Misc Be safe out their with your GHB and precursors.

[Methamphetanonymous]

Gamma Butyrolactone. GBL.

It's the precursor chemical to Gamme hydroxybutylate or GHB, a serious as fuck GABA drug. GBL is a solvent and is used in industrial settings as a heavy duty cleaning agent, nail polish remover, and paint thinner. It rapidly converts in the body in a very dirty metabolic process into GHB and is absorbed into the brain.

It hits much harder, much faster, and is way more touchy when it comes to dosage the GHB proper but GBL is still very available to purchase on Amazon and other clearnet sites, whereas GHB is not.


I got a bottle of GBL a month ago just to experiment since I found it on Amazon. I always dosed pretty carefully, and it was nice for sleep it felt like being drunk but without the sloppy negative side effects and hangover of alcohol plus a bit more sexual desire. I had used it once every few days, measured my doses carefully, and three nights ago said fuck it i don't work tomorrow and it's been three hours, I'm going to take a full redose. I sat down on my bed and was playing a game on my phone. I looked up for my wife in the hallway, and instead saw four paramedics and my crying wife standing above me yelling my name

It's like they appeared out of thin air. I was told later than an hour passed from me leaving the bathroom and this scene, and in the last 20 minutes of that hour my wife found me in bed, eyes wide open, groaning as though I was in pain and entirely unresponsive to her voice or waving in front of my face or shaking me. For the following hour I was carried out of my house to a stretcher and ambulance because I couldn't walk, I couldn't answer questions like my own birthday, my wife's name, even the current year. I barely remember riding to the hospital or being checked in, just dreamlike flashes and scenes.

I found out by measuring my bottle later that I blacked out and forgot I redosed, and took a third dose. I still have no idea what was happening to be when I was catatonic but, its something that's never happened to me before in my life. We are expecting our first child in May, and everybody was terrified I was having a stroke at 32.

I tossed and flushed the rest of that bullshit. Luckily i was very careful at making sure I didn't use back to back days in a row and even took multi day breaks to avoid any hint of a withdrawal period and was able to cut it off and walk away.


Honestly it wasn't anywhere close to a pleasurable enough high to warrant a risk profile like that. Be careful using this stuff.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Same here, they never were able to ban GBL, now you need a official garage [att].
On paper, that was all needed to legally get GBL, as Rim cleaner.

But the GBL i bought more then 25 year s ago was, Foodgrade & 99.8 % [about] pure.
Wonder what specifications GBL industrial grade has to comply too.
Do you know the grade, have a paper with the analyses btw.
Obvious the standard is lower, never researched it btw so it might not matter.

But if it does and there is a certain % of pollution/ residue of the making proces.
i d be worried what, and def have it analyzed [free here] .
25 years ago lets stop as its gonna be illegal within ...
well where i recide now. The rates of GHB/ GBL addicted kids is still sky high.

Never went away in the bible belt, their youth only sunk deeper in the drug pit.
Add Ketamine addicts, Alcohol abuse and 3-MMC.
While they can get MDMA, Speed and Coke.
3-MMC after 4-MMC became a real hit for the 16 + group.

 

[Esperighanto]

Never went away in the bible belt, their youth only sunk deeper in the drug pit.
Add Ketamine addicts, Alcohol abuse and 3-MMC.
While they can get MDMA, Speed and Coke.
3-MMC after 4-MMC became a real hit for the 16 + group.

It would be off topic for this thread in a way, but I'd love to hear about teenagers using cathinones if you're talking about the USA, I doubt any teenaged drug users I knew would've even consdiered it. When I lived in Florida from the end of the 2010s into covid-times, GHB and pyros/caths were popular but only among adults, GHB was usually produced and sold by high schoolers though. All the kids knew to avoid "hood molly", as the dealers called cathinones, and many avoided GHB viewing it as a drug for date rape and gay clubs. GHB's disinhibiting power and the way that even hearing about GHB can bring homophobia out of people has left many people severely beaten and unconscious behind night life establishments in Florida, it's odd how violent GHB can make people.

 

[Methamphetanonymous]

It would be off topic for this thread in a way, but I'd love to hear about teenagers using cathinones if you're talking about the USA, I doubt any teenaged drug users I knew would've even consdiered it. When I lived in Florida from the end of the 2010s into covid-times, GHB and pyros/caths were popular but only among adults, GHB was usually produced and sold by high schoolers though. All the kids knew to avoid "hood molly", as the dealers called cathinones, and many avoided GHB viewing it as a drug for date rape and gay clubs. GHB's disinhibiting power and the way that even hearing about GHB can bring homophobia out of people has left many people severely beaten and unconscious behind night life establishments in Florida, it's odd how violent GHB can make people.

