front... been having drug fun and eating simple, cheap, healthy foods, hit rock bottom, but it's all good. What's done is done, now it's just a matter of catching up, and amongst other things, providing a report on these experiences for the BL community ASAP.
P.S. I met a girl yesterday at a homeless shelter (first thing I told her was that she was beautiful), we had dinner (delicious). during dinner I slipped her my number, with something like 'for help, support, chat call me' w/ my name. She crumbled it up, and hid it, I think she didn't want her bf to see. She was beautiful - young east European girl on Suboxone, ping-ponging between shooting dope and maintaining. We went outside to smoke a cigarette, she implied that she wanted out, a good life and that it was so hard not to use with her boyfriend using dope all day everyday. The problem here is, I got her number too (but she shares phone w/ boyfriend, and I don't want it to be messy); I hope that she calls me, and that we can get out of this opiate cycle together. Otherwise, after a few days, I'm trying the guys number, gonna play good cop, and then get the girl on the phone and sweet talk her into meeting me. She has nothing - no status in the country, job, or home, just a junk habit with her bf and subs for maintainance... I want to help her and maybe we might even feel a little love for one another. I think I could love her.
To round off, I am going for a run, and then have a (banana, avocado, raspberry, cane sugar, SAFI, IL HWA Ginseng Exract, milk and yoghurt), and then need to rest. I'll spend the afternoon preparing for the buprenorphine shot later today All those benzos are apparently still working... Nodding like crazy.... the lack of sleep and the 0.4mg line of Bupe might also have something to do with it... Because of the cumulatively high dose Clonazepam I think, went to 16mg clonazepam yesterday, 1,2 mg bupe, 20 mg supposed Nitrazepam (pills looked axactly as they should - chewed to taste, bitter-sweet), anyone who can refer me to a benzo thread that talks about taste of benzos?
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Bwanajzj
This post is the end or rather the beginning of a a little story which involves me taking Subutex in ORT, and in the last phases of tapering, I've been going a little amok taking benzos and other opiates on the side, to get the addicitive cycle of things over and done with so-to-speak (trying to apply a negative perspective for future reference, in terms of street drug environment, downside of drugs, the negative and harmful aspects, etc.) - A personal approach to harm reduction, learning by doing but with many books and internet resources at hand - and of course at times advice from an old veteran street-junkie - all the while smoking a lot of good hash and weed, and attempting to keep a reasonable timetable based on T½ (half-life) and some equivalence charts based on the different substances [will also post later, as neat tables and all that - but benzo coordination and note taking requires a bit of rearranging and layout designing so be patient - at some point an objective and thorough report will come out, I promise].
BUT FEAR NOT! The majority of the binge period, I maintained an Excel sheet, writing down when, what drug, ROA, dose, and comments as the weeks have passed (when outside [OFTEN], I jotted it down on a piece of paper. From what I can sum up, I have listed the substances which I have been taking (some at leisure, some necessary for opiate maintenance) [will edit as time goes on as I put all the sheets and papers, times, pills and powder together in order of ingestion]:
OBS! I will encircle the paragraphs that are directly relevant to Bupe with === and the ones slightly related, but more about the interaction of benzos etc. with ------ .
Opiates:
Buprenorphine (mix of Temgesic 0.4's, 0.2's, and Subutex 2's)
Morphine (10 mg tabs)
Codeine extract (Max 100 mg)
Methadone (20 mg tabs)
Ketobemidone 5m & Dimethylaminodiphenylbutene* (combo tabs - Ketogan)
*Very little info on this spasmolytic to be found...
I'm very close to hitting 0 with the Bupe, and after that I want to try stay off ALL, and only smoke a joint when offered a toke once in a while, or medicinally to take care of wds and alleviate other symptoms that come with sickness and age. I might want to have a nice little colllection of all different cannabis products, for occasional use. Like a connoisseurs set. OR like the suitcase in 'Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas' - just with Cannabis sp. products only...
Today, I am going to try IV Subutex (probably 1-1.2 mg) for the first time! I don't have a micron filter, but plenty of clean sterile gear vacuum packed with a lot of cotton, so I'm just gonna go with the flow, and slam it. In the name of science.
Benzos: How many of each, and the price I will not share
But I think I've had enough for now, unless a bottle of Valium falls in my lapDiazepam (5 mg tabs; 15mg tabs - 1st cop of Diazepam - AMAZING CHANCE IN THESE PARTS!)
