Beginner cycle stacking

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anonuser1

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Looking for some advice. About to start my first cycle of heavy test. My guy says I should stack test enanthate and tren. Is that over kill? I'm looking more for cardio and strength gains than bulk gains. Opinions?
 
Yeah tren is a no go for your first cycle keep it simple eat clean and work hard and you will get big. Stay with test and only test for your first cycle; with the small possibility of an oral for a kick start.
 
I agree with the Test for a first cycle, 500mg/wk. No need for a kickstart either, a) even Test E reaches peak release within 24 hours, b) when you've never used before, any amount is going to be like a party for the body, and c) tapering up (whether by gradual accumulation caused by overlapping half-lives, or intentional step-up dose design) is a very useful tool for potentiating AAS.
 
True though the test really dose not hit its stride of tissue growth for a few weeks, and some guys get discouraged at the lack of immediate growth, so a kick is not that uncommon for a first cycle. Though I highly recommend you limit your exposure to one compound at a time so you know what is doing what and when.
 
In terms of time taken to "kick in". This is what people would use to describe the time taken to see a therapeutic effect, there isn't always a strong correlation between drug concentration at the receptor site and therapeutic effect. This is particularly true for AAS because they work through the androgen (steroid hormone) receptor which acts through gene transcription, this has the longest latency between receptor activation and effect compared with any other receptor type. Also the drug may very well be having an effect even though the user isn't aware of it.
 
Also the drug may very well be having an effect even though the user isn't aware of it.

That my friend is why most people get antsy and go higher or pile on the compounds, too soon, too often and too much.
 
Neoprimitive said:
Also the drug may very well be having an effect even though the user isn't aware of it.

That my friend is why most people get antsy and go higher or pile on the compounds, too soon, too often and too much.
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Yep Neo..... Its already in there doing its stuff... People are too impatient.. !!

Another interpretation:
A lot of the effects of AAS on muscle are genomic, to where after binding the AR a transcriptional process leading to protein formation and those proteins doing their thing will take place, and this will have an action that isn't immediately visible. But the process starts immediately, even if the eventual effect is only noticeable a week later. That also means when you stop, this same process that was started with your last injection will also continue to work for the same period of time after. So regardless of when the effect occurs, you get ten weeks worth out of a ten week cycle.
 
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Indeed I just find it rather interesting you have a lot of guys that are individually pretty smart men, doing the most asinine stuff when it comes to AAS usage.
 
A lot of good answers here, one thing i'd like to add (with 11 years of aas experience) is that when first starting any aas (and test is the way to go) is that when you're only on test you'll know for the future how you'll react to it and whether it's "your" steroid of choice or just right for you, for most it is. When you first start and if your running multiple compounds and get sides BP/anxiety/lipids/estro etc. you wont know what's doing what and therefore what to drop or add. And i'd like to add that for me tren is as strong a mind fuck as anything ever, so for a new guy it's no no...
 
The OP was just your typical cat at a gym getting advise from the guy selling him the gear, of course hes goign to tell him to buy tren, thats like the car salesman telling you you need the extended warranty. It just goes to show you that you really need to do a little research and temper it with a good bit of common sense before you dive head long into the pool( other wise you just may break you neck in the shallow end, or drown in the deep end.)
 
Why has nobody asked the op any details?
The first thing before advising test only for a first cycle is to find out age, experiance, bf, weight and height...

Assuming he is sub 15% body fat, at least 21 preferably older, has a solid foundation , years of experiance and is areasonable build, I would reccomend sticking to the rules within the steroid starter stickie... I reccomend 4-600mg test e or c or a t400 mix of e c or d with a 4 week kicker of 30mg dbol.

The op clearly knows nothing about aas and nobody should be entertaining the idea of giving him advice ...

New phone btw...
 
Good call on that, I think it gets to the point where we should just ask the obvious but some times we miss. Welcome back Nolys.
 
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