As a Millennial I always knew of GHB as a date rape drug in the 90s like roofies, and don't know anybody whose mentioned using one if the synthetic cathinones. I bet if I asked around five or six close friends in my age group that I could choose based on their drug use background none or maybe only one of them would be familiar with GHB, 4MMC, or 3MMC at all.

I agree with you from my interpretation on Gen Z's background culture but in my interviews with meth users a shocking and troublingly large portion of users were middle class urban high-schoolers around ages 14-19 of Gen Alpha. They also reported using or at least unexpected familiarity with less popular more exotic drugs and research chemicals.

MDMA heavy daily abuse was also saddening to have noticed come up multiple times. The drug use habits of Gen Alpha at such a young age seem very different than my generation and the following one.

I'm also interested to hear more about this as it's entirely likely my subjects who I sought out for their meth use simply are disproportionately embedded in drug culture. I think there's more to it than just sample bias, but I want to find out

 

[Esperighanto]

As a Millennial I always knew of GHB as a date rape drug in the 90s like roofies, and don't know anybody whose mentioned using one if the synthetic cathinones. I bet if I asked around five or six close friends in my age group that I could choose based on their drug use background none or maybe only one of them would be familiar with GHB, 4MMC, or 3MMC at all.

I agree with you from my interpretation on Gen Z's background culture but in my interviews with meth users a shocking and troublingly large portion of users were middle class urban high-schoolers around ages 14-19 of Gen Alpha. They also reported using or at least unexpected familiarity with less popular more exotic drugs and research chemicals.

MDMA heavy daily abuse was also saddening to have noticed come up multiple times. The drug use habits of Gen Alpha at such a young age seem very different than my generation and the following one.

I'm also interested to hear more about this as it's entirely likely my subjects who I sought out for their meth use simply are disproportionately embedded in drug culture. I think there's more to it than just sample bias, but I want to find out

Interesting, it seems like concerns surrounding health are either much more intense, or much less intense among younger people. I'm in my mid-20's and people younger than me are often so chemophobic that they refuse to touch prescription drugs, LSD, 2C-B, etc, but will gladly consume known toxins like mad honey or non-decarbed amanitas because they're natural.

Most people around my age and younger who use methamphetamine didn't start on purpose, but when the counterfeit addies that last 18 hours are available AND they're cheaper than the redirected prescription ones that last 6 hours and feel shittier, I feel like market's already made its own decision in a way.

 

[Methamphetanonymous]

Interesting, it seems like concerns surrounding health are either much more intense, or much less intense among younger people. I'm in my mid-20's and people younger than me are often so chemophobic that they refuse to touch prescription drugs, LSD, 2C-B, etc, but will gladly consume known toxins like mad honey or non-decarbed amanitas because they're natural.

Most people around my age and younger who use methamphetamine didn't start on purpose, but when the counterfeit addies that last 18 hours are available AND they're cheaper than the redirected prescription ones that last 6 hours and feel shittier, I feel like market's already made its own decision in a way.

Yes the pressies definitely were a stepping stone for Gen Alpha, and the prescription amphetamine shortage a stepping stone for Gen Z.

Perhaps this is an observation of ignorance but obviously I can't share in Gen Alpha's view of their adult future and outlook on the world, but I felt this low hanging morbidity or like a "callousness" to a lot of the individuals I spoke to. They also skewed the most into self diagnosis as how they explain why they heavily used the substances they did. With MDMA there was 100% a lack of knowledge behind it, I think nobody who was using it with alarming frequency and dosage was aware of how serious it's neurotoxic effects are.

With meth, there was also a disconnect between my teenage and early adult perception of it during the so called "epidemic" peak in the late 90s early 00s. They didn't seem to really make hard categorizations of "hard drug soft drug", and most indicated they felt it was a little worse than Adderall/MDMA which they perceived as equally dangerous. The ones who did recognize the scope of meths damage potential, again the callousness came into play and there was a fascinating logic along the lines of like "you could die any day from anything". Whereas in my youth my understanding of meth without a doubt was a fear that was far over proportional to the drug in reality, and carried into a stigmatic expectation of "meth heads".

 

[Esperighanto]

Yes the pressies definitely were a stepping stone for Gen Alpha, and the prescription amphetamine shortage a stepping stone for Gen Z.

Perhaps this is an observation of ignorance but obviously I can't share in Gen Alpha's view of their adult future and outlook on the world, but I felt this low hanging morbidity or like a "callousness" to a lot of the individuals I spoke to. They also skewed the most into self diagnosis as how they explain why they heavily used the substances they did. With MDMA there was 100% a lack of knowledge behind it, I think nobody who was using it with alarming frequency and dosage was aware of how serious it's neurotoxic effects are.

