PhreeX
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Yeah, it might kill you but you're not taking 170mg methadone... and he took over 600mg with no effects, the advise is to take closer to a full gram next time...Tri-nity said:
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Behemoth oral hydrocodone dose.....
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EtaipoFetish
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man good fuckin luck next time...
AtxBigBallin
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How come if anyone else put a post up like this negro or other mods would consider it junk and stop the thread? Not to mention that much hydrocodone? What would u want that high for anyway. I've been taking methadone for years and do dope quite often and with your tolerence to methadone and dope period, i couldn't imagine you wanting to experience a hydrocodone high. That seems ridiculous.
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Well you gotta understand, Hydrocodone is more of a sedated high IMO. If you took enough of it, I could see it being enjoyable. I agree with the post thing though.
negrogesic
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My post was just to see if anyone had information regarding side-effect issues with very high doses.
So am I, especially when it seemed to have such a powerfull effect on my friend at a low dose. Maybe I did get high, but it was simply too subtle to notice. But i didnt feel methadone sick in the morning like i usually do, and slept better than normal, and my pupils did become moderately constricted, so it seemed to have a noticable physical effect, it simply didnt get me high. I will try a gram, and see what turns out. I will also convert it into a salt and try IVing it again. Oh, and they didnt charge me what you see on the list, they either misweighed it or gave me extra because i had wanted the morphine powder instead but they were out of it at the moment.
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What is wrong with my post? Did i break forum guidlines? Did i not engage in a relatively intelligent discussion of recreational drugs? Is this thread any worse than most of the tripe that is posted in this forum? No, its not an extremely mind bending or thought provoking post; I simply wanted to know if anybody was aware of the consequences or possible side-effects of taking such a large dose of hydrocodone, despite my tolerance, and certain peoples opinion in general. No, im not the biggest fan of hydrocodone, but when i didnt have a tolerance, it used to get me high, even though it definately wasnt near the top of my list. But in this case, I had a bunch of hydrocodone powder, I had tried it intravenously without sucess, and simply wondered if a very large oral dose would get me high.
What is so "ridiculous" about that?
Simply because i am on methadone, doesnt mean i lack the desire to still get high, and albeit it does take excessively large doses of drugs to accomplish this, I have found that i can get high in spite of my methadone tolerance (of which i am reducing, im thinking about going to 160 this week). The most success ive had in getting high while on methadone is by taking 110-140mg of diazepam and hour and a half before injecting .5g of some good quality tar heroin. I get a rush, and I nod, which is all that i want. What is wrong with experimenting and trying to get high on other substances?
So am I, especially when it seemed to have such a powerfull effect on my friend at a low dose. Maybe I did get high, but it was simply too subtle to notice. But i didnt feel methadone sick in the morning like i usually do, and slept better than normal, and my pupils did become moderately constricted, so it seemed to have a noticable physical effect, it simply didnt get me high. I will try a gram, and see what turns out. I will also convert it into a salt and try IVing it again. Oh, and they didnt charge me what you see on the list, they either misweighed it or gave me extra because i had wanted the morphine powder instead but they were out of it at the moment.
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What is wrong with my post? Did i break forum guidlines? Did i not engage in a relatively intelligent discussion of recreational drugs? Is this thread any worse than most of the tripe that is posted in this forum? No, its not an extremely mind bending or thought provoking post; I simply wanted to know if anybody was aware of the consequences or possible side-effects of taking such a large dose of hydrocodone, despite my tolerance, and certain peoples opinion in general. No, im not the biggest fan of hydrocodone, but when i didnt have a tolerance, it used to get me high, even though it definately wasnt near the top of my list. But in this case, I had a bunch of hydrocodone powder, I had tried it intravenously without sucess, and simply wondered if a very large oral dose would get me high.
What is so "ridiculous" about that?
Simply because i am on methadone, doesnt mean i lack the desire to still get high, and albeit it does take excessively large doses of drugs to accomplish this, I have found that i can get high in spite of my methadone tolerance (of which i am reducing, im thinking about going to 160 this week). The most success ive had in getting high while on methadone is by taking 110-140mg of diazepam and hour and a half before injecting .5g of some good quality tar heroin. I get a rush, and I nod, which is all that i want. What is wrong with experimenting and trying to get high on other substances?
I can't add anything practical other than to say I don't think the post is ridiculus. That is a whopper dose and he is trying to be careful. That's good. Unfortunately it seems as if you are at a point where not much will work anymore.
blahblahblah
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Obviously you still want to get high on opiates and the only good way to do that is reducing your methadone dosage.
