Beginner's Dosage Guide

[mdmantpa]

thanks for everyone's input! I would greatly appreciate some Meth info or any other major drugs that have not been added yet! Thanks guys

 

[rangrz]

PS- If anyone has information on Methamphetamine, PCP, Research Chems, or anything else that is not listed it would be GREATLY appreciated! Thanks a lot guys!

meth. 20mg oral is good, strong, but resonable dose for a newb.

PCP...5mg smoked on a cig- a decent but not overwhelming trip.

2ct21-7mg was a nice dose orally.

benzylpiperazine/trifloromethylphenylpiperazine as a combo. 100mg BZP and 40mg TFMPP provide a nice light/beginner dose.

 

[mdmantpa]

rangerz thank you, I appreciate the help. You wouldnt know any IV , intranasl or inhalation dosages on meth would you? I ask just because I dont hear about a lot of people taking meth orally. Thanks though

 

[OCFasho]

i liked it, good post

 

[rangrz]

nasal meth: 15mg or so, smoked, its hard to guess cause everyone smokes different, and I diddnt IV as a newb lol.

pethidine,meperdine/demerol: 100mg -120mg (2 of the 60mg pills or one of the 100's)

 

[rangrz]

propylamphetamine 50mg orally.
methcathinone 60mg.

 

[morphene]

Hey man, nice effort. For me it seems fairly uneven as even for unexperienced some things imo some things range from barely a dose to quite high, but I know I'd have the exact same thing if I had made one.

I'm a little uneasy about suggesting initial doses as I think often I'd call them somewhat or a lot higher than you, so I just wanted to take a bit of a whack at a few that seemed problematic. I know it's your experiences but I think if you're going to out and publish something like this you have to account for a bit more in some cases. No dis at all.

(if you don't care about the rest, make sure you change the tar heroin per my comments)

Oxyocodone(Percocet/Oxycontin)- 15-20mg no more than every 4 hours(orally, preferably without APAP), 10-15mg (snorting), and I would recommend not IV'ing pills in general, especially if you don't have any tolerance or idea how much you should do. This is an Overdose waiting to happen!...however if you must, I would start with probably 10mg, and have a sitter with you.

Seems on the lower side to me, but it's your experience. One thing I'd point out is that oral is going to average higher than intranasal yet your ranges can have you taking twice as much. Also iv bioavailabilty can be 2x as much as intranasal yet you're taking the same amount. High BA via oral + high content of binders in popular brands + nothing too interesting about iv oxycodone vs other opioids makes it a particularly poor choice for iv even for pills.

Morphine- 45mg (Orally), 60mg (Snorting), 15mg(IV)

Hydromorphone(Dilaudid)- 8-12mg (Orally), 8mg (Snorting), 4mg (IV)

Morphine iv amount is twice the oral morphine or your oxycodone amounts.

Dilaudid seems in line with my feelings but quite high for yours. Oral 2x-3x higher than oxycodone, iv 4x as much as oxycodone.

Heroin(Brown/Skag/H/Raw/Scramble)- 50mg (Snorting), 50-100mg (Smoking), 25mg (IV), Injecting street Heroin is very dangerous, especially when you do not know how pure it is, what it was cut with, or how to properly and safely inject, please have a sitter for you first few times.*These dosages were for US Heroin #4, specifically brown powder heroin. For black tar Heroin it has been suggested to use approximately 0.25g

Numbers for columbian #4 seem OK to me nothing dangerous even for high test but it seems to me you used dope on the low end of the scale as compared to your oxycodone numbers, good new jersey dope would be 2x-3x compared to the oxy intranasal #'s and 2x iv. I'd suggest using ranges like 25mg-50mg snorting and 15mg-25mg iv to match account for purity and your oxy amounts.