With meth, there was also a disconnect between my teenage and early adult perception of it during the so called "epidemic" peak in the late 90s early 00s. They didn't seem to really make hard categorizations of "hard drug soft drug", and most indicated they felt it was a little worse than Adderall/MDMA which they perceived as equally dangerous. The ones who did recognize the scope of meths damage potential, again the callousness came into play and there was a fascinating logic along the lines of like "you could die any day from anything". Whereas in my youth my understanding of meth without a doubt was a fear that was far over proportional to the drug in reality, and carried into a stigmatic expectation of "meth heads".

I definitely agree that doomerism contributes to reckless drug use, when I was a terminally ill teenager I'd often test batches of drugs my homies (who were trafficking these things) acquired since if I overdosed, I didn't give a fuck, I was already terminally ill.

The hard drug/soft drug distinction has definitely seemingly vanished, what horrifies me is that most people are too lazy to meaningfully work with drugs. Children are prone to thinking their eyeballs are more accurate than a scale, and I've seen it take young lives before and it fucking sucks dude.

An odd thing about psilocybin containing mushrooms with young people too is that they almost never weigh them, but instead will say things like "on a trip where I'd eaten three caps and five stems I had x, y and z effects" as if that's an even remotely meaningful way to measure mushrooms.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

It would be off topic for this thread in a way, but I'd love to hear about teenagers using cathinones if you're talking about the USA, I doubt any teenaged drug users I knew would've even consdiered it. When I lived in Florida from the end of the 2010s into covid-times, GHB and pyros/caths were popular but only among adults, GHB was usually produced and sold by high schoolers though. All the kids knew to avoid "hood molly", as the dealers called cathinones, and many avoided GHB viewing it as a drug for date rape and gay clubs. GHB's disinhibiting power and the way that even hearing about GHB can bring homophobia out of people has left many people severely beaten and unconscious behind night life establishments in Florida, it's odd how violent GHB can make people.

A 19 old girl i met lives next island, was sort of ex GHB/ GBL addict. In trouble with the state.
Sustituting Alcohol. So basickly still addicted. She told me G never went way, its still here and abundant.

But these are Dutch rural/ bible belt kids, that know there way on internet and the dark web.
19 years, so maybe 17 when she started.
Harm reduction is minimal here, the ones that be giving.
Totally lack knowledge, and/ or lost contact with the youth an reality ?

Healthcare is of no help, they don t even know Xyrem is GHB. So are unfit to help.
And healthcare don t care since its privatised. But it will get you under state care she told me.
Problems, being placed under custody. Taken from your own family home.
Scarey shit, the Ketamine and 3-MMC abuse i just catched up later on. Think about Bladder problems.

Though still strange when MDMA, Amphetamine and Coke are so available to choose 3-MMC.

 

[Methamphetanonymous]

Yeah it's the same kindof trend where people don't seem to value the reliability and depth that tools like platform search engines, archives, and Wikipedia articles can be

My wife is 24 to my 32, and she just somehow has never had to develop quality search engine commands and keyword choices; and that apparently is typical of not only a portion of Gen Z but essentially everyone in Gen Alpha according to my two middle school teacher friends who have aged like a President the last two years lol

I don't fuckin trust anonymous people's information without a quick verification of at least the concept or overview of what they are saying. I been lied to by anonymous randos pretty much every single day from the moment I logged into Runescape in 2007 lmao

Going into binge dosing MDMA for weeks or months without ever reading its Wikipedia page is insane to me. I just don't see how that can fall through the cracks.

And yes, if people are willing to purchase pipes and fancy lighters and stash boxes or whatever then throw an extra $10 into getting a milligram scale.

I mean if I hadn't have bought an oral syringe with a max volume of only and specifically 2mL when I bought that GBL I surely would have been comatose but probably dead. Probably straight up dead from trying to eyeball it into a glass with juice.

I was already uncomfortable with how insanely slim the margin between best possible effects and blackout/siezure before purchasing it, but what's life without a little risk in your adventure ig

But God damn. Hell nah. I should've based it out into GBH like I thought in the beginning... then at least I'd have some 'whoops' room

 

[Esperighanto]

An additional and seemingly relevant point to add to this thread is that GHB used to move in the form of saline, pressed tablets, or "dissolving tablets", for the purpose of administering to people to incapacitate them. Teachers are aging on fast forward right now, I'm glad others have noticed @Methamphetanonymous hahahahahaha.

There were bartenders who would work with the bouncers to incapacitate certain people chemically at specific establishments if they were being troublesome. Only as a last ditch effort, but I've seen the decision get made and executed before, it involves placing their keys in a timed safe once they're out, it has this pre-printed piece of paper from the bar owner, we took photos of their IDs and shit, kept track of whose keys were whose by photo of ID and all that. I think the term was "unwelcomed nuissance" but if the tabs stayed paid then they were welcome to come back, they would just be treated like shit essentially.

