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Stimulants Being turned to a Zombie by recreational ADHD script.

Captain.Heroin said:
You know that your situation isn't that bad.

SSRI's have a somewhat permanent "zombifying" effect on reducing the emotional spectrum of an individual.

Meth/amps (Rx or not) shouldn't cause permanent "zombifying" effects in otherwise mentally/physically healthy people. Just my 2cents. Unless you count dead overdose victims.

P.S. if this post came off as harsh or crude I apologize. I was on Zoloft for a whole year, the majority of the time at 100mg once per day. I don't really have much tact anymore.
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I was on 175mg of zoloft per day for over 2 years (sometimes sprinkled with a heavy side of lithium, or depakote, or whatever side dish the doc cooked up that month....) and I still have quite a bit of tact...so...what's your point here...? or did you just feel the need to pull out your di....nevermind.

although I agree with your statement in reference to SSRI's having a potential "zombifying" effect...this thread wasn't regarding SSRI's, unless I missed something....?

p.s. sorry if this post came off as bitchy or mean, I apologize. I have been on earth for 30 years now, the majority of the time I see 47 humans per day. I don't really have much sympathy anymore.
 
SwampFox56 said:
No.

You're the one who's incorrect here. People say this all the time. That's what he's referring to. He's not saying there have been studies done that say this, he saying that users of these drugs say that.

I also feel WAY more empathogenic on Amphetamine, then when I'm not. This may be subject to certain people, however, telling him that he has bad information, especially when drugs affect everyone differently, is an idiotic statement.



Please reread his post. He does not claim that Adderall and Ritalin ARE party drugs. He claims that they are the most widely used "party drugs". Adderall and Ritaline - when taken in the right mindset, can definitely be used as party drugs.

Anyone who says otherwise has never taken these drugs before. ಠ_ಠ
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People with ADHD? The discussion is limited to people with ADHD. Amphetamine stimulants are known to turn their ADHD users into zombies and cause social akwardness. Why would you talk about normal people here? It's off topic.

The answer is that, while normal people claim that amphetamine stimulants make them social, ADHD users obtain the opposite "calming" effect and become less social/talkative.

ADHD is the key word you missed, ADHD, ADHD. Google.
 
Ksa said:
People with ADHD? The discussion is limited to people with ADHD. Amphetamine stimulants are known to turn their ADHD users into zombies and cause social akwardness. Why would you talk about normal people here? It's off topic.
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Actually, in my original post I asked "Are these effects common to just non-ADD'ers?". While our discussion proved that Recreational Speed may cause anti-social tendencies and overwhelming anxiety to ADDers, I'm curious to know about non-ADDers too.
 
speed is like a spell it casts on us, when we first start doing it, the euphoria is fucking mind blowing!!! we feel on top of the world, like superman, and don't really crash, as we do it more and more, we got caught in the grips of horrible amphetamine addiction, and nasty comedowns, and its territory
 
I have ADHD and take MPH daily. One of its effect is, that i have less problems with social situations. It doesnt cause me to like situations, which i wouldnt like "sober", but it makes it a lot more easy to talk to someone (e.g. at university). But it doesnt cause a desire to socialize or deal with people in some form.
If i recreationally use stimulants (not my medication), the often, but not always, have the desired effect, to induce increased activity and appreciation of social settings.
 
littlepenguin said:
have any good sources for that "info?"
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http://www.drugabuse.gov/publicatio...adhd-medications-methylphenidate-amphetamines

"These medications(reference to methylphenidate and amphetamine) have a paradoxical calming and "focusing" effect in individuals with ADHD."

Honestly it's a rather widely know fact. If you want to know why and how we know this, then YOU look up the studies. Google "amphetamine paradoxical stimulation ADHD," and start with that. I'm not going to spoon feed you studies or search the web for you. This is well documented in science in people with hyperactivity disorder.
 
alt 14 said:
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publicatio...adhd-medications-methylphenidate-amphetamines

"These medications(reference to methylphenidate and amphetamine) have a paradoxical calming and "focusing" effect in individuals with ADHD."

Honestly it's a rather widely know fact. If you want to know why and how we know this, then YOU look up the studies. Google "amphetamine paradoxical stimulation ADHD," and start with that. I'm not going to spoon feed you studies or search the web for you. This is well documented in science in people with hyperactivity disorder.
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oh, hi alt 14...I am slightly confused, I thought I was directing my comment toward Ksa. You must be his bitc......er, 'little helper' today? oh, ok. neat.

so, since you're speaking for Ksa today, do you think you could show me in that article that you sourced, exactly where it says: "Amphetamine stimulants are known to turn their ADHD users into zombies and cause social akwardness." ?
because that is what I was questioning, not so much the second part of Ksa's quote, which would be my error for re-quoting it. Oops. Sometimes I need people like you to spoon feed me studies and teach me how to use the google machine because I have no idea how to do it.
 
littlepenguin said:
oh, hi alt 14...I am slightly confused, I thought I was directing my comment toward Ksa. You must be his bitc......er, 'little helper' today? oh, ok. neat.

so, since you're speaking for Ksa today, do you think you could show me in that article that you sourced, exactly where it says: "Amphetamine stimulants are known to turn their ADHD users into zombies and cause social akwardness." ?
because that is what I was questioning, not so much the second part of Ksa's quote, which would be my error for re-quoting it. Oops. Sometimes I need people like you to spoon feed me studies and teach me how to use the google machine because I have no idea how to do it.
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Yeah don't feel bad. A lot of people don't seem to be able to navigate the search engine.

