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Belladonna alkaloids with phenobarbital tablets

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buds4lyfe420

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hey, im new here but not a drug newb in the least bit.

anyways, my GI doctor just gave me 90 BELLADONNA ALKALOIDS (datura) WITH PHENOBARBITAL TABLETS. the exact pill's description can be found in this file:

http://west-ward.com/images/files/package/Bella.pdf

what kind of recreational value am i dealing with here? i took the max daily dosage (3) at once knowing it contains phenobarbital and datura alkaloids, but all i noticed was maybe a tiny bit of sedation and cotton mouth.

but i have no idea about datura alkaloids and i have never done any barbiturate before this (although i have a very high tolerance for benzos, which iv read the effects are comparable to. high tolerance=it takes at least 10-12mgs clonazepam for me to feel any buzz at all ) but i cannot seem to find recreational dosage information for these pills. can anyone shed some light on this new prescription of mine?
 
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Does it quantify the "belladonna alkaloids" in each tablet?

You may just want to take the recommended dosage, as barbiturates are not as euphoric (from what I am told) as benzos are. They might help you get through the day without being high or whatever.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Does it quantify the "belladonna alkaloids" in each tablet?

You may just want to take the recommended dosage, as barbiturates are not as euphoric (from what I am told) as benzos are. They might help you get through the day without being high or whatever.
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yes. the link i provided quantifys the "bella donna alkaloids"

for those too lazy to click a provided link i will list the contents of the pills in question:

BELLADONNA
ALKALOIDS WITH
PHENOBARBITAL
TABLETS

DESCRIPTION: Each tablet contains:
Atropine Sulfate, USP..........................0.0194 mg
Hyoscyamine Sulfate, USP..................0.1037 mg
Scopolamine Hydrobromide, USP.......0.0065 mg
Phenobarbital, USP................................16.2 mg

Inactive ingredients: Anhydrous Lactose, Calcium Stearate,
Colloidal Silicon Dioxide, Corn Starch, and Microcrystalline
Cellulose.

by the way, i never found benzos to be very euphoric. i take k-pins for anxiety and have built up a tolerance to the point where i can never get high off benzos without taking ridiculous amounts. they couldnt even knock me out when i went to get a endoscopy or colonoscopy. they IVd me with "the most" fentanyl, and whatever "super-powered" SHORT ACTING benzo they give all at once and all i felt was a tiny opioid buzz for a couple minutes. didnt feel sedated in the least bit. yeah...both procedures were pretty painful half high and aware and able to feel pain at every twist and turn of my insides as they jab the tube down (or up depending on which procedure were talking lol).

also,i have done minimal research on the datura plant, the alkaloids it produces, and the effect that it has. i would like to try tripping on the belladonna AND the taking the barbiturate recreational. i just do not have any idea what a recreational dosage is.

by the way (again), i like "weird" drugs. my favorite drug is dxm. i have experienced (and enjoyed in its own way) every plateau including sigma . iv done diphenhydramine trips maybe a dozen times and enjoyed about half of them. i really enjoy a nutmeg high. i also made a vow 4 or 5 years ago to give every drug a try. (that goes against me trying to be sober right now but a buzz or trip here and there doesnt hurt, since its not an everyday thing like it used to be).

soooo...any info from anyone who has used these pills or similar ones and had positive recreational experience (hallucinations, delerium, dissociation, heavy sedation etc. etc... ), or knows any way to extract the phenebarb and/or the belladonna exclusively so that i can experience each drug in it's own glory?
 
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If I'm thinking of the same thing, it isn't like a benzo at all. It is a scary realistic hallucinogen/(deliriant?). Almost every report I read said it was one of the worst two or three days of their lives. I'm referring to Jimson Weed (datura) which is in the same class as Belladonna. Maybe your medicine doesn't include the hallucinogenic alkaloids.
 
ooh You're talking about something that is often referred to as, "Donnatol", right?

I took that stuff back just before I had a surgery, long time ago. I remember it being very strong, very sedating, and very confusing. I liked it back then, though.. I imagine it was the Phenobarb that was so nice..