There was a lot of gang activity in the area that also controlled how certain things moved, but they really cared about "fentsticks" for some reason, like fentanyl prerolls which I've never really heard of since and as far as I could tell, they were not very popular or effective for whatever reason. Shit smelled like burnt popcorn and tbh whether it was or wasn't fent, it kept WDs away without making people nod off like zombies which was neat. I suspect that every hard lesson one learns when making PCP dippers was encountered when playing with fent dippers too, idk, but it's somewhat off topic for this thread, so my apologies. About four hours ago I went "these smoke shop 'nootropic gummies' ain't shit" then proceeded to eat the whole bag and now I'm on psilacetin or something similar, on top of today's already extant cocktail, despite having taken allylescaline last night (maybe not cross-tolerant?), but I promise I'm doing my best to remain on topic re: GHB.

I'm curious to ask, has anybody experienced a surge in violence in social scenes where GHB pops up? Often it'd lead to a lot of people being called homophobic slurs and the fights on GHB are like alcohol, they end when they're down a spirit tragically. Has anybody else encountered the weirdly-homophobic-association-of-GHB-with-gay-clubs causing (in Florida at least) ricans and dominicans to say some slurs and end up in rough shape? I saw a couple of bikers meet similar fates, getting bumrushed by like 10+ G'd out grown men and just brought to the ground, then the beach, then the ocean.

Edited to say that people G'd out fight like gorillas on fucking painkillers bro, it's fucked up, they can't feel pain and are trying to fracture skulls usually. I've witnessed drunkards on GHB get stabbed and not realize it for multiple full seconds somehow. A lot of this shit came from cultural baggage that could've been easily deprogrammed, but watching a rican get called a maricón and then stand up from his seat, without hesitation leaving three people unconscious because this queer rican is on meth and GHB and means business was comforting to see as a gay man at that bar, also on (likely) meth and GHB, just much less, plus some dank bud. The initial aggressors haad only been drinking kratom, the fools.

 

[Methamphetanonymous]

Oh hell yeah, I played 4-AcO-DMT roulette with a bag of "Lionsmane blend" gummies from the kratom plug (head shop). Didn't feel anything happening after 30 minutes eating half the bag so I chomped the rest in frustration afraid I missed the chance to get max blood concentration.

45 minutes later I was in a county fair hall of never ending mirrors and overwhelmed with this like, admittedly pleasant but NOT QUITE THERE edging-like shrooms trip. I told my wife I was having gorgeous colored halos in my vision and fractal geometric like sense of my thoughts and environment while also having the sensation of being JUST ABOUT to let off a good sneeze. It's been a minute since I've had a proper shrooms trip, but I feel that psilocybin metabolizes into psilocin much faster than 4-AcO-DMT does but maybe I'm misremembering the onset time of shrooms


None of the introspective and profound empathetic shifts in perspective that I love so much with proper mushrooms, but man that shit was wild and strong


Ended up going down a rabbithole of gathering incredibly cursed AI artwork trying to scare myself and get unsettled and shit hahaha. I'd do it again tbh, but I like shrooms better

I always say it's not a good trip unless I discover multiple new ways in which I'm an awful selfish person and cry about it before recognizing opportunities to be more fulfilled. I like my trips existentially uncomfortable. I want all my safety and understanding of my identity called into question mfer that's a good ass time

 

[Methamphetanonymous]

About four hours ago I went "these smoke shop 'nootropic gummies' ain't shit" then proceeded to eat the whole bag and now I'm on psilacetin or something similar, on top of today's already extant cocktail, despite having taken allylescaline last night (maybe not cross-tolerant?), but I promise I'm doing my best to remain on topic re: GHB

idk what all RCs the various brands use but the CDC hooked it up last summer when they snitched everyone out and published their lab test results and one of the smoke shops stocked a brand that dinged hot for 4-AcO-DMT so I'm glad mine wasn't a surprise psychadelic lol

Maybe the report includes your brand too it had several on there

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I'm curious to ask, has anybody experienced a surge in violence in social scenes where GHB pops up? Often it'd lead to a lot of people being called homophobic slurs and the fights on GHB are like alcohol, they end when they're down a spirit tragically. Has anybody else encountered the weirdly-homophobic-association-of-GHB-with-gay-clubs causing (in Florida at least) ricans and dominicans to say some slurs and end up in rough shape?