Clonazepam (2 mg tabs)
Oxazepam (15 mg tabs)
Nitrazepam (5 mg tabs)
Bromazepam (6 mg tabs)
Flunitrazepam (2 mg tabs)
+Quite possibly others
Typically a test of the anxiolytic effects of the benzo would be done by smoking joints, the hypnotic effects in terms of doing things such as preparing food (maintaining an order of processing ingredients, finding ut-ensils/itlities and the motor skills tested by a long bike ride, run, or walk, balancing acts (walking with a cup of coffee, doing stretches with yoga inspired moves, reading, writing, sleeping etc.T)
Oh ya... tried with second generation antihistamines (acrivastine and citrizinedihydrochloride) to potenitaite the benzos, but seemed they had no effect. So don't bother trying... unless the molecules can be broken down into more sedative derivatives or more hypnotic substances in some easy manner.
Anyways, I've been away doing all sorts of stuff the past two weeks, and made a mess of things here on BL beginning of those weeks ago, which was due to a benzo binge I took [my first real benzo experience ever - the beginning of my honeymoon period with benzos - a honeymoon with a near foreseeable end (they just have to get out of my system within the coming days-week; thére are goals that need to be reached which cannot involve prolonged use of benzodiazepines]... <->BACK TO THE BENZO BINGE BL FUCK UP AFEW WEEKS AGO<-> ...short-term memory, wobbly enough to wanna say whatever whenever, and my input was very inconsistent... Good mood and the best of intentions throughout - no harm intended... I had a great time benzoing about from the 3-20th of March (now is probably a very good time to stop benzos too - benzos used for prolonged periods of time, from down to a week can have severe wd symptoms, especially at high doses). And if I troubled anyone, sorry. Things might have been a little misplaced, and some very kind moderators took care of some things for me, and for the rest, I'm gonna start a blog and, I'll make sure posts and threads get to where I want them, in a reasonable respective place, as time goes on; hella busy these days, and benzo memory damage does what it does.
So now the benzos are over, I have Ketogan (6 tabs), Methadone (2 tabs), and Subutex (haven't counted but they have to last me until Thursday).... A bit of top quality hash.
I assume it will take me some weeks, maybe months, before I have a proper recount of these experiences during my ORT summed up in a BL forum friendly template, and I think there is a lot of people out there whose questions I'll be able to answer in terms of Buprenorphine, and using other substances on the side, as well as some input on the different ROA.
I wish you all the best, and have fun, but be careful. I advise reading harm reduction threads and consult the experienced users or moderators if in doubt, and know that all these substances combined can have some very harmful -> fatal effects, so the fact that I'm alive and able to recount my experi-ences/ments is hopefully worth your time and consideration. The benzos really fucked with my ability to keep a schedule and maintain school and work, and due to delayed salary and a number of other factors, I'm about a week behind where I should be on that front... been having drug fun and eating simple, cheap, healthy foods, hit rock bottom, but it's all good. What's done is done, now it's just a matter of catching up, and amongst other things, providing a report on these experiences for the BL community ASAP.
P.S. I met a girl yesterday at a homeless shelter (first thing I told her was that she was beautiful), we had dinner (delicious). during dinner I slipped her my number, with something like 'for help, support, chat call me' w/ my name. She crumbled it up, and hid it, I think she didn't want her bf to see. She was beautiful - young east European girl on Suboxone, ping-ponging between shooting dope and maintaining. We went outside to smoke a cigarette, she implied that she wanted out, a good life and that it was so hard not to use with her boyfriend using dope all day everyday. The problem here is, I got her number too (but she shares phone w/ boyfriend, and I don't want it to be messy); I hope that she calls me, and that we can get out of this opiate cycle together. Otherwise, after a few days, I'm trying the guys number, gonna play good cop, and then get the girl on the phone and sweet talk her into meeting me. She has nothing - no status in the country, job, or home, just a junk habit with her bf and subs for maintainance... I want to help her and maybe we might even feel a little love for one another. I think I could love her.
To round off, I am going for a run, and then have a (banana, avocado, raspberry, cane sugar, SAFI, IL HWA Ginseng Exract, milk and yoghurt), and then need to rest. I'll spend the afternoon preparing for the buprenorphine shot later today
All those benzos are apparently still working... Nodding like crazy.... the lack of sleep and the 0.4mg line of Bupe might also have something to do with it... Because of the cumulatively high dose Clonazepam I think, went to 16mg clonazepam yesterday, 1,2 mg bupe, 20 mg supposed Nitrazepam (pills looked axactly as they should - chewed to taste, bitter-sweet), anyone who can refer me to a benzo thread that talks about taste of benzos?-
Bwanajzj