I don't know what your previous habit was like prior to getting on the 'done but in my experience 170mgs is over the top. The highest I ever gotten up to was 80-100mgs and that was sufficient to stabilize my body on methadone during my days of extreme dope habits.
Just curious, were you increasing your methadone dose to try and achieve a 'high'. Everybody on the program does it and I think most ppl are overmedicated while on methadone, its really a double edge sword because your basically just fucking yourself with a dose that high.
Have you ever tried to drop a significant amount (say 170mg down to 100mgs) in a 3 day period. I always found that dropping my dose when I was on a high level of 'done not to horrible, its when you start to get under 50mgs is when it really starts to hurt. For myself 60mgs was a holding dose for me where I still could break-thru and get high on heroin and still get the benefits that methadone provides.
I am sure if you dropped 30mgs one day, 20mgs the next, and 20mgs on the third day it would only take the remaining 4 days out of the week for your body to start to adjust to the new dose. Of course one would use heroin to ease any w/d experienced from the 'done. Personally using heroin to lower my methadone (prior experience) dosage is the only way to go and its really not to hard if you medicate yourself as needed.
Do you still get any effects from your daily meth dose other than it holding back and of the dope sickness at bay?
Meth can be fun at first but staying on high doses of it will just cause you to end up fucking yourself in the ass (w/ no lube) in the long run. I know its a bitch to reduce your dose but if you still want to have fun with other opiates its the only choice. If you want to stay clean off opiates methadone is practical, I just have never been a fan of methadone maintenance it does an excellent job doing. IMO methadone is best used in short detoxes or maintenance programs. I was stuck on that bullshit for over 2 years and in the long-run all it did for me was get me back on heroin. For some people long-term/high dosing of methadone is the only route and most of those ppl tend to be lifers (which is fine whatever works, right?). I have a few friends that are pushing the 9-year mark on methadone maintenance and they really have no plans to try and get off it.
IMO if you are going to have a opiate habit have one that you can enjoy (i.e. heroin). After awhile drinking your daily meth is basically like just taking a shot of water each morning and does nothing but replace a euphoric heroin habit with a methadone habit that lacks any high, but packs a knock-out punch if you happen to miss a dose.
Do be careful as you become acustom do your tolerence to methadone because it can be deadily. I had a childhood friend OD and die from just a 100mg dose (with out benzos, supposedly according to toxicology reports), this kid was a H head for years and was on 'done for 6 months when BOOM one morning his girlfriend found him stiff and blue in the morning. ANother friend OD and died off a small amount of meth (30mgs) and a couple bags of heroin. I know tolerence can make people overly confident and can have dire results. It can have strange effects
Im just rambling...![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
I don't know what your previous habit was like prior to getting on the 'done but in my experience 170mgs is over the top. The highest I ever gotten up to was 80-100mgs and that was sufficient to stabilize my body on methadone during my days of extreme dope habits.
Just curious, were you increasing your methadone dose to try and achieve a 'high'. Everybody on the program does it and I think most ppl are overmedicated while on methadone, its really a double edge sword because your basically just fucking yourself with a dose that high.
Have you ever tried to drop a significant amount (say 170mg down to 100mgs) in a 3 day period. I always found that dropping my dose when I was on a high level of 'done not to horrible, its when you start to get under 50mgs is when it really starts to hurt. For myself 60mgs was a holding dose for me where I still could break-thru and get high on heroin and still get the benefits that methadone provides.
I am sure if you dropped 30mgs one day, 20mgs the next, and 20mgs on the third day it would only take the remaining 4 days out of the week for your body to start to adjust to the new dose. Of course one would use heroin to ease any w/d experienced from the 'done. Personally using heroin to lower my methadone (prior experience) dosage is the only way to go and its really not to hard if you medicate yourself as needed.
Do you still get any effects from your daily meth dose other than it holding back and of the dope sickness at bay?
Meth can be fun at first but staying on high doses of it will just cause you to end up fucking yourself in the ass (w/ no lube) in the long run. I know its a bitch to reduce your dose but if you still want to have fun with other opiates its the only choice. If you want to stay clean off opiates methadone is practical, I just have never been a fan of methadone maintenance it does an excellent job doing. IMO methadone is best used in short detoxes or maintenance programs. I was stuck on that bullshit for over 2 years and in the long-run all it did for me was get me back on heroin. For some people long-term/high dosing of methadone is the only route and most of those ppl tend to be lifers (which is fine whatever works, right?). I have a few friends that are pushing the 9-year mark on methadone maintenance and they really have no plans to try and get off it.