I am aware of GHB originating in the nightclub and rave scene and being associated with heightened sexual pleasure so I've always sort of considered it and MDMA/ecstasy gay adjacent. Didn't realize it had been granted "no homo" status by my lovely birthstate though

Methamphetamine has been a staple of gay culture since it's clandestine production if not since it was OTC. I found this so strange as amphetamines actually kill my sex drive and whatever "groove" I need to dance passibly well except MDMA/MDA which i feel like are literally a more well rounded and recreational meth. Like why take meth over MDMA for a night out with the boys? Shit it's even more notably gay in its subjective effects than meth. On that note GHB made no difference to my sex drive and honestly felt indistinguishable from going zero to shit faced in 45 minutes but with no negative bodily effects or hangover.

MDMA makes me want to quest for the pussy though, and mushrooms/LSD also make me want to fuck. Maybe my dopamine and serotonin accidentally got printed backwards at birth

 

[Esperighanto]

I was diagnosed with schizophrenia during that period of my life (now considered to have been misdiagnosed brain damage which I've since fully recovered from) and it led me to violently respond to homophobia pretty often. Upon me asking a friend of a friend if he wanted any GHB and he declined the "fag juice" the next thing I could recall was seeing his head ricochet off the corner of the bathtub as we were grappling and my hand was wrapped around his tiny little rat looking face.

Through mutual friends who were very stresed about the situation and the ~125 pound weight difference between the two of us, we ended up on good terms, he apologized, agreed to alter his use of language at least around me and the crew, and to come correct in the future, but he left in somewhat rough shape. When I reflect on the 25 years I've been alive, nothing induced more genuinely terrifying violence than amphetamine and GHB intersecting with homophobia it seems. GHB and amphetamine led to some MMA sparring with 4 oz gloves for people who would say things like "yo can you help me work on not getting arm barred", "hey can you help me train against more peripheral strikes I'm still learning to spot those", all those requests panned out just fine, but the moment certain triggers got hit (people implying they didn't believe in men's right to consent, homophobia, etc) it would turn into a much more serious situation due to GHB's disinhibiting qualities, I suspect and I would put people in much worse situations.

Edit: I was a 225-250lb power lifter who spent a lot of time training in predominantly grappling, but grew up in the world of "private security" for people who were traffickers of empathogens essentially. It's outside of the statute of limitations nowadays, and the majority of my former coworkers are now dead anyways so I feel comfortable talking about it. I was using (occasionally N-methyl)amphetamine orally and intranasally (usually alongside methylphenidate) to put myself in the right headspace to act as I needed to. The work obviously sucked but the bay area had an abnormal amount of neonazis willing to insert themselves into gay clubs thinking they were doing some sort of "cleaning up society" type work, when really they'd end up crippled beside a dumpster the next morning because a bunch of methed out bears would come across this fool with a "14 words" (the white supremacist phrase) tattoo and leave him there. When GHB and meth weren't in the scene of these clubs, these people were often asked to leave in a much more peaceful manner, and upon being shown the firearms of the numerous queer patrons, would not hesitate to vacate,

 

[Esperighanto]

idk what all RCs the various brands use but the CDC hooked it up last summer when they snitched everyone out and published their lab test results and one of the smoke shops stocked a brand that dinged hot for 4-AcO-DMT so I'm glad mine wasn't a surprise psychadelic lol

Maybe the report includes your brand too it had several on there

My apologies for the double response, I think it's fine to bring up the brand name as they're now gone, it was "enjoyable nootropic gummies", in a "lime-aide" flavor. They felt like psilacetin or something similar, but I can't quite tell. 4-AcO-DMT isn't even illegal to sell in my jurisdiction rn, nor is mescaline, LSA, cannabis (plus extracts all the way to white diamonds), altnoids, and by the wording of the law being "derived from plant structures" it's probably argubaly legal to sell allylescaline, miprocin, LSD, etc right now where I am. The reason that I bring this up in a GHB oriented thread is that whenever I bring up or describe GHB to these people, they always much prefer a supply of things like allylescaline, 2C-B, LSD, etc vs GHB, soma, benzos as they view them as healthier, better for personal growth and art, and they view them as leading them down better paths, which I agree with.

On the street in my current area (Northern New England) it's all zenes, ice with somewhat novel impurities, no fent, no xylazine left really kicking around thank fuck, but people in homeless camps will try to sell me shit like suboxone film, ritalin, spice, "mids" meth as opposed to good "ups" meth (they claim it's dried up and to mix it with ritalin if I want a better high). Last winter I was looking for GHB, soma or benzos on the street and a fuckton of people had pregabalin and cyclobenzaprine but not what I was looking for, but they would say shit like "those garbage dirty thirties, mix three with a flexeril or a pregab 6 (meaning 600mg of pregabalin) and I bet you'll get what you need". Not saying it here to attmept to echo harm reduction as much as to catalog what I hear on the street in these areas. It is only in these transient/homeless communities that I find people prefer things that are uppers and downers more than the more experientially diverse world of psychedelia, empathogenics and dissociatives it seems.