Your black tar suggestion could easily be ten times your columbian

Mexican black tar #3 varies a lot like the columbian, and is on average a little less potent, but it's not a world of difference than east coast. Traditionally it was lower, and in some places it's a great deal lower because of history but that's the exception. Where I live it's ~40%-50% purity, similar to what i think your columbian is. Unaddicted or non-tolerant users here will often regularly smoke 100mg for a considerable high or 50mg iv. That's about twice the amount as your listed columbian iv dose

Alprazolam(Xanax/Bars) 1-2mg (Orally), Snorting or IV'ing benzos in pill form is just not worth it IMO because of how much filler/binder is in the pill.

Diazepam(Valium)- 10-20mg(Orally)

Most people will get a strong reaction from 1mg of alprazolam initially. I know you said "some people say they need 2mg" but if you don't 2mg may do you as well as 1mg but quickly raise your bodies expectations.

Either way, your valium is equivalent to .5mg-1mg of alprazolam, so one or the other.

*Nutmeg- 2 big or 3 smaller nuts (Orally)

Pretty much a thing to never take, but when i did once I took 1/3-1/2 of that, freshly grated, woke up the next day and was so heavily sedated and groggy all day it was a real problem, would never suggest any amount to anyone but never that much.

*MDPV- 5-7.5mg (Snorted)

Avoid over 10mg in a moderate period of time or it can be pretty distressing, better to say 3-6mg snorted, 2-4mg vaporized

*Methamphetamine(Meth, Crystal, Tina)- 20mg (Orally) 15mg (Snorted)

10-20mg snorted 10-20mg smoked in my opinion.


And yes it's clear I used some bioavailability numbers and equiv charts while I was writing, but I have a good amount of experience with everything there except the nutmeg and everything fits my feel of it, just some reminders etc. I skipped some I kinda had issues with but hey :D Don't care if you use em beyond ditching the tar but I thought I'd help out.

Cheers,

 

[mdmantpa]

Morphene, thank you very much. I really appreciate the time you took to give honest constructive feedback, all the while being very respectful. You don't know how nice it is, instead of having someone say "look motherfucker, I think your an idiot" lol.

Yeah as far as the descrepencies between opiate/benzo amounts, like I said I was only publishing my experiences, as that is how my body reacted and processed those drugs. I stated that I strongly recommend them doing their own independent research, using this only as one of many tools.

About the tar, I apologize, that was told to me by another BLer. I have no experience with tar, so thank you for fixing that. I would absolutely feel awful if I ever put something up at a dose that hurt someone, as this was meant to be for harm-reduction. That's why you might think some of the doses are conservative, but I also tryed to take into account that newbs would be more prone to side effects before their bodies got used to the drug. They could probably handle more opiates, but it might give them a bad experience if they are feeling sick, throwing up, or scratching their skin off lol.

Anyways, thank you once again, you are definitely an asset to BL, and I respect you for that.

 

[Oxyrisin2]

I would like to suggest that 2 to 3mgs of Zanax might be a little high.
I'm EXPERIENCED with meds but 1mg of zanax had me blacking out. And that was with nothing else. I would sugest nothing more than 1mg.
Thanks.
Good job though

 

[mdmantpa]

Hey thanks a lot man, and I do believe I had changed the xanax a while ago to 1-2mgs. If not I will correct it, as 3mg is way too much for a first time IMO. I appreciate the comments though!

 

[2old4discrap]

To the OP and anyone elseplease:

I have been on MS Contin since 2006 for Chronic (Neuropathy) Pain ... started at 30mg BID, then 45mg, and now 60mg : scripted: BUT Iam taking 75mg BID because the 60 leaves me buzzing, lost, sorta high but not pleasant, and confused, forgetful ... like that.

I don't know if I am already into WD at 60mg (ie my Tolerance is above what I'm taking) - but life is sure a lot more pleasant at 75mg. At 60 not much happens at all. First question is "What is happening there ... ?"

My Doc raised me from 45 to 60 three weeks ago, but that only eliminated about 1/2 of the 'sick' feeling, but did eliminate the pain which was breaking thru a bit. Going to 75mg twice daily really fixed things up nicely,nearly - if I disregard all the other 'crazy' that has come into my life / head in the last year - which is all normal for Morphine as much as I can find out from reading.