IMO if you are going to have a opiate habit have one that you can enjoy (i.e. heroin). After awhile drinking your daily meth is basically like just taking a shot of water each morning and does nothing but replace a euphoric heroin habit with a methadone habit that lacks any high, but packs a knock-out punch if you happen to miss a dose.
Do be careful as you become acustom do your tolerence to methadone because it can be deadily. I had a childhood friend OD and die from just a 100mg dose (with out benzos, supposedly according to toxicology reports), this kid was a H head for years and was on 'done for 6 months when BOOM one morning his girlfriend found him stiff and blue in the morning. ANother friend OD and died off a small amount of meth (30mgs) and a couple bags of heroin. I know tolerence can make people overly confident and can have dire results. It can have strange effects
Im just rambling...
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200 mg a day of hydro would kill you? i was taking 300 mg a day for about 3 months! It just cost too damn much, and was ruining my life and marriage. now i'm on subutex and have not taken hydro in 15 days. that is the longest i've gone in 3 years. Substituting one drug for another is not great, but 1-2 pills a day that insurance pays for, versus $100 a day and 30 pills....we'll that's a no brainer. plus the subutex has lower w/d symptoms, and is easier to taper. but there's that "tolerance" thing again....i remember the good old days when i could take ONE 5mg hydro and get wrecked. I was up to 7-8 in one DOSE just to get a buzz that would be gone in 2 hours.
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Negro,
Why not use this stockpile of short half-life opiates to get off the 'done? I mean, if you spent a few months carefully medicating yourself everyday (so as not to OD trying to stave off methadone WD's) then you would conceivably be through the 'done habit, and just have a huge standard opiate tolerance. Then, withdrawal may be a bitch, but at least it would last 7 days instead of a few months. You probably thought of this already, but I couldn't help pointing it out.
Why not use this stockpile of short half-life opiates to get off the 'done? I mean, if you spent a few months carefully medicating yourself everyday (so as not to OD trying to stave off methadone WD's) then you would conceivably be through the 'done habit, and just have a huge standard opiate tolerance. Then, withdrawal may be a bitch, but at least it would last 7 days instead of a few months. You probably thought of this already, but I couldn't help pointing it out.
negrogesic
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Read my posts. I said i have been decreasing my methadone, i am now on 170mg, from 180mg, and this week im thinking of going down to 160. I get the 10mg pills (used to get liquid, got pills by request and are more expensive), and i havent told the clinic i am tapering, so I take 170mg or 17 pills, and have been saving one each day. Ive saved 16 pills so far. When i go to 160mg, i will save two. Same when i go down to 150mg, so i will have a large methadone stockpile, and evidently methadone is worth quite a bit (like 50 cents/mg, even as high as $1/mg). I will have many pills after a while.
But the lower i go, the more the heroin shots effect me, and eventually (probably at 40-60mg methadone) i can snort an oc80 and get high from it!
blahblahblah
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Yea methadone stashs always come in handy. Are the the 10mg Methadose? I have heard people complain those saying they noticed a diffeerence in the holding power, or something.
I know when I was switched brands of methadone, 1rst one was pink liquid than they switched to a clearer liquid if I am not mistaking. I should have remembered the brand names, anyways...
There was a noticeable effect in the quality of the methadone, it definitely didn't hold you as long. They changed syrups on us blindly and alot of people all started complaining about the methadone and they admitted the switched to a cheaper version. They switched back quick, they weren't using computer calibrated or whatever measuring methods. It was more basic, and I wouldnt doubt som eof the nurses dipping into patients methadone or at least fucking with peoples by teetering the dose - or + 2mgs. Fuck that shit, glad I don't have to deal with that.
I remember 40mgs would go for $20 bucks (that was outside the clinic) ^delete that if its price shit but its just a reference so it shouldnt matter
I know when I was switched brands of methadone, 1rst one was pink liquid than they switched to a clearer liquid if I am not mistaking. I should have remembered the brand names, anyways...
There was a noticeable effect in the quality of the methadone, it definitely didn't hold you as long. They changed syrups on us blindly and alot of people all started complaining about the methadone and they admitted the switched to a cheaper version. They switched back quick, they weren't using computer calibrated or whatever measuring methods. It was more basic, and I wouldnt doubt som eof the nurses dipping into patients methadone or at least fucking with peoples by teetering the dose - or + 2mgs. Fuck that shit, glad I don't have to deal with that.
I remember 40mgs would go for $20 bucks (that was outside the clinic) ^delete that if its price shit but its just a reference so it shouldnt matter
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Too bad I didn't post my experience with oral oxy and methadone first. I am on 90 mgs of meth and I didn't feel 225 mgs of oxycodone 15 15 mg roxicodone. As soon as I read your first post I knew you probally wouldn't get high. Sorry you wasted so much of a drug, next time just buy heroin.