It relieves abdominal spasms, if I remember correctly. I wouldn't really mess with it in large amounts, though.. Belladona is "Deadly Nightshade" for a reason..
 
Breathe said:
ooh You're talking about something that is often referred to as, "Donnatol", right?

I took that stuff back just before I had a surgery, long time ago. I remember it being very strong, very sedating, and very confusing. I liked it back then, though.. I imagine it was the Phenobarb that was so nice..

It relieves abdominal spasms, if I remember correctly. I wouldn't really mess with it in large amounts, though.. Belladona is "Deadly Nightshade" for a reason..
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yes. the doctor prescribed Donnatol, but they gave me this bottle with only "BELLA-PHENOBARB TAB (SUBSTITUDED FOR: DONNATAL TABLET)" written on it. the bottle just said take "1 pill 1/2 hour before meal. maximum 3 tablets daily" but it didnt give dosage information, nor was i given any information on what it actually was. i had to go through hell to actually find the same pill that i have on any site with any real factual information.

anyway, yeah i know that the datura part is not anything like a benzo. i knew that was a deleriant and i like exploring that state of mind. its the Phenobarb that i said is similar to benzos (so iv read). i havent experienced any effects other than sedation, which i accounted to the phenobarb, and dilated pupils/cotton mouth, which i accounted to the belladonna alks.

but id like to see what these have to offer, but i dont know where to start as far as dosing and whether to chew, snort, take sublingualy, shoot it, or what ( as far as how these chemicals absorb most productively as per each chemical)

Breathe, how many mgs Phenobarb were yours? how much did you take? would a benzo and opioid tolerance affect my ability to successfully or safely use (abuse) these pills?

anyone at all out there know some real info on this stuff particularly?
 
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^Atropine and hysccamine and scopolamine all help to smooth out muscular contractions of the stomach and bowels. The phenobarbtal is probably (maybe) included to decrease the paradoxical CNS stmulation that tropanes can cause, or (as a general muscle relaxant) to relax your stomach. Who knows?

BTW, you don't wanna try and have "fun" with these tabs. For one, barbs aint enjoyable, and decerease serum levels of any benzo; and secondly, delerum from atopine and related alkaloids is totally different to that of dipenhydramine. To become deleriou from tropanes, you will also put your life at risk, unless you are with a shaman.
 
swilow said:
^Atropine and hysccamine and scopolamine all help to smooth out muscular contractions of the stomach and bowels. The phenobarbtal is probably (maybe) included to decrease the paradoxical CNS stmulation that tropanes can cause, or (as a general muscle relaxant) to relax your stomach. Who knows?

BTW, you don't wanna try and have "fun" with these tabs. For one, barbs aint enjoyable, and decerease serum levels of any benzo; and secondly, delerum from atopine and related alkaloids is totally different to that of dipenhydramine. To become deleriou from tropanes, you will also put your life at risk, unless you are with a shaman.
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pardon my ignorance, but what exactly do you mean by "decrease serum levels of any bezo" ? and i have read that some people enjoy barbs so i wouldnt say "they aint enjoyable", id say "most people dont enjoy they effect".. but regardless how do you know i am not or do not live with a shaman? besides, just because i havent experienced tropanes doesnt mean i wouldnt be able to handle myself on them. theres always a first time. and i have multiple sigma plateau dxm trip experiences plus a few cases of serotonin syndrome under my belt. plus a few nutmeg trips and lots of salvia experience.. i know confusion... and i like it.

haa ha but seriously. i know what im getting myself into here, i just dont know dosage information per effect of the pill i have. and also im wondering about any way to extract any desireables from the pills? to isolate the different drugs so i can experience each one in its own respect. yanno?
 
buds4lyfe420 said:
and i have read that some people enjoy barbs so i wouldnt say "they aint enjoyable", id say "most people dont enjoy they effect".. but regardless how do you know i am not or do not live with a shaman? besides, just because i havent experienced tropanes doesnt mean i wouldnt be able to handle myself on them. theres always a first time. and i have multiple sigma plateau dxm trip experiences plus a few cases of serotonin syndrome under my belt. plus a few nutmeg trips and lots of salvia experience.. i know confusion... and i like it.
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Delirium and hallucination does not equate to a fun visual psychedelic experience.