My Doc would go ballistic* if she knew about the extra 15mg - she already 'punished me' by keeping me at 45 for 18 months for not keeping on trying to switch to Lyrica while still continuing the MsContin in parallel: I got so 'drug sick' that friends sent me to Emerg and they kept me 10 days in the Psych ward - WDing the Lyrica and leaving me on the morphine.
*.. out of fear of losing her ticket, I think, with the new clampdown by the Feds here (Canada).

I have enuff of the 15s to keep the higher dose going for about 60 days - but I really want to get it paid for by my Government Plan, and to keep my remaining 15s as an 'Emergency Medicine' - because I'm old enough to know that per Murphy " ... it WILL GO WRONG !'

In this small burg there is currently no Pain Doc, so I am stuck with my present one, who is mostly 'Moms & Babies' ... anyway, sorry ... here's the 2nd question:

Just how high a dosage can I probably manage before I will have to leave the MS Contin for something like Lyrica. I am 67 yo and a Type 1 (injecting) Diabetic for 35 years.
I came off alcohol in 1979 (drank 25 years), and benzos after a 6 year taper (30+ years using 80->110mg /day) in 2007; the '70s were very good to me too! - but I didn't work up any other (chemical) addictions.

I am not in touch with "the street" any more, and though I worked for The Detox Center here for some years, it was totally with alcoholics.
This BL forum, which I have lurked awhile, seems to be the only place I can turn to for information. Thanxall for being available, and for any info you can send my way.

/ 2OLD

 

[mdmantpa]

Hey sorry to here about this...you might have better luck if you PM a mod, or create a thread in either the Other Drugs forum or the Basic Drug Discussion Forum. As I am not a doctor, I don't feel comfortable giving any medical advice past advising you to get in touch with another doctor. Even if you can't switch docs for practical reasons, by speaking to another doctor in the same line of work, it might provide you with accurate information that will help inform you and help for your current doctors visits. Good luck, and I'm sorry that you are having such bad times.

 

[i-POOP-outside]

Big Ups'.................Great Post, Bro

 

[mdmantpa]

Much appreciated, Hope it helps some.

 

[Too many doses]

I have a question about dosing and it doesn't warrent a new thread so I want to ask it here. The opiate equivalencey charts are only for analgesia so I want to know looking at euphoria how many mgs of hydromorphone insufflated would equal say 100mg of oxy? I frequently used dilaudid in the past but only IV(not trying to do that again) and never more than 4mgs in a shot. Thank you for taking the time to respond .

Edit: forgot to add I'm nowhere near opiate naive.

 

[daysonatrain]

cool post man, thanks for the effort.

a couple critiques of mine-
lsa- i think 10 seeds is a bit much for a first dose, these seeds can vary greatly and i would suggest 6 seeds as a starting dose, ive tripped hard on 6 seeds and other times not even felt it. best to start low.

mushies- up to 3.5 grams? again these can vary in potency greatly, but an 1/8 of decent shrooms can really fuck a novice up, i took 2.5 grams the first time and since then (in nearly a hundred trips) have barely tripped as hard. breaking your "psychedelic cherry" is always the most intense, i say start low.

Again, both of these are natural substances and their drug content can vary quite a bit.

thanks for the list man

 

[mdmantpa]

no problem...I had half an eighth orignially 1.75g but enough people bitched that it was wayy too low so I changed it

 

[nicroy52]

Thanks for this, this is some usefull information. Also
100-120mg MDMA is concidered the "sweet spot" for most users to get the full exp without being floored.

 

[franklin48]

i just scanned through this, and i noticed 2 things: 1. 20mg of methadone would probably be too much for a beginner. i would suggest starting viagra dosage w/ 10mg. 2. 2mg of xanax would knock some people out and i would suggest 1mg for a beginner.

Why we need to know a dosage about cocaine. It's for addicts noobs?

 

[shrimps2004]

popped 4 hydros with no tolerance face turned all white and blue circles around eves be careful