I think socially awkward and zombies are not good terms to be easily medically defined. But you can just imagine how someone normally hyperactive calming down might make them feel less like themselves.

Ime, people who are true ADD with hyperactivity complain about feeling like "zombies" or similar terms, but to most other people, they are not perceived that way when on their meds. And sometimes off their meds they can be perceived as disorganized or unproductive.

And yeah, about being ksa's bitch, I just get tired of people not believing in ADD with hyperactivity. It is not stimulating to them in therapeutic doses; it's action on the brain of an ADHD is in paradoxical non-stimulation.
 
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The paradoxical effect has been well documented by patients.

A simple paradoxical graph:

paradox.jpg


Edit: Undertones of sarcasm, people
 
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alt 14 said:
I think socially awkward and zombies are not good terms to be easily medically defined. But you can just imagine how someone normally hyperactive calming down might make them feel less like themselves.
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I would say the word "zombie" belongs nowhere in anything medically defined.

sure, I can imagine lots of things. coming from someone who has adhd themselves, I feel a great relief being more calmed and organized and able to somewhat gather my thoughts, as opposed to constantly bouncing off the walls...but, what would I know? I can't even UTFSE.

alt 14 said:
And yeah, about being ksa's bitch, I just get tired of people not believing in ADD with hyperactivity. It is not stimulating to them in therapeutic doses; it's action on the brain of an ADHD is in paradoxical non-stimulation.
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I never said one word about not believing in ADD with Hyperactivity.

I never said it IS stimulating to someone with adhd in THERAPEUTIC doses.

What I was arguing originally, was that Ksa's statement appeared to be definitive, as in stating "if one has ADHD, that person can not get high off amps." to which I disagree - a person who has add, adhd, adwhatever can still absolutely get high off amps if taken at a higher dosage than prescribed.
 
Lol wut you think that just because a graph lacks units and labeled axis or two, it means it was made with crayons? The stars at the beginning of the lines make up for what the graph lacks, IMHO.

P.S. it was obviously made in a pirated and outdated version of photoshop, because he doesnt have a shortcut to the application Paint on his desktop. Using crayons on the Internet is impossible.
 
alt 14 said:
Lol wut you think that just because a graph lacks units and labeled axis or two, it means it was made with crayons? The stars at the beginning of the lines make up for what the graph lacks, IMHO.

Using crayons on the Internet is impossible.
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sim·i·le (sm-l)

noun
A figure of speech in which two essentially unlike things are compared. a simile is a part of language used in a figurative or non-literal sense.


well, since this potentially decent and informative thread has been derailed and littered with people wishing other people would kill themselves and graphs that are applicable to just about anything, I assume this is going to be locked soon. my apologies to the OP, hope you were able to draw some useful information out of this thread or others, despite the other crap.
 
a good amount of the "paradoxical" effects is propaganda to sell the drug, and make chronic use of amphetamines sound much more acceptable.
 
I am prescribed adderall instant release, and i don't take it everyday as prescribed because i feel moody when it wears off, and get headaches etc. But instead i take it like your title says "adhd script recreationally" to avoid addiction and to prevent the side effects I and other users experience from daily use even when not abused.

I personally am the opposite of you, when i take them 2-3 times a week, i dose pretty high but feel pretty social, love music, very focused, and social, sometimes but not all i feel like a "zombie" when coming down as in where i feel like isolating, not talking to anyone, not doing much etc but lasts less than half a day, then pretty much back to normal me.
 
pinpoint said:
The paradoxical effect has been well documented by patients.

A simple paradoxical graph:

paradox.jpg


Edit: Undertones of sarcasm, people
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I know this is sarcasm, but some people will misinterpret this graph and since my last post got deleted, I'll try again, now that I'm not spazing out about it.

The paradoxical response seen when stimulants are taken for ADHD, in fact isn't paradoxical at all. This graph is actually an excellent representation of the one of two ways, stimulants will reacted in different people, when they are first taken. Let me explain what I mean...

When stimulant treatments are started, they cause one of two reactions, 99.9% of the time. These reactions are; they will cause an individual to either be super focused on one thing, and one thing only. Therefore, the individual becomes unresponsive to any other stimulus going on around them, other than what they are focusing on. The second reaction is; they will cause the individual to start paying attention to everything going on around them, rather being "tuned out". However, Both reactions are an increase in attention. This effect does not differ from one person to another; the paradox is where this increase in attention is directed towards. You see what I'm getting at here?

Someone could make the argument that this, therefore, makes someone "more ADHD", however, I disagree. ADHD is characterized from person to person. Some peoples ADHD causes them to display Narcoleptic behavior (This is common in ADHD-PI). While others display mostly hyperactive behavior (common in ADHD-PH) so the stimulant med is, in theory, causing a paradoxical reaction to whatever that persons "ADHD" is like, however, it doesn't matter what "kind" of ADHD they have - the main effect is always the same; attention is increased. Most everyone, including those without ADHD, will experience "paradoxical" reactions to stimulants. However, these reactions aren't actually a paradox - the lack of tolerance is just making the stimulant more effective. This is where the graph above comes in.

Depending on the behavior that "ADHD" is causing - stimulant treatment will be so effective, that it will literally send the person way above or below, what their "normal" behavior is like. As tolerance builds up - these extreme differences will fade away and, when maximum tolerance to the current dose has been achieved, both persons, whether they have ADHD or not, will display the same reaction.

I would cite the three sources I have, however, I'm on vacation and therefore on a mobile phone. If anyone wants me to, however, I will attempt to locate them on the shitty PubMed mobile site.
 
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