 

[Methamphetanonymous]

I was diagnosed with schizophrenia during that period of my life (now considered to have been misdiagnosed brain damage which I've since fully recovered from) and it led me to violently respond to homophobia pretty often. Upon me asking a friend of a friend if he wanted any GHB and he declined the "fag juice" the next thing I could recall was seeing his head ricochet off the corner of the bathtub as we were grappling and my hand was wrapped around his tiny little rat looking face.

Through mutual friends who were very stresed about the situation and the ~125 pound weight difference between the two of us, we ended up on good terms, he apologized, agreed to alter his use of language at least around me and the crew, and to come correct in the future, but he left in somewhat rough shape. When I reflect on the 25 years I've been alive, nothing induced more genuinely terrifying violence than amphetamine and GHB intersecting with homophobia it seems. GHB and amphetamine led to some MMA sparring with 4 oz gloves for people who would say things like "yo can you help me work on not getting arm barred", "hey can you help me train against more peripheral strikes I'm still learning to spot those", all those requests panned out just fine, but the moment certain triggers got hit (people implying they didn't believe in men's right to consent, homophobia, etc) it would turn into a much more serious situation due to GHB's disinhibiting qualities, I suspect and I would put people in much worse situations.

Edit: I was a 225-250lb power lifter who spent a lot of time training in predominantly grappling, but grew up in the world of "private security" for people who were traffickers of empathogens essentially. It's outside of the statute of limitations nowadays, and the majority of my former coworkers are now dead anyways so I feel comfortable talking about it. I was using (occasionally N-methyl)amphetamine orally and intranasally (usually alongside methylphenidate) to put myself in the right headspace to act as I needed to. The work obviously sucked but the bay area had an abnormal amount of neonazis willing to insert themselves into gay clubs thinking they were doing some sort of "cleaning up society" type work, when really they'd end up crippled beside a dumpster the next morning because a bunch of methed out bears would come across this fool with a "14 words" (the white supremacist phrase) tattoo and leave him there. When GHB and meth weren't in the scene of these clubs, these people were often asked to leave in a much more peaceful manner, and upon being shown the firearms of the numerous queer patrons, would not hesitate to vacate,

Yeah tbh I felt that though, after the honeymoon years with alcohol at university it turned on me and I came about as close to welcoming the use of physical violence as a tool in my toolkit as I ever want to realize I'm capable of

Right on the edge of blackout I would channel emotions and actions that at times probably led to a hotter and faster burning bridge than if I had just silently clocked em. It's the only drug that made me do things that I am not even capable of considering and made me feel emotions that were foreign to me the next day in the agony of the hangover, pulling out the phone to apologize to a friend I love and dont even understand why I was so mad and realizing... another one blocked me on all platforms. Forever. I kinda felt that space with GHB... but it took a lot if build up and self loathing after years of drinking to start turning alcohol into a garunteed rage machine.

I'm very glad I threw it all out. I had a moment of doubt after I did it, but have known every moment after that G ain't for me.

The gays need to to co-opt something serotonogenic that's two no gos for me and I don't think I will be seeing what poppers are about next

 

[Esperighanto]

The gays need to to co-opt something serotonogenic that's two no gos for me and I don't think I will be seeing what poppers are about next

As a gay man, imo we should orient our drug culture around 2C-B, cannabis, phenidates, scalines, , 4-substituted tryptamines, lysergamides, some of the gentler benzos, responsibly used dextroamphetamine and xanthines ofc.

Edit to note that I never had or noticed G aggression towards people I already knew, it made me and others WAY more likely to get physical with randos though.

 

[Methamphetanonymous]

My apologies for the double response, I think it's fine to bring up the brand name as they're now gone, it was "enjoyable nootropic gummies", in a "lime-aide" flavor. They felt like psilacetin or something similar, but I can't quite tell. 4-AcO-DMT isn't even illegal to sell in my jurisdiction rn, nor is mescaline, LSA, cannabis (plus extracts all the way to white diamonds), altnoids, and by the wording of the law being "derived from plant structures" it's probably argubaly legal to sell allylescaline, miprocin, LSD, etc right now where I am. The reason that I bring this up in a GHB oriented thread is that whenever I bring up or describe GHB to these people, they always much prefer a supply of things like allylescaline, 2C-B, LSD, etc vs GHB, soma, benzos as they view them as healthier, better for personal growth and art, and they view them as leading them down better paths, which I agree with.