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Trust me, needing to take such a large dose of drugs to get high isn't something you brag about, it is more of a curse. I miss the days of getting high from less than 6 bags of dope and 40 mgs of oxy making me nod. I don't think he's bragging anyway, just telling people what he's up to and asking for suggestions/advice. I personally found this thread to be a lot more intresting than the usual "will this drug get me fuxxored" thread.
negrogesic
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So I am bragging about being on such a high dose of methadone that i have to waste good drugs and i have to go through hell to catch a shitty buzz? Shit, i would murder you, your family and extended family if i could snort an oc40 and get high (there was a time when i could, believe it or not!). I wouldnt wish this on my worse adversary. You obviously have no idea....
who mE?
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I still think that the only answer is Ultra Low Dose Naltrexone to lower the methadone tolerance to a reasonable level without painful side effects. http://dilaudid.net/uldntx.shtml
The theory is that if 1/5000th of a usual naltrexone dose is administered once a day along with a large dose of an opiate agonist, a persons tolerance will decrease, while the pleasureful opiate effects remain.
For example negrogesic could take 10mcg of naltrexone a day to lower his methadone dose to 60mg, then he could consider substituting a shorter acting opiate (heroin is most cost effective) to lower his tolerance to a level where buprenorphine could be considered an option. After a month or so on buprenorphine with tapering doses, he could eventually have no opiate tolerance.
At this point the hydrocodone powder (or money gained from sale of such) would be much more useful, as it could be injected at reasonably low doses yielding a much better high than he ever got from methadone.
The theory is that if 1/5000th of a usual naltrexone dose is administered once a day along with a large dose of an opiate agonist, a persons tolerance will decrease, while the pleasureful opiate effects remain.
For example negrogesic could take 10mcg of naltrexone a day to lower his methadone dose to 60mg, then he could consider substituting a shorter acting opiate (heroin is most cost effective) to lower his tolerance to a level where buprenorphine could be considered an option. After a month or so on buprenorphine with tapering doses, he could eventually have no opiate tolerance.
At this point the hydrocodone powder (or money gained from sale of such) would be much more useful, as it could be injected at reasonably low doses yielding a much better high than he ever got from methadone.
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I know I'm late to reply anything but hopefully this'll be of some assistance...
Anyway- the side effect I'd be most concerned with would be the pressure built up from fluid retention in the head- I know that deafness can result.
I've taken enough hydro before where that's manifested itself in a small but noticeable way- that and shallow (more difficult breathing).
In my case it was a lot less, but I've been using it for under a year. and have never gone above 75mg. Day... take breaks, mix it up, etc.
About 15 years ago I had a heroin binge that lasted a good year or so... that and (good old days) black opiated hash. Really didn't know anything and was pretty much alone in my use... But I don't recall any of these effects (other than the obvious sickness and sometimes I'd puke right after the rush). So I would say these side effects are a hydro thing.
WD was harsh. If the clinic in Alexandria didn't make it so hard I wouldn't have kicked. But what's interesting in my case is that in the years that passed my tolerance has gone back to zero. And managing the lower-ish dosages has (so far) not been terrible, though slightly uncomfortable from time to time. I'm saying all that to make the point that it's possible to reduce the tolerance and maybe even manage it... I'll let you know in a year or so if my source doesn't dry up. Which it probably will.
Anyways- good luck
Anyway- the side effect I'd be most concerned with would be the pressure built up from fluid retention in the head- I know that deafness can result.
I've taken enough hydro before where that's manifested itself in a small but noticeable way- that and shallow (more difficult breathing).
In my case it was a lot less, but I've been using it for under a year. and have never gone above 75mg. Day... take breaks, mix it up, etc.
About 15 years ago I had a heroin binge that lasted a good year or so... that and (good old days) black opiated hash. Really didn't know anything and was pretty much alone in my use... But I don't recall any of these effects (other than the obvious sickness and sometimes I'd puke right after the rush). So I would say these side effects are a hydro thing.
WD was harsh. If the clinic in Alexandria didn't make it so hard I wouldn't have kicked. But what's interesting in my case is that in the years that passed my tolerance has gone back to zero. And managing the lower-ish dosages has (so far) not been terrible, though slightly uncomfortable from time to time. I'm saying all that to make the point that it's possible to reduce the tolerance and maybe even manage it... I'll let you know in a year or so if my source doesn't dry up. Which it probably will.
Anyways- good luck