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been doing cwe twice a day for 2 years worried about liver

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thisisntgood

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Swim has been doing cwe in the fridge filtered through a paper towel 1-2 times a day either 6 panafen plus or 6 panedeine extra tabs. 12 & 15mg codeine respectively (x6) Usually disolved in 70ml fridge temp water. Results are nearly clear water each time.

Liver enzymes were up 6 months ago, have not retested yet but am getting worried as liver gets tender to touch sometimes.

Swim drinks 3-4 times a week approx 7 drinks each time but does not do cwe on those nights.

Worried. Or overreacting?
Thanks for replies
 
First off, hello and welcome. Second, please, please, please don't use swim. You aren't helpin anyone by doing that. Anyways:

Possibly overreacting, but since there is no way of accurately measuring the amount of APAP in your cwe, it is very possible you've done damage. No reason to chance it. Go to a doctor and tell them it's tender where your liver is. They then will tell you what's up with your liver.
 
If your solution comes out even slightly cloudy there's a more of a chance the paracetamol is coming through than if it's clear. Also if you are keeping your solution cold using the fridge, less paracetamol will dissolve in the water. If you are getting lazy and not using cold water and your solution is cloudy, I'd say there's a good chance you're getting more than your fair share of paracetamol and if that's the case, you may very well have liver damage. I assume you knew the risks when you started though, so can't imagine you got that lax with the CWE. But how you can do a proper filtration with a paper towel I do not know.

Just tell your doc you've been taking too much paracetamol. Don't say why, and ask for a liver enzyme test. That will tell you whether you have done some damage.
 
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Thanks for your replies. The reason I use the paper towels is because they are quite stiff and non absorbent, like a coffee filter and they provided the best results of all the methods I tried.

You are all correct, I'll go get a checkup. Thanks.
 
^What brand of paper towels do you get that are stiff and non absorbent? I thought the goal of paper towels was to absorb, hence commercials for them praising their ability to absorb better than others.
 
^ lmao yeah i wanna know too and yeah just go to the doctor and get your liver checked out and just tell em you take a lot of tylenol.
 
haha imagine those course paper towels for your hands in restrooms but thinner

theyre a budget supermarket brand, very similar to a coffee filter and don't absorb squat. if you had to use them as toilet paper your asshole would get broken

I've got a complete set of bloodwork lined up in three days time and i'm going to eat greens only to try and get my diet reasonably healthy for the test and after

cheers
 
why are you taking it in the first place, codeine is pretty shit once the novelty wears off, get a grip man, get yourself sorted.
 
The liver is one of the only organs that is able to regenerate itself if the damage is not too severe. The best supplement you can take is milk thistle. Buy some, it really does work.
 
Artificial Emotion said:
The liver is one of the only organs that is able to regenerate itself if the damage is not too severe. The best supplement you can take is milk thistle. Buy some, it really does work.
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This is I can back up 100%. I swear it keeps me alive! I tend to take it for 3 months at a time then have a break for a few weeks and start again. Get the best quality you can afford. Water water water too...flush it all out.
 
I would not do a CWE every day for 2 years. I'd rather smoke heroin everyday for 2 years, which I did. It would have to be properly extracted codeine with all APAP accounted for afterwards. Obviously this would be done on a large scale in weekly or fortnightly batches.
 
Artificial Emotion said:
The liver is one of the only organs that is able to regenerate itself if the damage is not too severe. The best supplement you can take is milk thistle. Buy some, it really does work.
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Scarring of the liver (cirrhosis) is not reversible. The liver is very resilient but its a misconception that you can bludgeon it with things like APAP and alcohol and when you stop it will heal itself 100%.

Should note it takes a lot of abuse to cause cirrhosis, years of alcoholic or viral hepatitis and fatty liver condition occur before the permanent damage begins. But a one time heavy abuse can cause scarring, too, like an APAP overdose or heavy alcohol abuse coupled with a high dose of APAP.
 
Eat methionine - in the UK, paracetamol & methionine are given to suicidal patients. I know you can take 100 without liver damage. Methionine is from health-food shops. The pills are 400Mg APAP/200Mg methionine are called Paradote. I think they are standard in UK prisons.
 
Thanks for the replies. I shit ok because I guess 60mg of codeine isn't much compared to some people anyway.
Got full blood tests back and my liver results were within normal range. Cholesterol was slightly high. Also got xrays done to address pain problem.
Anyway I felt good being off the c for 4 days no withdrawals so I won't bother doing it anymore. Yes I've started taking milk thistle and Wheatgrass to maintain stomach ph.
Thanks again, good forum. Cheers.
 
clubcard said:
Eat methionine - in the UK, paracetamol & methionine are given to suicidal patients. I know you can take 100 without liver damage. Methionine is from health-food shops. The pills are 400Mg APAP/200Mg methionine are called Paradote. I think they are standard in UK prisons.
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I looked up methionine supplements, not sure if you're taking the piss though referring to the suicidal and taking WITH apap? Why would you take both?
 
All this brings back memories of all those CWE I used to do before I went on sub. Awh miss it.

Yea go for liver test. Go you've been drinking a lot off alcohol. Don't say paracetamol or doc may become suspicious.

Tryp i would love to try H once but unfortunately I haven't a clue how I contact dealers etc so I'll stick with my suboxone. Its interesting all these drug discussion. Im glad I came here :)
 
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thisisntgood said:
I looked up methionine supplements, not sure if you're taking the piss though referring to the suicidal and taking WITH apap? Why would you take both?
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Each pill has 500mg (my typo) of APAP and 200mg of methionine - not separate pills. Sensible since giving suicidal people a months worth of opioids is obviously to be avoided.
 
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