On the street in my current area (Northern New England) it's all zenes, ice with somewhat novel impurities, no fent, no xylazine left really kicking around thank fuck, but people in homeless camps will try to sell me shit like suboxone film, ritalin, spice, "mids" meth as opposed to good "ups" meth (they claim it's dried up and to mix it with ritalin if I want a better high). Last winter I was looking for GHB, soma or benzos on the street and a fuckton of people had pregabalin and cyclobenzaprine but not what I was looking for, but they would say shit like "those garbage dirty thirties, mix three with a flexeril or a pregab 6 (meaning 600mg of pregabalin) and I bet you'll get what you need". Not saying it here to attmept to echo harm reduction as much as to catalog what I hear on the street in these areas. It is only in these transient/homeless communities that I find people prefer things that are uppers and downers more than the more experientially diverse world of psychedelia, empathogenics and dissociatives it seems.

Oh yeah, I avoid drugs whose pleasurable effects leans heavily into "erases anxiety at no cost". That's never a road to recreation for me, just for escaping

I'm not sure what the dealio is on LSA here, but I believe 4-AcO-DMT can be sold anywhere in the US if you pinky shake the DEA agent who delivers it and promise you won't put it in your body, it's just for decoration

 

[Methamphetanonymous]

As a gay man, imo we should orient our drug culture around 2C-B, cannabis, phenidates, scalines, , 4-substituted tryptamines, lysergamides, some of the gentler benzos, responsibly used dextroamphetamine and xanthines ofc.

Edit to note that I never had or noticed G aggression towards people I already knew, it made me and others WAY more likely to get physical with randos though.

Mephedrone and methcathinone are just sitting there, ripe for the taking

 

[emkee_reinvented]

An additional and seemingly relevant point to add to this thread is that GHB used to move in the form of saline, pressed tablets, or "dissolving tablets", for the purpose of administering to people to incapacitate them. Teachers are aging on fast forward right now, I'm glad others have noticed @Methamphetanonymous hahahahahaha.

There were bartenders who would work with the bouncers to incapacitate certain people chemically at specific establishments if they were being troublesome. Only as a last ditch effort, but I've seen the decision get made and executed before, it involves placing their keys in a timed safe once they're out, it has this pre-printed piece of paper from the bar owner, we took photos of their IDs and shit, kept track of whose keys were whose by photo of ID and all that. I think the term was "unwelcomed nuissance" but if the tabs stayed paid then they were welcome to come back, they would just be treated like shit essentially.

There was a lot of gang activity in the area that also controlled how certain things moved, but they really cared about "fentsticks" for some reason, like fentanyl prerolls which I've never really heard of since and as far as I could tell, they were not very popular or effective for whatever reason. Shit smelled like burnt popcorn and tbh whether it was or wasn't fent, it kept WDs away without making people nod off like zombies which was neat. I suspect that every hard lesson one learns when making PCP dippers was encountered when playing with fent dippers too, idk, but it's somewhat off topic for this thread, so my apologies. About four hours ago I went "these smoke shop 'nootropic gummies' ain't shit" then proceeded to eat the whole bag and now I'm on psilacetin or something similar, on top of today's already extant cocktail, despite having taken allylescaline last night (maybe not cross-tolerant?), but I promise I'm doing my best to remain on topic re: GHB.

I'm curious to ask, has anybody experienced a surge in violence in social scenes where GHB pops up? Often it'd lead to a lot of people being called homophobic slurs and the fights on GHB are like alcohol, they end when they're down a spirit tragically. Has anybody else encountered the weirdly-homophobic-association-of-GHB-with-gay-clubs causing (in Florida at least) ricans and dominicans to say some slurs and end up in rough shape? I saw a couple of bikers meet similar fates, getting bumrushed by like 10+ G'd out grown men and just brought to the ground, then the beach, then the ocean.

Edited to say that people G'd out fight like gorillas on fucking painkillers bro, it's fucked up, they can't feel pain and are trying to fracture skulls usually. I've witnessed drunkards on GHB get stabbed and not realize it for multiple full seconds somehow. A lot of this shit came from cultural baggage that could've been easily deprogrammed, but watching a rican get called a maricón and then stand up from his seat, without hesitation leaving three people unconscious because this queer rican is on meth and GHB and means business was comforting to see as a gay man at that bar, also on (likely) meth and GHB, just much less, plus some dank bud. The initial aggressors haad only been drinking kratom, the fools.

Serious, never heard that kinda stuff besides the date rape drug propaganda.
And Diddy s GHB laced baby-oil/ from Practor & Jonhnson [sounds like ex nazi s imo]

Alcohol and after that Methaqualone then Flunitrazepam.
Mongering, just watch carerful what you drink especially when female,
sadly to wright, a disgrace to man - hood. But it is as it is. Don t trust no one.

 

[Cult315]

Oh hell yeah, I played 4-AcO-DMT roulette with a bag of "Lionsmane blend" gummies from the kratom plug (head shop). Didn't feel anything happening after 30 minutes eating half the bag so I chomped the rest in frustration afraid I missed the chance to get max blood concentration.