Barbiturates are allegedly not fun; I haven't tried them myself, but benzos are highly preferred (you may get euphoria from them, depending on which one).

They're also much, much safer.

haa ha but seriously. i know what im getting myself into here, i just dont know dosage information per effect of the pill i have. and also im wondering about any way to extract any desireables from the pills? to isolate the different drugs so i can experience each one in its own respect. yanno?
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There probably isn't a way to do this. Someone may contradict me, but I would guess that it isn't going to be easy. There may or may not be a way to separate the phenobarbital away from the alkaloids, and if there is a way, it may not be easy.

I don't think you know what you're getting yourself into. Have you read about datura experiences on erowid? Don't you see there are 8 "Glowing Experiences" compared to 47 "Train Wrecks & Trip Disasters" compared to 25 "Health Problems" and 21 "Bad Trips" and 82 "Difficult Experiences"? Wouldn't that tell the average person something about these drug's relative worth?
 
yes. i have read those reports and such. what those tell me is that its a powerful substance that deserves respect. iv been wanting to try datura for a long time. but its not so accessible in the States.

as for extractions, they rarely are "easy". they usually require an alchemist with moderate experience. iv extracted many different chemicals out of many different pills or liquids or plant matter before. why should this be "so much more difficult" ?
 
buds4lyfe420 said:
yes. i have read those reports and such. what those tell me is that its a powerful substance that deserves respect. iv been wanting to try datura for a long time. but its not so accessible in the States.
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It's legal, you should be able to buy the seeds from an online vendor.

as for extractions, they rarely are "easy". they usually require an alchemist with moderate experience. iv extracted many different chemicals out of many different pills or liquids or plant matter before. why should this be "so much more difficult" ?
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You have three different alkaloids and a barbiturate. If there's no one solvent that dissolves one or the three others, and not all 4, then I think you would be unable to extract the two drug classes from each other.

Then again I am not familiar with these drugs nor what solvents will absorb them.
 
Captain.Heroin said:

You have three different alkaloids and a barbiturate. If there's no one solvent that dissolves one or the three others, and not all 4, then I think you would be unable to extract the two drug classes from each other.

Then again I am not familiar with these drugs nor what solvents will absorb them.
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yes i understand enough to know that there would be different processes to extract each chemical. jeesh are you guys used to a bunch of ignorant kids here or what?

my drug usage may be more shamanic in nature than most people here...idk. i just got here. but i know i like delerium.

also, i enjoy serotonin syndrome, and have intentionally induced it on myself multiple times. read some experience reports for that knowing i loved every minute i went through it before you say "Delirium and hallucination does not equate to a fun visual psychedelic experience. "

it may not be what MOST people consider a fun psychedelic experience, but a unique person might really love it.

anyway, i guess i will experiment slowly and cautiously untill i can give my own account of what someone who wished to could get out of these pills.
 
If a pill has anything resembling belladona alkaloids in it, DO NOT exceed the prescribed dose. Besides being potentially fatal, belladona will put you through hell with the worst delusional "trip" you can possibly imagine.

No recreational value. Don't try it. You'll end up dead, in jail, or in a mental institution.
 
buds4lyfe420 said:
also, i enjoy serotonin syndrome, and have intentionally induced it on myself multiple times. read some experience reports for that knowing i loved every minute i went through it before you say "Delirium and hallucination does not equate to a fun visual psychedelic experience. "
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Serotonin syndrome is nothing like anticholnergic delerium. I don't even see why your mentioning it. Inducng serotonin syndrome is playing russian roulette. You will diie a painful death if you keep that up.

What on earth did you love about it? The convulsions? The intense and unrelenting body temperature? The manic psychosis? The risk of death?

Geez man. :|
 
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