45 minutes later I was in a county fair hall of never ending mirrors and overwhelmed with this like, admittedly pleasant but NOT QUITE THERE edging-like shrooms trip. I told my wife I was having gorgeous colored halos in my vision and fractal geometric like sense of my thoughts and environment while also having the sensation of being JUST ABOUT to let off a good sneeze. It's been a minute since I've had a proper shrooms trip, but I feel that psilocybin metabolizes into psilocin much faster than 4-AcO-DMT does but maybe I'm misremembering the onset time of shrooms


None of the introspective and profound empathetic shifts in perspective that I love so much with proper mushrooms, but man that shit was wild and strong


Ended up going down a rabbithole of gathering incredibly cursed AI artwork trying to scare myself and get unsettled and shit hahaha. I'd do it again tbh, but I like shrooms better

I always say it's not a good trip unless I discover multiple new ways in which I'm an awful selfish person and cry about it before recognizing opportunities to be more fulfilled. I like my trips existentially uncomfortable. I want all my safety and understanding of my identity called into question mfer that's a good ass time

I believe most of the “shroom bars” the headshop by me sold(they got busted a few months back and now the hot Indian girl won’t sell them anymore) were 4-aco-DMT but they weren’t always the same, despite the girls assurances they were all “real shrooms” lol. The first one I ever ate I was seeing floating orbs and triangles just hanging out in the doorway that at the time I was convinced were my dead relatives and friends. I also went on a loop where I’d go up to go outside and as soon as I got to the door I’d be back in the chair I was sitting in, it happened many times though I’m not sure on roughly how many it would be. It was in a pretty short time frame too and I was going out to smoke so I know I didn’t actually go out, smoke and come back in just to sit down and go back out to smoke again cause it would’ve taken way too long and the “loop” only happened for like 25-30 minutes.

The bars boasted 3.5g of Penis Envy shrooms, but I’ve never had a shroom trip do what those bars did the first couple times. I’ve done a LOT of heavy trips and honestly the first bar I ate, which I ate the whole thing, was stronger than even my strongest(10g) shroom trip. Visually and actual hallucination level stronger, anyway. They were actually really good but as you described were lacking the real feel of shrooms. The trip started out about the same as shrooms, to the point where I couldn’t distinguish it wasn’t shrooms at first until I started peaking and the effects became different than every trip I’d ever had. Much more pronounced visuals even on lower doses than on high dose shrooms, not meaning that there were more per se they were just physically easier to notice. Real shrooms have more subtle patterns and what I like to call ‘danglers’ or ‘hangers’, the visuals that are in your peripheral vision that are much more apparent in high doses that, at least to me, seem like there’s shit dangling from the ceiling until you turn to actually look at it lol.

The first bar, and quite a few after but not all, there was no subtly to it. The visuals were right there - like fuckin orbs and triangles just hanging out in the doorway like they owned the place. I guess it was a bit more subtle when coming up and on lower doses, but overall significantly more pronounced than psilocybin mushrooms.

Some of the bars though were hardly hallucinogenic at all and more speedy. I always started low with them even after becoming familiar with the dosage because I just didn’t trust them lol, and my skepticism paid off because the first speedy one I got kinda freaked me out as it was the last thing I was expecting from a “mushroom” bar. At first I thought they were just throwing meth into chocolate, but after slowly upping the number of pieces I’d ate it definitely did have a psychedelic edge to it. My best guess is some RC psychedelic amphetamine or cathinone or whatever, I really don’t have any knowledge on RCs. I learned very quickly to keep doses low with the speedy ones, as eating a whole one the one time I did it gave me pretty severe tachycardia and scared the shit out of me. I’ve been a stimulant user for most of my life and the only time I’ve ever felt my heart beating like that was after months of heavy coke use and drinking, and it was bad enough to send me to the ER. I rode it out and hoped it wouldn’t persist after I’d come down, and it didn’t, but yeah no whole bars of the speedy RC bars lol. With just a few pieces I had a little peripheral visuals and was amped up enough to wanna play COD or clean, so it was kinda nice when I didn’t have other options for uppers. But all in all it wasn’t what I was looking for, so unless none of the actual trippy bars were available I avoided those ones.

There was also one time where it was definitely a different chemical in one of them and I made sure to never buy that “flavor” again. When the bar kicked in I immediately started feeling like shit, kind of a pins and needles feeling in my body and not a good kind. Mild dysphoria came on and things started looking weird and not in a good way. Then my TV just went and poured itself out. Like the border around the screen just turned upward, and the picture on the TV just started “pouring” out onto the floor. I was on the phone with my friend at the time and I told her what happened and she was like fuckin wot. Not many more visuals after that and the ones that did happen weren’t good ones, and I honestly just felt like shit the whole time.